BBC and Scientology Take Their Tiff Online

61. TMZ ..you owe the BBC and John sweeney an apology for putting up that doctored video on here

Anyone who wants to know the truth watch this:
Watch the Panorama program on scientology…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/default.stm

Scientology made a mistake

1: In assuming that the general public have lost thier critical thinking skill like the special cases in that cult and that we cannot ell a doctored tape with mangled up timing...and fancy video games ahahhahah


2::in that they are not familiar with the honesty of BBC reporting...they showed everything. I think Davis assumed BBC will stoop as low as them and not show the true events including the shouting......Scientology jsut proved how demented and what a lying CULT they are

SCIENTOLOGY IS A CULT AND THEY HAVE EMBARRASSED THEMSELVES WIHTOUT SWEENEY HAVING TO DO SO..NOW I AM GOING TO SEND THIS LINK TO PANORAMA TO GIVE THEM A GOOD LAUGH

Posted at 9:11AM on May 16th 2007 by Miapocca

62. Yep, Sweeney lost it, and looked like an idiot for a few moments...then I watched all the
videos regarding what happened, and I think Tom Davis is a real flaming idiot!!!
I think this Scientology is evil, especially after what happened to Lisa McPherson...and
there were a few more deaths...they don't want to share with the outside world, they have
more to hide than to share...NO SPIRITUALITY! How sad. A way of life without
practicing spiritual principles is no way to live!

Posted at 9:12AM on May 16th 2007 by Me Again

63. I dont think any secretive organizations deserve to have tax exempt status!!! Who did they blackmail in the US senate or who are the political fools they ,manipulated to get their status in tHE USA\


These elected reperesentive just increased harm to their contituents..I will be looking them up and broadcasting on them loud and clear, hopefully they wont he holding any public offices again

Posted at 9:19AM on May 16th 2007 by Miapocca

64. I know little of this Scientology, but I do know what I deduce from watching that BBC video.

I found that Tommy Davis fellow to be ill mannered, hostile, offensively bullying and aggressive, purposely stepping into Sweeney's space as a form of intimidation. Last time I witnessed anything that looked or sounded like this was on the playground in junior high. Why would I listen to any pitch from someone who acts so completely uncivilized as a reaction to a ligitimate question or two? If they are not a cult, I would hope instead to expect some intelligent, fact-based, convincing and academic reply in response; not seemingly paranoic bullying, so therefore am immediately not convinced of any ligitimacy regarding this Scientology. Their over-the-top non-response to the word cult seems coached; I suspect (and I am a person with NO AGENDA, apart from thinking for myself) that this almost trained and embarrassing blatantly hostile response to the word 'cult' (rather than rational academic defence) might therefore be because cults are not given tax exempt status by goverments, and 'religions' are, and there are dollars to protect. Otherwise, why will they not come up with an intelligent, academic idea based response to convincingly counter the word 'cult'? Perhaps there is none? People would want to hear it. Such as, 'this is what we are', and then expound accordingly? There is no excuse to get in someone's face like that, seemingly all-secretive & threatened over a mere word/idea. The word 'cult' is argued and defined calmly and rationally in friendly tones at schools of academic learning all over the world, and you use intelligent, rational ideas to counter, not anger, hostility, and stalking of a news journalist by multi-vehicles. That's not cool, and so more people will question now. Plus Tom Davis was overloudly-accusatory, incorrectly but I believe purposely claiming John Sweeney was John Lonsdale's 'friend', when he wasn't; this was just another interview for BBC reporter Sweeney. His past aside, at least this Lonsdale fellow spoke openly, allowing us to decide for ourselves whether anything he said held any merit regarding what he had encountered in his quest for information from this group; even as he sat across from the cult street sign, and also while he had the guts to show the defamatory posters depicting and defaming him that they posted all over town. You know, character assassination such as these wall posters as opposed to proper argument is the bastion of the cowardly and the weak minded, and in and of itself tells me a lot about the posters.

This scary, stalking and hostile reaction to a few simple questions means I'll never be looking into Scientology for myself. "Fair game' as they termed it, although supposedly no longer done, looked to be obviously & creepily prevelant in this BBC video. It appeared to be some sort of misguided,carefully designed and vengeful vigilante tactics aimed directly at this BBC reporter who was simply trying to do his job. He was unable to get any objective and real information from Scientology apart from some 'I like it' testimonials from celebrities who later pulled their endorsements under (why?) pressure from higher ups. I saw no intent to create a slanted report on his part; rather, I saw that Scientology had every opportunity to present who and what they represented, but they didn't take it, and actually came off rather badly. Had Scientology presented themselves and their ideas well and in a proper manner, they might have been on their way to a tax exempt status in England, along with more followers. Heck, people WANT to believe. Scientology offered up NOTHING to believe here.

Posted at 11:24AM on May 16th 2007 by VerdictIsOutYet

65. Also, Scientology , rather than Sweeney, seemed to be guilty of trying to slant the report by it's arbitrary disallowal of the word 'cult'. If it isn't, then just prove it.

Posted at 11:37AM on May 16th 2007 by VerdictIsOutYet

66. I'm amazed at their attempts at stonewalling of the BBC Investigative reporter. He would be difficult to discredit, after researching him.

This BBC journalist is no unobjective hack. He has won numerous prizes for Human Rights work from the Royal Television Society and Amnesty International and was made the What The Papers Say Journalist of the Year. His report for Radio 4's flagship investigative programme, File on 4 on the case of Sally Clark won a Sony Gold for best radio programme.

Sally Clark, Angela Cannings and Donna Anthony were all helped in their campaigns to be cleared by John Sweeney's investigation into the wrongly jailed cot death mothers.

The judges awarding him the inaugural Paul Foot Award for Campaigning Journalism praised his "battle against apparently insuperable odds and finally the exposure of shocking incompetence and shortcomings in three establishment professions - police, medicine and the law".

Posted at 12:22PM on May 16th 2007 by EqualTime

67. VerdictIsOutYet

Once again another great post...however you will from now on have CLAM on your back for writing against scientology..they pop up at websites to antagonize you just like the schtick Davis did in the program.

If Cruise and Co watch this, I really dont know what explanation they give for the twisted you tube video they posted and the longer panorama version that appealed to the more sensible masses.

However their brainwash ensures that they dont question a single thing presented to them. There is another video on You tube with Miscaviage and you will note that they all talk and behave in the same manner courtesy of scientology communication classes.
Sweeney is not the first to attempt a program on scientology, others have done and I for one was sad that he lost his temper which was what the Schtick Davie was looking or to show to the world, he didnt realise that sweeney had no problems showing it to the world either.....In their manipulative schizoidal lives they often lose touch with reality and assume that the rest of humanity is just as lost as they are

I watch tom cruise yell out at Matt Lauer in horror, and I thought I was the only one who thought it was wierd at the time , till I watch the news that evening. This much are narrowly educated on the principles of mad hatter and its embarrasing to watch them on tv...see the ff interviews of Miscaviage the church leader..They interview rudely and never give the iterviewer the opportunity to pose valid question thus doing themselves more damage than they realise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUasKX3FZE
Its in parts 1 to 9

Isnt it scary how they all repeat the same thing over and over like kids learning nursury rhymes??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQCR02Unqhg

Pompous ass who can read suddenly knows the history of psychaitry, he should not even be piloting for the sake of mankind...

Posted at 1:08PM on May 16th 2007 by Miapocca

68. Thanks, Miapocca. Again.

I also note 'by ony me's comment about the so-called terrorist threat. The general public is much wiser to this kind of kind of spin; reminds me of the defamatory posters put up of Lonsdale, say no more...John Sweeney's credentials simply put him above suspician.

The thing is, people are always willing to listen to a good discussion on something that can be helpful. Only problem is, they seem not willing to discuss it. AT all. Unless we give them money.
Only people like to know what they're buying. So most will not study it. End of story.

If they have discovered some applicable, effective ways of helping people along the way, then they need new public relations. The alien thing,!? plus trying to remove themselves COMPLETELY from 'fair game' is probably a very good idea. There is always the possibility that Scientology has streamlined some effective teachings, but cloaked as it is simply makes it appear nut-jobby, when it might actually have some teachings to offer that might benefit. The CIA approach is just scary. Closeting people, particularly away from their families, is just scary. It would take a real leader within their ranks to turn it around and actually open it up to offer valid help to people. They could still make some money to boot.

Posted at 2:08PM on May 16th 2007 by VerdictIsOutYet

69. #67, I hate to inform you but accepting Jesus Christ in you life make you a follower of a cult. All religions are cults. "Cult: A system or community of religious worship and ritual." Sounds like every religion. So don't bring your Jesus Christ the savior crap up. There is no God. God is something you want to believe but in fact does not exist.

Posted at 3:34PM on May 16th 2007 by Jim Shoe

70. I don't want to defend Scientology (because I don't know much about it)
but doesn't its current leader (Mr. Miscarrage) have a Doctorate in Religion from Harvard ?

Posted at 6:09PM on May 16th 2007 by Tom Begood

71. #70 sorry to dissapoint but he higher ups are a bunch of high school drop outs...they dont believe harvard can teach them anything..

You can read about the Asthmatic Dwarf here :

http://www.sptimes.com/TampaBay/102598/scientologypart1.html

http://www.lermanet.com/exit/miscavige.htm

Posted at 6:29PM on May 16th 2007 by Miapocca

72. Did someone inquire about Jett Travolta a while back

I stumbled on a story..the comments are hilarious..my faves are

Posted by: Dr. Bob at May 11, 2007 01:16 AM

John Travolta does nothing to treat his son's autism because L.Ron Hubbard did not write an instruction book for it. The only thing that Hubbard suggests for people in this condition is his process called R2-45, which is essentially death by using a handgun. This is an actual Scientology process. Hubbard thinks that the person is better to 'end cycle' and come back again in a new body. That is Scientology compassion for you.

I think that this restaurant owner is pefectly entitled to be outraged at Travolta. Travolta is a man in a position of power who could do much to help his own son and the children of others. He chooses not to.
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Posted by: Travoltaisagoof at May 11, 2007 02:59 PM

Not only does Kelly Preston shill for scientology, she also advertises for Neutrogena skin cream. Neutrogena is owned by Johnson & Johnson. Johnson & Johnson owns Ortho McNeil Neurologics who produce "Haldol", and Janssen who produces "Risperdal" and "concerta".
These drugs are used in the treatment of ADD & Postpartum Depression.
I have met John Travolta and also got a glimpse of Jett, who at the age of 13, was sitting in front of the T.V. watching Barney. Jett is morbidly obese and gets very little exercise.
Jett is confined to the hotel room with his nannies, while daddy goes to the spa to hit on the male therapists.
Scientology will never help Jett, as he is considered a "degraded being" according to their tenants.

http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/archives/travolta_family_travesty_wild_hogs_star_gives_own_autistic_son_the_silent_treatment.phtml

Posted at 11:51PM on May 16th 2007 by Miapocca

73. If you've seen the documentary you will understand why Sweeney lost his temper-and why many others would in the same situation.Scientology harrassed him because they only wanted ONE side of their cult to be shown-the glossy,happy celebrity face of Scientology and it's 'human rights' work.Unfortunately for them,people in the real world are interested in the truth,which includes what ex-scientologists and cult experts have to say.Scientology wanted TOTAL control-in the same way it has total control of it's members.Their retaliations are unconvincing,and the public already knows they are a dangerous cult.

Posted at 6:37AM on May 17th 2007 by andy

74. You ougto know

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I see some of my former friends from the Church using their time-honored persecution technique claiming that everyone is out to get them and the church.

Those who are wondering if there is an active effort to post comments and spread links favorable to the church, why of course there is. As an ex-member, I used to be involved in just such activity. It's not as if members are sitting in a room typing comments all day long at some church somewhere. Instead, action alerts are sent out in e-mail and on private websites with links to suspect websites and articles like this one, and members are encouraged to visit and file Knowledge Reports detailing the negative comments, including any identifying information about who made them, and also attaching their responses. This information is then stored in electronic databases for future reference and tracking purposes.

It is also incorrect to say that new members are not exposed to tech straight away upon entry into the organization. From the earliest moments of involvement in the church, tech is taught. I've included a link which shows exactly what early members are exposed to which will be absolutely familiar to anyone, right down to OT-0.

I left the Church in 2001 after I was pressured to disconnect my family. A close friend of mine who left a year earlier was deemed an SP (the church's blacklist) and his life was made a living hell. I quit when I started doing research on the Internet and started getting answers to questions I had been putting in the back of my mind. The Lisa McPherson Trust helped me tremendously.

The media and the Internet are incredibly dangerous for the Church because they let members privately explore their own doubts and questions outside of the control of the Church. An incredible amount of time and money is spent on restricting this information because it threatens the viability of the entire organization, should enough people follow my footsteps.

I don't blame my friends still in the Church for their beliefs. You don't know just how effective group persuasion and tech methods can be. For those outside of the Church, the cause for skepticism is as plain as day, but for those within, attacking them for their beliefs threatens their self-worth, and people will try to defend that for a long time.

Sc!entol0gy attacks psychiatry, which is ironic, because so many of their techniques of manipulation were tested and found effective by that same field!

But for critics of the church, please don't attack Sc!entologist followers for their beliefs -- help show them there is a way out to a world that waits to welcome them back with open and accepting arms. That is what ultimately worked for me and I could not be happier. You cannot lead someone away from Sc!entology through name-calling.

Posted by: Ex-Member | May 17, 2007 01:21 PM

Posted at 1:42PM on May 17th 2007 by Miapocca

75. Clam alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ahahhahahahha

Posted at 6:02PM on May 17th 2007 by Miapocca