Son of Lassie's Trainer: Give the Dog Back!

136. #130 ME

Let me try this *again* I said I have tried to tell you my experience in the dog world over the past couple of days. I had *read the info the other day HERE ON this WEB SITE the very one that you are commenting on. When I read this info it wasn't from another poster but in an *article by TMZ!

spaying & neutering I am speaking of *RESCUES* not a puppy that is placed by a breeder which while they/WE can be just as if not more stringent is a different kettle of fish. A *RESCUE* does not EVER NEVER let go of a dog that is NOT nuetered! EVER if you were REALLY involved in rescues you would know this!!!!!!!! And it wouldn't matter if it WAS Cerio the dog trainer! He would not get a dog that is intact! And puppies that are too young since you were on the "puppies are some times too young" theme here I'll tell you that in *RESCUE* they would HOLD a puppy until it IS of AGE & nueter it first! Rescues (the REAL one) do *EVALUATIONS* of their dogs & THEN they go & they inspect the HOUSE too & make a determination if the dog is suitable for the house & vise versa! They didn't do that with this dog or they would have known that it wouldn't have gotten along with the CATS & they would not have placed the dog there. And speaking ofhaving placed the dog there they in fact didn't go to the house but as it was reported in one of the many articles about this story Ellen & her girlfriend found a puppy on pet finder that belonged to this rescue group & so they (& I quote) "ran down to the pet boutique to get it" UNHEARD of in rescue! They would NEVER release a dog without an application no matter WHO it is! Anyway when they got to the "pet boutique" (pet shop) they ended up bringing home another dog. "That dog did not get along with the cats & so they returned it and that's when they brought home Iggy" I believe this was said by Ellen's publicist & she would have no way of realizing the implications of what she is saying when it comes to rescuing & placing dogs but US DOG PEOPLE do. Ellen & her girlfriend brought a dog back because it didn't get on with the cats & so that was the FIRST dog they hadn't evaluated that they sent over there. When that dog didn't work & they were told why they sent over ANOTHER dog that was going to have a problem with cats & they did that because they didn't know anything about the dog because they are NOT A REAL RESCUE! A real rescue would not ever conduct a adoption that way not EVER.

and I'm sure you'll be explaining it away with "you're making it up" & so would you like me to find you the links to the sources? here is the first link with the CEO of the ASPCA backing up *Ellen* http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/Entertainment/Detail?contentId=4668093&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=7.1.

you gonna tell them "you don't know the breed or the dog" too? Apparently the rescue didn't know the dog EITHER! now here is the link to a *real rescue* http://www.grcglarescue.org/RP_Adoptable.asp?cid=All

take knote of all the dogs & is it different breed than Iggy? yes they are but that doesn't matter because the point of pointing them out is that when you click on each name you'll see a complete *detailed description of the dog & the things that have been observed & evaluated by the rescue & foster home & what they can & cannot handle & what kind of home is going to be correct for the dog! That's a REAL rescue! Oh & take note that they go on an *individual dog basis* as to the AGE LIMIT of a kid & when they say "young child they'r talking about a 4 year old. Yes Iggy was a different breed but since Mutts & Moms is an *ALL BREED RESCUE I would think that the age of 14 yrs. old is a bit old of a age cut off don't you? And now for the best piece from the Golden rescue group I've referred take note on this page for the "info on adoption" the price lists for different things. http://www.grcglarescue.org/RP_WebDoc.asp?ttid=38 you'll also find on this page it says
"All dogs are spayed or neutered, vaccinated, microchipped and vet-checked prior to adoption." THAT is a REAL rescue & from this VERY same area as the Mutts & Moms PET SHOP!


On top of this in another article today the Marina was quoted giving a *completely different reason* for why they would not allow the dog to go to the house "we had not done a inspection on that home" you can read that here! http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212109792.shtml & so which is it the age or the inability to do an inspection which they didn't do in Ellen's house? I mean if they had they would have *KNOWN of the problem with the cats right? Especially since they *knew the dog* right? Those people at the Golden group seem to know & when they don't know? They rule OUT cats! And then in the most recent interview on "entertainment tonight" I *HEARD Marine when asked if she would allow the dog to go back to the family say "Not after the way I was treated". & so suddenly it's not an age issue any more but the way people treated her that didn't even know the family OR Ellen! Now it's all pride? Seems what ever is the PC reasonof the moment this Marina is going to use to the point of at one point trying to make herself cry on TV!!!!!!

now I'll say once again the idea that you refer to yourself as "me" here tends to make one think you're saying "it's me the rescuer" & would be reason why you would be defending a UNSCRUPULOUSE group of people!

Posted at 11:28PM on Oct 18th 2007 by moms2cool

137. #122 Corin Applause!!!!!! to someone from a *REAL* rescue! who's doing it for the *correct* reasons! You & others ARE out there & are *invaluable* and I think this is what is the *saddest* part of this whole thing is that this incident is going to marr an entire movement to do some thing good & right by those that are in reality not even the *real thing*!

i literally heard a dog owner or in "Mutts & Moms' case a dog "leaser" say that she'd adopted a dog from this group & yes like Ellen's girlfriend she'd signed & she did hear & understand but she didn't realize they would watch her so close that when she went on vacation *that Marina went to the house of her friend who was dog sitting while she was away & TOOK the dog out of the house & back to rescue! I'm sorry I understand wanting to protect dogs & I'd be the 1st one to step in seeing abuse or some infraction on a dog or kid but to adopt a dog out is to let it go to a new mom. If they cannot allow this new person to make decisions at all then they shouldn't be adopting to them period. Anyway these stories are going to REALLY scar people & turn them off to adoption & so I think the REAL groups need to step up & start showing the real restrictions & the reasons for them. You know what I mean? The restrictions that are set up to make the adoption *a success* & so that there is no "need to return the dog" .

Here is a group I consider to be not only the REAL thing like you but going 1 dog at a time 7 basing their decision on each dog including the age limit thing. :)
And if for no other reason to see a "priceless pictures* of 2 golden kids going to their web site is worth it. :) and I'd like to reprint a portion of their "information on adoption page.

"All dogs are spayed or neutered, vaccinated, microchipped and vet-checked prior to adoption.

GRCGLA Rescue adopts within Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino and Ventura Counties.

GRCGLA Rescue, Inc. reserves the right to deny any application. Please be aware that the adoption process is NOT on a first come, first serve basis. Our sole purpose is to find the best possible homes for our rescued Goldens. All applicants are subject to an approval process.

Once your application is received, a volunteer in your area will be in touch by email or phone to set up a home visit. In most areas, this process can take 7-10 days, so your patience is appreciated. Once your home visit is completed, you will be eligible to adopt a dog that is well-matched to your home and family.

You may want to watch the Adoption Event schedule listed on the home page of our website. The events provide an opportunity to meet some of our available dogs and to get to know some of our volunteers.



PLACEMENT POLICY FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN

Dogs who come from a shelter OR directly from a family without a good positive history with kids under age 7 may NOT be placed in a home with kids under age 7 unless they’ve been fostered in a



home with reasonable exposure to small kids. “Reasonable exposure” is not a casual meeting at a park or pet store, but rather real living exposure in the dog’s living space. By “fostered”, we mean placed with one of our experienced volunteer foster homes who either have kids in residence or those who visit regularly. We will NOT place an ‘unproven’ dog in an adopter’s home to see how s/he will do with kids.

If the shelter dog has been fostered with kids down to age 4, then that dog may be considered a candidate for homes with kids down to age 4, but not toddlers or infants. From the dogs’ perspective, there is a huge difference between an infant, a toddler, a 4-year-old, a 7-year-old and an adult human, and there is NO reliable test to determine if a dog with unknown history will be safe with humans in these various age categories. The ONLY cut-off age in our rescue’s policy is age 7.


Thank you for caring to adopt! We look forward to helping you find a new companion and wish you the best of luck!


To begin the adoption process, please fill out an APPLICATION."


http://www.grcglarescue.org/RP_WebDoc.asp?ttid=38
These are the information guidelines of a *real* reasonable & responsible rescue and the kind everyone should have the pleasure of dealing with and the kind that should be known nationally. not the pet shops that masqureade (sp?) as a rescue.

Posted at 12:36AM on Oct 19th 2007 by moms2cool

138. Oh & ME since you're questioning *my knowledge* of dogs & trying to belittle again with the *SNIDE* comments let me say it's YOU who lacks in knowledge! and I'll start by pointing out right here - you said "all responsible breeders (and a few not so responsible, back yard breekers) place dogs in "forever homes" but things can go wrong & then they step up to the plate reguardless of the reason'.

easy to see how you're unable to recognize a Pet shop pretending to be a rescue! You seem to have trouble with understanding the difference between responsible & irresponsible & those "few irresponsible breeders as a rule place dogs in "forever homes" &/or step up to the plate WHEN they don't work out! *Irresponsible* means they don't do those things they are *irresponsible*. They don't even know WHERE their dogs are! Those are ones being cleaned up in rescue & those are the ones that go out with out any contract requiring spaying /nuetering! Those are the ones that (like this pretend organization) does NOT SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!

And of course yes pure bred pups with AKC papers come with limited registration but rescues *HOLD THE puppies until they are SPAYED & NUETERED!!!!!!!!! And that is why they ask for a $250 to $300. adptionf fee!

"Unless he's six months or older, there was no worry about him breeding anyhow. " Completely ignorant statement! Dogs disappear & are nabbed EVERY DAY http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/10/18/2007-10-18_woman_offers_florida_trip_in_return_for_.html A mill person would NOT think that way if they are intact dogs they will start breeding that 3 month old nabbed dog in just a few months........ until then it'll sit in it's own filth in a cage! Rescues NEVER let an INTACT dog go EVER! if you check here you will see all SEVENTEEN of the *missing* BG's at the national rescue site that could have fallen into the hands of a *unscrupulous* pet mill breeder hmm perhaps they should be checking with this "pet boutique"? http://www.brusselsgriffonrescue.org/missing.html Furthermore from the same national site I will quote them

"The object of NBGR is to spay or neuter and place rescued dogs in qualified pet homes. To help you identify this breed, please refer to the following description and the pictures we have included here."

Funny nothing about it being ok to place a puppy to young for spaying/nuetering. & if we are enforcing the "a kid has to be over 14 yrs. old rule then we are CERTAINLY enforcing the "dog is neutered first" rule!

My "wanna be route" would include the American Spaniel club, the American Golden Retriever club, CSC of NJ, Ramapo Kennel club and First Dog Training Club of Northern New Jersey, Inc. of course I haven't been members in those clubs all at the same time but over the years. And I still belong to several. I've worked committees which wasn't limited to but included fundraisers for rescue. I've had 2 spaniels I've trained for the conformation ring and pointed both of them myself and then turned them over to a professional handler for their majors. They *both also received their CGS's and so were titled at both ends. When I bred them several of the off spring of *each girl* I had trained for conformation and they went on to title as well & to have *duel titles* to boot! 2 of them were finished first & went on to compete in agility. 1 of the pups I'd bred ended up as a therapy dog after confirmation. Of course I have to give credit where it is due and say the training for other activities was done by the owners later after they had been shown & finished in the conformation ring. Rescues were done through my local agencies and privately as well as assisting in transports needed by rescuers transporting dogs to the safety of another state (midwest to upstate NY) The transports act as a chain from state to state. I assisted at the start before it actually became a formal thing they now have set up on Petfinder.com Originally people were just asking for help on message boards now there are specific boards set up to shout out for help. I'm not a professional groomer but I can & do groom having owned several different breeds that were double coated & long haired breeds & so for several years I went into the local shelter that is NOT a no kill & I would assist in helping to groom & clean up the dogs. And yes I know what it means to cry because you know it hurts as you're cutting but you have to shave down a dog who's so matted it's too the skin which is pink, sore and you're pulling at the very sore skin that is also often infested with fleas & ticks etc. Of course I also walked them and/or would play with them because other than the volunteers there's no interaction with people once in the shelter & the more friendly the more likely for adoption. etc. I know what it means when a dog is going to be put down for *no reason* . I *know what it means to say "Um no you're not putting him down. I'm taking him home" & then I would REHOME him! Some times one has to do what one has to do & I certainly knew how to screen adopters. I've had vets ask me to take dogs (which I did) & update innoculations, nueter, train, groom, and expose him to as many people as I could in places that were intended for dogs ie obedience classes, 4 H clubs, and the like and some times a REAL good adopter just presents him or herself that way. After a while of being in and about dog people, vets & rescues you just get phone calls of people asking for help. I do what I can. I certainly know the proceedures of them all. :) This group Mutts & Moms is NOT one of them!

Posted at 3:11AM on Oct 19th 2007 by moms2cool

139. When's the last time Bob Weatherwax placed a rescue dog? I think it was his FATHER that rescued the original Lassie 60 odd years ago.

Where was Bob when one of the dogs he bred with wound up in one of the biggest serizures of abused dogs? NOWHERE.

Placing puppies isn't the same as placing a rescue dog Bob, and you are NOT your father. Stop taking credit for HIS work.

This washed up guy even dumped Lassie. He's just looking to latch on to Ellen's celebrity status for self promotion. What a wasteland.

Cesar Milan is the new King of animal trainers.

Posted at 12:42PM on Oct 22nd 2007 by Laurie

140. Having grown up in the Lassie household and having trained dogs professionally for over a decade, I will tell you how Rudd and Bob always handled this......they themselves wouldn't release a Lassie collie to a home unless they signed a similiar contract to Ellen's. The fact that he supports Ellen doing what she did - makes my father a hypocrite. I don't eat Veal, but it's ok if other people eat it.....COME ON!......I don't buy it for a minute....but then with his recent history of lying.....it's not surprising...

Posted at 12:56PM on Oct 26th 2007 by R. Ruddell Weatherwax

141. Bob Weatherwax tries to come off as this cuddly guy who likes kids and animals....I know for a fact he loves neither....he kept Laddie - his 9th generation Lassie - in a garage for over 2 years....has other people feed and care for them...while he sits on his (*&^(*^...he cares nothing of his own family....his daughter Mary Duxbury was illegitamate and Bob ignored her for 30 years until my mom left him....at which time he was lonely....he hates his son and his grandchildren...in fact he hasn't even seen the grandchildren in over 10 years....he's a screwed up man who deserves only the worst.....he's an angry, disturbed person who I have chosen to write offf as a human being......

Posted at 7:10PM on Jan 15th 2008 by Robert R.Weatherwax

142. Let's think about this a moment. Ellen gave Iggy away, wants the dog back, throws a tantrum on her show. Bob Weatherwax gave Lassie away, wants the dog back, throws a tantrum on his website. I see a huge similarity here. No wonder you support her Bob. Those who know you know how you throw people and things away when they are no longer needed. Too bad there isn't a rescue agency willing to step in and rescue your beautiful dog. We know you wouldn't grieve. You're in no shape to support anyone. After all, it's all about you anyway, isn't it? Just like always.......

Lovingly,
Shoshanna

Posted at 12:57AM on Nov 3rd 2007 by Shoshanna

143. THIS WHOLE EPISODE WAS BLOWN WAY OUT OF PROPORTION.WHO HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THEN ELLEN. SHES AN ANIMAL LOVER AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT GIVE THE PET TO ANYONE THAT WOULD HARM IT.THE PAPERWORK SHOULD HAVE BEEN REDONE STATING THE CHILD AS THE NEW OWNER.ITS NOT LIKE SHE WAS GIVING THE DOG TO MICHAEL VICK.

Posted at 6:32PM on Nov 2nd 2007 by JOE CAPRIO CITYLIFE PRODUCTIONS

144. Gorgeous dog

Posted at 5:54AM on Nov 4th 2007 by www.lake-shore.co.uk