1771. 1773. Good night everyone.. Catch up with you tomorrow.

Posted at 12:44AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Ms. Kitty

Good nite Kitty :)

Posted at 12:54AM on Mar 31st 2008 by J...

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NANCY GRACE
Accidental Drug Overdose Declared Cause of Anna Nicole`s Death
Aired March 26, 2007 - 20:00:00 ET

PERPER: The last person who said that he saw her alive -- alive -- was Mr. Stern, Howard K. Stern. HE DENIES THAT HE GAVE HER ANY MEDICATION. There`s no any other testimony indicating that his statement is not true.

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Posted at 10:05PM on Mar 30th 2008 by Lynda-1


Of course there is no other testimony to conflict because ANS is dead.

Just like Belushi....

How can there be "conflicting" testimony if that person is dead?

Posted at 12:58AM on Mar 31st 2008 by $pin city

1773. He was not better off with Anna alive?! He enjoyed companionship with someone he adored, lived with a celebrity, had his everyday needs attended to and worked for one client. Now he has nothing but grief, money can't buy happiness.


Posted at 12:29AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Lynda-1

I don't belive he "adored" her or cared for her like you think. His actions or lack of action (getting her help for her drug addiction and enabling it) speaks volumes. His everyday needs are still being taken care of. Now he has nothing but grief? The majority of his grief he brought on himself, sorry, no sympathy from me. What decent attorney doesn't have a client base? Why attach yourself to one celebrity client. You yourself said she wasn't Lennon or Elvis. As for the house, yes it's not his so why is he living there? I don't care about the Marshall money. Obviously HKS does because he filed legal paperwork in Oct 2007 to ensure he gets his 6% portion if the case settles. Personally I hope not one dime is paid.

Posted at 12:40AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Ms. Kitty
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I think one of Anna's quirks was having one personal lawyer at her disposal, like she wanted Larry to quit his other clients and only be her personal photographer. Yes, I do believe Stern was infatuated with Anna, was very apparent in his actions throughout their years together.

Posted at 1:01AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Lynda-1

1774. 1775. 1688. Good question, Ms. Kitty!

If everything was above board, why care? If the drugs were for legitimate purposes, there would be no need to use fake names . There would be no need to run afoul of the law. These are serious offenses especially when someone dies. More so when TWO die.

Posted at 3:56PM on Mar 30th 2008 by passing thru

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Just catching up, so sorry if this has been addressed:

I have mentioned this before: sometimes patients are "black-listed". A doctor's office or pharmacy may have a list of addicts, their names and "aliases" that are pill poppers. I have known people that worked in both dr's offices and pharmacies. We talked about how certain people would call in, requesting refills, but since they were on the list, the doctors office wasnt even called about the refill. I think that could be one reason that neither ANS' name, nor any of her "pseudos" , was on the prescription bottles. It may seem weak to some people, but its a legitimate reason.

JMO.

Thanks.

Posted at 12:52AM on Mar 31st 2008 by diva
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So if a pharmacy decides it is NOT in the best interest of a patient (or the prescribing doctor) to fill the requested script for drugs, then it is okay to put it in someone else's name and give it to the patient anyway??? Despite many assorted laws against that conduct? Don't care what someone might "get by" with... care about the legality of it. See The legality is important because death is a legal issue. Homicide is a legal issue. Laws are legal issues. They all kind of tie together? So what someone does and can get by with is not of interest to me.

Posted at 1:07AM on Mar 31st 2008 by passing thru

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Just catching up, so sorry if this has been addressed:

I have mentioned this before: sometimes patients are "black-listed". A doctor's office or pharmacy may have a list of addicts, their names and "aliases" that are pill poppers. I have known people that worked in both dr's offices and pharmacies. We talked about how certain people would call in, requesting refills, but since they were on the list, the doctors office wasnt even called about the refill. I think that could be one reason that neither ANS' name, nor any of her "pseudos" , was on the prescription bottles. It may seem weak to some people, but its a legitimate reason.

JMO.

Thanks.

Posted at 12:52AM on Mar 31st 2008 by diva

I agree. You seem to appear at odd times and take on the Stern supporter persona.

I think source for scripts dried up as well. But that doesn't make it right for HKS and Dr. Kris E to obtain them illegally and to treat ANS when she desperately needed inpatient treatment. While they may say they were doing it to keep DL from Larry and to keep the Bahamas from finding out about Anna's drugs that may implicate her or Stern, they still helped her to her grave. IMO

Thanks.

Posted at 1:07AM on Mar 31st 2008 by $pin city

1776. Answered my own question. Hard to say if it was Oxy's tho.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365099/usercomments

Posted at 1:15AM on Mar 31st 2008 by oh ok

1777.
I think one of Anna's quirks was having one personal lawyer at her disposal, like she wanted Larry to quit his other clients and only be her personal photographer. Yes, I do believe Stern was infatuated with Anna, was very apparent in his actions throughout their years together. Posted at 1:01AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Lynda-1
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1. I think one of Anna's quirks was having one personal lawyer at her disposal,
* I think one of Anna's quirks was having a gopher handy to tend to errands, meds, doggy walking;

2. like she wanted Larry to quit his other clients and only be her personal photographer.
* Where did you get this info?

3.Yes, I do believe Stern was infatuated with Anna,
* He may have been infatuated with different aspects of Anna and her life. That does not equate to love, compassion, etc..

4. was very apparent in his actions throughout their years together.
* You sound like a sob sister for Howard. Get over it. How was this apparent? Provide your links this time or get off the soap box.

Posted at 1:01AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Lynda-1
*passing thru

Posted at 1:17AM on Mar 31st 2008 by passing thru

1778. the truth
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yeah, as a matter of fact, I popped over to kim and ads this afternoon. I had to see if they figured out how to use different templates yet, and to my surprise, AD figured it out.
kudos to the girls, they are getting with the program.
Which one are you kimmie or alison?
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Kim and ad do not post here at all, never have that i am aware of. the truth is just that, the truth. no need to always be other people. when you have nothing to hide, its just that, nothing to hide. why would you worry about templates? they do not know you nor care to, so why bother with two innocent people you do not know? thank you

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man i disagree, it is not a hated site. it is a good site. paying for someone? mind your own business. are you going to help all the others who are sued for the slander they write?

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P.S. sorry i forgot to ask you why you use another name at another site. Alamogirl? why not be yourself as sqautter?

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i am so sorry that you cannot see that justice is playing games here. she is using others names. thank you but i am not other people. no need to be. you are more interested in who is who rather than the story these days and so am I

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i type fast and do not care except when one like your self point it out. is it like you said "under ware" kind of like that? hehe.


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P.S. do you have enough money to cover all your slander? would you be financially ruined? your so concerned with prison i was wondering the same thing. you brought up money so do you have enough to cover your butt? thank you

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coffee?? odd question, but i drink one cup a day for like 25 years now. stupid? that was not nice nor a nice thing to say.

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|i totally agree it was slander and libel both. could get real interesting to say the least.


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lets see if i can answer them and then we can get back to talking about the story and howards great tomorrow. brain washed, by whom? no i am not one to be brain washed by anyone ever. i am very stable person. i visit many sites. is this your only site you are allowed on or just chose to stay on this one site?

Posted at 1:25AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Lucky she likes to talk about herself

1779. So if a pharmacy decides it is NOT in the best interest of a patient (or the prescribing doctor) to fill the requested script for drugs, then it is okay to put it in someone else's name and give it to the patient anyway??? Despite many assorted laws against that conduct? Don't care what someone might "get by" with... care about the legality of it. See The legality is important because death is a legal issue. Homicide is a legal issue. Laws are legal issues. They all kind of tie together? So what someone does and can get by with is not of interest to me.

Posted at 1:07AM on Mar 31st 2008 by passing thru
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Wha-huh??

NO, i mean, a DOCTORS OFFICE will leave a list of NAMES of "problem patients", those that are usually addicts. They will leave this list with the PHARMACY and with the ANSWERING SERVICE, with a "DO NOT CALL" note, meaning DO NOT CALL THE DOCTOR OR OFFICE IF THIS PARTICULAR PATIENT CALLS IN. It is not up to a pharmacist whether or not to fill someone's RX, I am talking STRICTLY about addicts.

It is my belief that ANS' name, and her pseudnyms, became too well known, especially after dr. e's death list was requested, and that MAY be why the RXs were NOT in her name.

JMO.

Thanks,

Posted at 1:31AM on Mar 31st 2008 by diva

1780. You seem to appear at odd times and take on the Stern supporter persona.

Posted at 1:07AM on Mar 31st 2008 by $pin city

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I have a life and am in no way tied to this computer. I post when i have time. Have stated time and again, i try to be fair, but support neither side. I do not claim to KNOW that HKS orchestrated the demise of DWS and ANS, as some do, but it could be true. Trying to keep an open mind.

JMO.

Thanks.

Posted at 1:35AM on Mar 31st 2008 by diva

1781. 2003. That's a long time ago.

Nice to read Anna's words. Her mindset didn't change much.

http://www.lardbiscuit.com/annanicoleshow/ep213.html

Posted at 1:37AM on Mar 31st 2008 by oh ok

1782. Wha-huh??

NO, i mean, a DOCTORS OFFICE will leave a list of NAMES of "problem patients", those that are usually addicts. They will leave this list with the PHARMACY and with the ANSWERING SERVICE, with a "DO NOT CALL" note, meaning DO NOT CALL THE DOCTOR OR OFFICE IF THIS PARTICULAR PATIENT CALLS IN. It is not up to a pharmacist whether or not to fill someone's RX, I am talking STRICTLY about addicts.

It is my belief that ANS' name, and her pseudnyms, became too well known, especially after dr. e's death list was requested, and that MAY be why the RXs were NOT in her name.

JMO.

Thanks,

Posted at 1:31AM on Mar 31st 2008 by diva
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Diva, Anna had no problem getting scripts filled under her own name. Bahamian doctors them after the baby was born, after she had pneumonia, for her depression when Daniel died. Two docs in the States filled and mailed to her "reasonable " scripts" relating to surgery problems. I don't know of any doctor she was seeing who refused to write scripts for her. I know of no story of her having trouble having them filled in her own name.

Maybe you are confusing this issue with Dr. E's requests to having scripts filled by doctors Anna was NOT currently seeing, and the scripts being unreasonable in nature.

Posted at 1:42AM on Mar 31st 2008 by passing thru

1783. Howard was not lacking for anything while she was alive. He whips out an interview to garner the bucks while she is dead. I don't hear him complaining about the 12 years of poverty he spent with her.

VA is not on the hot seat for her daughter's death. VA did not falsely obtain drugs and then illegally dose them to ANS. Howard is on the hot seat and he invited himself there with his actions of disregarding laws, and failing to use mature reasoning. His 12 years of free loading is suspect. His court room lies; his twisting of stories before media sources. And of course, his profiteering from media after DWS and his mother, ANS died.

If VA was selling pics to media, I doubt ANY of them commanded a million dollars a pop. They were innocent family pics not raunchy, stoned out oics or shots of vomitng/dead people.

No big deal because she was not Elvis or Lennon? Wow. Big deal to a woman who wanted her daughter alive. Big deal to Anna who wanted her son alive. Big deal, perhaps, to a baby who will never know the love of those two family members. And Stern was NOT a family member.

Stern had her as a business partner and had no complaints while she was alive. I don't think he is ready to abandon the one man "partnership" of Hot Smoochie Lips now... heck, he is riding high off someone else's work and financial gain.

Howard wishes he could have her popularity. He will never command that.

Posted at 10:56PM on Mar 30th 2008 by passing thru

Howard's best friend must be his Palmpilot. He was constantly contacting media before, during and after events in the lives of ANS and DWS. He ll he called ET and made room reservations for them at the Hard Rock before her body was even cold! Now tell me how much he was grieving!

He was so full of grief he had a funky commitment ceremony to a stoned out Anna before she could even bury her son!
And he got paid for every second before the camera...Sicko.

Posted at 11:04PM on Mar 30th 2008 by passing thru

High-Five!

Posted at 12:27AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Ms. Kitty

passing thru....you said it all perfectly.
No matter what they say, Vergie was not there when Anna and Daniel died of prescription drug overdoses. No matter how much they spin it, that is a FACT.

Posted at 2:46AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Things that make u go hmmm...

1784. What we can learn from Anna Nicole Smith’s death

My psychiatric nurse practitioner, who prescribes and monitors my medications, found something weird (or should I say something else weird?) about the death of Anna Nicole Smith.

There were no antidepressants in her system

According to reports, Anna Nicole had been suffering from depression since the death of her son and birth of her daughter in September. Anna managed to get ahold of a smorgasbord of other drugs, but no one apparently thought she should take an antidepressant.

Instead, she was taking drugs that are considered very risky to give to a depressed alcoholic and/or addict: classic “downers” and others that are habit-forming. I don’t know how Anna Nicole got the drugs. I do know this: The girl had a serious substance-abuse problem. That was pretty obvious from watching her painful reality show.

I also know, because my nurse made a huge issue of this when I first saw her, that there are certain drugs that should be avoided or only carefully prescribed to addicts and alcoholics with depression. Drugs like Valium, Ativan and Klonopin, all from a class of drugs called benzodiazepines that are risky to give to an alcoholic and/or addict — especially three at a time.

Ativan is an anti-anxiety medication. My mother took it in hospice, and, boy, did it work. Klonopin is the drug to which Stevie Nicks was addicted. And Valium, well, let’s just say a lot of us know what Valium feels like. Then there was Soma and Methadone, both habit-forming. And finally Noctec, a very old sedative that is rarely used and must be used — especially by an addict and/or alcoholic — with extreme caution.
If we learn one thing from Anna Nicole’s death, maybe it should be this: We all need to be more careful about the drugs prescribed to addicts and alcoholics who have depression. We, the people who suffer from these diseases, and those who love us and treat us, should know this and start paying attention to what’s in the brown plastic bottle and who has access to it.

Unfortunately, a lot of people — including doctors — don’t know this. I’m not passing all the blame onto the doctors. Addicts and alcoholics with depression need to tell their doctors about their addictions before the doctor writes a prescription for a sedative, antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication. There is a lot of denial out there, and addicts and alcoholics can be great liars.

Still, I believe that doctors and psychiatric nurse practitioners who treat depression with any habit-forming or mood-altering drug should thoroughly screen the patient for substance abuse, like my nurse practitioner. How hard is it to ask a few questions? Such as: Is there any substance or alcohol abuse in your family? Has anyone ever told you that you drink too much? Have you ever had a DUI or faced any drug charges? Do you live in a household with an addict or alcoholic (who might want to “borrow” your prescription)? Have you ever been to a 12-step meeting?
Why ask? Because as many as 37 percent of alcoholics and 53 percent of addicts also have at least one serious mental illness. Of people diagnosed with a mental illness, 39 percent abuse drugs and/or alcohol. We’re talking about millions and millions of alcoholics and addicts who are being treated for depression. They need to know — they deserve to know — that their prescription isn’t going to worsen their other mental illness.

So if you are a doctor, a friend, a parent or someone who cares about someone with depression — especially an addict or alcoholic — just ask a few questions about what’s in that little brown bottle.

It’s just a few questions.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/accent/epaper/2007/04/01/a3d_cs_depress_anna_0401.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=2

Posted at 6:53AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Things that make u go hmmm...

1785. For Daniel .....


The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them.

Lois McMaster Bujold

Posted at 6:57AM on Mar 31st 2008 by Bea