Anna's Self-Portrait for Sale

13081. A good post from Lucas..............

. A litte refresher course about O'Quinns point vs Perper and Stern.

Understand why Larry Birkhead is backpeddling. Larry Birkhead testified under oath that Stern brought the duffel bag and he also stated it in more than one media source.

O'Quinns argument is that the duffel bag is not accidental. Therefore, I am interested to see if O'Quinns team can subpeona Larry about what he said? O'Quinn also reminds them that giving someone prescriptions not in her name is ILLEGAL.
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GRACE: And so at this juncture, Dr. Perper, we still don`t know what was in that needle or who injected her.

PERPER: The last person who said that he saw her alive -- alive -- was Mr. Stern, Howard K. Stern. He denies that he gave her any medication. There`s no any other testimony indicating that his statement is not true.

Dr. Perper, again, thank you for being with us. This chloral hydrate, it was just mentioned that she drank it straight out of the bottle. That`s not the way I understood it. This is not really an overdose of chloral hydrate, is it?

PERPER: Well, she drank approximately one quarter of a glass, about two ounces, and what she was supposed to do is to drink only two tablespoons at the most.

GRACE: Oh, I see. I see. So would this constitute as an O.D. on chloral hydrate alone?

PERPER: It was theoretically sufficient alone, but in a person who has already experience with a drug, it might not be sufficient. And, therefore, the addition of the other therapeutic anti-depressant, anti- anxiety drugs caused definitely the death, due to combined intoxication.

GRACE: Dr. Perper, is it your understanding she was drinking that much of it straight out of the bottle?

PERPER: Well, not all the time, but at least on two occasions, this was reported to us that she did that.

GRACE: Out to Jennifer in Canada. Hi, Jennifer.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy. I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

CALLER: I just wanted to ask, I think you may have already touched on it, but I saw on an earlier news program that of the medication taken out of the hotel room, that some of the medication found in there did have Howard Stern`s name on them. And I was wondering if there was any truth to that?

GRACE: To you, David Caplan. I believe you broke that with "Star." Was it in his name? And let`s go through the time line leading up to Anna Nicole`s death.

CAPLAN: Yes

GRACE: Well, the timeline, I`m very interested -- I didn`t realize until I actually read the crime scene investigative reports that, when they looked at her, she was already blue, lying there in the bed. Was she already dead in the hotel room?

CAPLAN: Yes, she was.

GRACE: The time line, take us through the time line that Dr. Perper announced today. What happened during those three days leading up to her death, David?

CAPLAN: All right, so earlier, when Anna Nicole was boarding a plane from the Bahamas to Miami, and while she was on the plane, she began to feel uncomfortable. She felt the abscess in her left buttocks. It was getting more painful, it was growing. And that was caused, as we already ascertained, by the needle perforating the abscess.

By the time she got to the hotel in Hollywood, Florida, she had a 105- degree fever. Then, as we went through sort of Monday, you know, the temperature goes up. She refused to go to the hospital, and then she`s given antibiotic and an over-the-counter flu medication.

We go to Tuesday. She continues not to feel well. She`s sweating. And then, that evening, she takes chloral hydrate, but she makes it through the night to wake up on Wednesday. And she was also given a slew of other anti-anxiety pills, like soma, and valium, and Topamax.

So then we go to Wednesday. She wakes up after a good night`s sleep with chloral hydrate, and then she was able to eat, and she took chloral hydrate again and didn`t sleep well.

Then, the following day, this is when we have that her bodyguard and the wife, who was essentially a nurse to Anna Nicole, found her unresponsive, and this is in the morning, and that she was blue. And she was eventually pronounced dead at about ten to 3:00, 2:49.

GRACE: Nine different drugs coursing through her body, along with abscesses due to hypodermic injections. It all added up to cause of death.

Back to you, Andrea Macari. I just don`t understand how, with nine different drugs in your system, it can be accidental, duffle bags full of drugs at the hospital.

MACARI: Well, don`t forget people who use and abuse drugs create a network of family and friends

PERPER: Well, we know that there are three alternatives. There was either growth hormone or a medication which is called Topomax or vitamin B- 12 or an immunoglobulin. We don`t know which one of those.

GRACE: Doctor, when I was reading the investigative description of the hotel room, I notice that it mentioned emesis, which is basically vomit, to my understanding, in the bathroom sink. Now, if she were found dead or almost dead -- I believe the words were blue in the bed -- where would she have had time to go to the bathroom and throw up?

PERPER: Well, we know that she was able to move because she moved to the bathroom with the assistance of Mr. Stern. She moved by herself in the hallway. So she had this capability.

GRACE: Dr. Perper, take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LARRY BIRKHEAD, ANNA NICOLE`S FORMER BOYFRIEND: We had a couple clashes in the hospital room because she and Mr. Stern brought in a duffle bag, and when there wasn`t enough administered through the drips that she was on, they were taken out of the bag and taken on top of the drugs that they were giving at the hospital and thwarting the efforts by the hospital to get her off the medications.

GRACE: Joining us right now, John O`Quinn. He is a veteran trial lawyer, as well. He`s also Virgie Arthur`s attorney. Virgie, as you know, is Anna Nicole Smith`s mother. Mr. O`Quinn, thank you for being with us tonight. First of all, what is your reaction to the cause of death that Dr. Perper gave us today?

JOHN O`QUINN, ATTORNEY FOR VIRGIE ARTHUR: Well, Dr. Perper gave us one golden piece of evidence, Anna Nicole died because of a deadly mixture of drugs. The only question is how did those drugs get in her body. And I`ve heard this allegation that somehow she injected her left hip with her right hand. I can`t dig my wallet out of my left rear pocket with my right hand. This thing is bizarre and crazy.

GRACE: A deadly mixture of nine separate drugs coursing through the covergirl`s veins, along with an infection caused from hypodermic abscess in the buttocks, as well as gastroenteritis. It all joined together. And according to this crime report that I`ve read, she was found lying blue in the hotel bed -- blue -- by the time it was noticed. She was unresponsive.

GRACE: Chief medical examiner Dr. Joshua Perper giving cause of death on covergirl Anna Nicole Smith. Dr. Perper is with us tonight.

But first, very quickly to you, David Caplan. If you look at this crime scene investigation, we see that Stern leaves around 12:00 noon. And then at 12:30, the bodyguard`s wife finds her blue -- blue in the bed. An hour later, EMS comes.

DAVID CAPLAN, "START" MAGAZINE: Yes, it`s very suspect. I`m still not convinced the timeline that we`re even hearing today is completely solid because it leaves so many discrepancies. And you know, regardless, it seems like there was a huge amount of time that passed. Why didn`t anyone get the paramedics there quicker? It still remains a mystery.

GRACE: Sneaking meds into the hospital, incredible, in a duffle bag, so many meds required. What does it mean for somebody to stand by and keep feeding you narcotics, shooting you up with hypodermic needles that leave scars on the fronts of your legs, on your buttocks?

Joining me now, a panel of lawyers. Out of San Francisco, veteran trial lawyer Dan Horowitz. In New York, Ed Sapone. In Atlanta, Eleanor Dixon. Also with us by phone, Howard Stern`s attorney, Jim Neavitt. And with us, Virgie Arthur`s lawyer, John O`Quinn.

Back to you, Mr. O`Quinn. The thought of bringing in a duffle bag full of drugs while Smith was pregnant.

JOHN O`QUINN, ATTORNEY FOR VIRGIE ARTHUR: Oh, but we`re supposed to believe this was all accidental. Remember, all accidental? So Stern can walk away from a murder.

This is not accidental. That duffle bag is not an accident. It was brought in there on purpose. Extra drugs beyond what the hospital was giving was not an accident. It was done on purpose. And let somebody lay blue in a bed and not try to get any medical attention for them is not an accident.

GRACE: And Dr. Perper, the times in these crime scene investigations from your office is based on interviews with the various witnesses, right?

GRACE: Mr. O`Quinn, is your client, Virgie Arthur -- that`s Anna Nicole`s mother -- considering a civil suit?

O`QUINN: You know, Carroll O`Connor, who played Archie on the television, he`d lost his sons to an overdose, the initial Perper-type report was it was all accidental, but the man who furnished the drugs ultimately went to prison for manslaughter. This is not over, folks.

GRACE: Wasn`t that an illegal drug, though?

O`QUINN: Well, to give drugs -- to get four prescriptions for the same drug is illegal, and that`s what they did.

GRACE: You know, it is very interesting -- back to the lawyers, to you, Eleanor Dixon. Apparently -- let me ask David Caplan -- weren`t some of these drugs in the name much Howard stern?

DAVID CAPLAN, "STAR" MAGAZINE: Yes, absolutely. The prescriptions were also in Howard`s name. We`ve known this from the early days of the case, so really our perception of him shouldn`t have changed much, even given today`s autopsy results.

O`QUINN: That`s illegal.

GRACE: And to you, Eleanor, is there any responsibility when the drugs are prescribed in somebody else`s name?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Well, I think there is. You have a duty not to just hand over the drugs to anybody, especially if the person has a known problem to drugs, as Anna Nicole Smith clearly did. You saw that from the video. So there is some duty there, especially as a lawyer.

Posted at 5:10PM on Jul 5th 2007 by The REAL Just My Opinion

13082. Hi "Friends"-
I am reading all of your thoughts, declining to post regularly until I have something to add.

Mainstream America sees Anna as a "lost cause" and is willing to simply accept "O.D."
as an explanation for her's & Daniel's deaths. The majority would be shocked if they knew all of the detailed "coincidences" surrounding these deaths... IMO MORE has gone down than simply the accidental death of yet another Blonde Bimbo!

PLEASE do keep me updated via email WHEN the (private) *GOODS* are available... TY.

Posted at 5:29PM on Jul 5th 2007 by PWF

13083. Believe that Greta may be interviewing Taz tonight on her show

Posted at 5:38PM on Jul 5th 2007 by Concerned Citizen

13084. You better do some research. FOrd Shelly stated on NATIONAL TV that his brother-in-law brought the pants to Howard once the were released by the police.
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I just went through the transcripts and no where does Shelly say that.

Post a link if that is true. I don't believe a word of it !!

Posted at 5:42PM on Jul 5th 2007 by The REAL Just My Opinion

13085. PWF

That's not fair! Some of us do not do personal e-mails. I want to hear YOU! (lol). Now is the time to review . Hindsight is 20/20 or something like that.....! Sometimes an old article does have a new perspective with all that has transpired.

Posted at 5:52PM on Jul 5th 2007 by amanda m

13086. 1552. Good Morning Alll U Regulars and All U Others Out There In Larryland,

Hope everyone had a "wonderful" and safe 4th of July 2007 Holiday. My husband and I really enjoyed in festivities in Washington D C. It is such a magical place to be on 4th of July.

Took a "little" time to read through some of the posts. WOW~~~What's going on? Sorry, there are so many "intruders"/"trolls" or whatevers!

Maybe it's time all "the regulars" just took a "little time" to reflect and re-group!

I have been reading a fantastic book, "The Secret". What a powerful book?
If you haven't read it, please do so. It is a remarkable tool on how to deal with life. Just happen to be in Cosco and brought mine there. You can actually save a lot of money on the book buying it at Cosco. It's available at all major bookstores and the Internet, of course!

QUESTION for the Regulars: I really DO NOT know the background of the events going on here causing all the chaos however, I want to know:

AM I STILL WELCOMED HERE? As you recall, I have been "in and out" since "INSIDE THE FUNERAL". I trust I have done nothing to offend any of you. If I have, please forgive me. I have indicated before I have a VERY BUSY lifestyle (live three different places) and to quite honest because I believe in honesty: if there is nothing of interest or exciting going on in the Anna Nicole Smith Saga I stay way for awhile. Then, out-of-the-blue something interesting happens to re-kindle my interest. So, I am always with you in spirit.

You have my "total support" embraced in love! IF I can ever do anything to help any of you "regulars", please let me know.

Anne (Mouth)

Posted at 10:59AM on Jul 5th 2007 by Mouth from the South

Posted at 6:44PM on Jul 5th 2007 by cleo

13087. Hi Amanda & Cleo-- ... and U R 2 of the most knowledgeable and fair "Friends" that exsist within these "walls."

Anne- Hey Girl! "Friends" are always welcome...

I am counting on the fact that the *higher powers* that be will hold all of the little, yet "informed", witnesses' feet to the flame...

Catch you (late) tonight!...

Posted at 6:58PM on Jul 5th 2007 by PWF

13088. 13072. Hi Cleo

I think that RJMO may have been right when he said OP was acting. you are right when you say that OP tried to say that Daniel was asleep in the bed the pills were found in, when nurses have said otherwise. The only way to "connect" Daniel to the pills in the bed, was to "stage" a pill finding scene to be witnessed by Shelly. They found the PI's card in Daniels shirt, I believe it was said. So police kept hisshirt, but not his pants? Nice try OP. That bothers me too, card in Daniels shirt. Why would it not have been in his wallet for safe keeping, why his shirt, unless, he had shown the card to someone. Anna maybe. If he was affraid of OP, would he have taken the chance of showing him the card? Or did he show him the card to prove a point, to try and rattle OP?

Posted at 12:35PM on Jul 5th 2007 by Gtobrat



I have always wondered if that is exactly why Daniel took the card with him to the Bahamas...maybe he showed it to Stern on the way to the hospital.....or told Anna of his plan once he got there. Maybe he was warning them that it was time to "shape up" That would not make Stern happy, I wouldn't think. I believe Stern's life was about to be VERY different....Anna having a child with another man and Daniel becoming an adult.

Posted at 7:06PM on Jul 5th 2007 by Dink

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Posted at 7:05PM on Jul 5th 2007 by passing thru

13090. 13037. well well well.....
Windi, was nice of you to send my sincere email to you all around and to be discussing me. Also nice that supposed friends can't tell you about it when it is happening.
*** NOthing worse than a falling out of friends unless it is a falling out of thieves.

Just as I thought all along since the funeral thread...a group within a group. My guess about the trouble makes on this thread is most likely to be correct also as is that the problems, disruption and name calling are internal. What a thing to come home from work and read previous pages...It's almost like being married and comming home to a bunch of crap.
*** A group within a group where no one has REALLY met anyone. Kind of asking a blind date to care for you. That is foolish. What is worse, your little clique has turned away others. Your little clique has been rude and insulting because of your little pettiness. Your little group is a little group within a very big pond.Made your made; lie in it. For the lie is what you, too, have perpetuated, Kushy.


Elizabeth Howe was accused during the witch trials in Salem Mass.... verrrry interesting.
**** VERY GOOD! You got her red handed! Windi is by ... AND Ashley! Was she Bimbo as well? Keep in mind, NO ONE has seen the Bimbo email not any part including the return on it....

So sad that there are so many dishonest trouble making people online.....it is what it is I guess...nothing I can do to change it.
*** Why waste your time? You giggled when others lied and now, when it is full circle, you get upset. Too bad. Live your live the way you want others to treat you.

Posted at 8:49PM on Jul 4th 2007 by Kushy

Posted at 7:28PM on Jul 5th 2007 by passing thru

13091. 13035. Alex KATZ.

Goen: What is his LAST name? Any part Katz? Look to hs relatives, Windi...

Posted at 7:30PM on Jul 5th 2007 by passing thru

13092. passing thru,

Thanks for the tip for copy and paste on this BLUE site!

Posted at 7:41PM on Jul 5th 2007 by amanda m

13093. Good evening,

Our guests just left, and I can give more attention to this discussion. I haven't looked to see if any of the other posts I made earlier this morning are still there or not.

Anne, you are welcome and in fact everyone who wants to talk about the case, who is interested in justice for ANS and Daniel, is welcome. I ignore trolls and trouble makers and suggest everyone else just scroll past their posts. There is nothing to be gained in trying to reason with the unreasonable or an unsupervised 13 year old.

I think Daniel could very well have been upfront with Stern on the way to the hospital. I can't imagine him saying, "I'm talking to a PI about investigating you," but I bet he would have that card so he could talk about Harding to his mom the first time they were alone.

I wonder what conversation they had when Stern went to get food? What was said when he came back?

I really think that someone like Goen or Gibson must have been in that room, the unnamed 3rd (or 4th) party.

For the government and police of the Bahamas to turn on its back like a dog for Stern must mean someone of importance was involved. Someone had to be protected at all costs even if it meant perverting the natural course of justice.

LegalEagle

Posted at 7:43PM on Jul 5th 2007 by LegalEagle

13094. Good Evening Cleo and all the Regulars,

Thanks, Cleo, for transferring my post with "cut" and "paste"! That was truly "sweet" of you.

Where can one read the information about John O'Quinn responding the Howard K Stern's lawyer, Lin Woods, regarding the lawsuit filed against him?

Is there ANYTHING pertinent in the Anna Nicole Smith/Daniel W. Smith Saga except Larry Birkhead showing off his "cash cow" in the media?

When is the Inquest into Daniel's death going to start in the Bahamas? Somebody made comment that it is very strange NONE of Daniel's friends have come forward to talk about him incuding the girlfriend who ended the relationship. Makes you really wonder, doesn't it? There MUST be some friends or acquaintances willing to come forward to be a witness on Daniel's behalf.

And, Virgie Arthur, not a "peep" from her camp. I am sure she has been told to keep "quiet" to avoid the media from "spinning" every direction they possibly can. I think it is good for Virgie to remain "quiet" then Stern/Birkhead camps will be in the dark about her lawyer's strategy.

Posted at 7:47PM on Jul 5th 2007 by Mouth from the South

13095. amanda,

why "blue"?

Posted at 7:46PM on Jul 5th 2007 by passing thru