Daniel's Death Officially Ruled Accidental

3541. Morning Tiny

Great posts as usual.

Seems that everyone on the other side wants to rehash this burial deal. Why? NO ONE is arguing the point that Anna wanted to be buried next to her son. NO ONE is saying that this is not the right thing to do. The affidavits that they speak of, only confirm that Anna wanted to be buried next to Daniel. They do not speak of the fact that the Bahamas WAS NOT Anna's choice for the placement of her sons remains. Why don't they argue that point?

From the funeral home director, to the mouth of Howielied, we have heard and read that Anna WANTED Daniel buried in California, in his country the UNITED STATES. Her WISHES were not to be. Why did no one fight for Anna's wishes when they knew what her wishes were? Howielied stated in that Florida court that Anna could not afford to bury Daniel in the place of her choice, "to expensive" he said. I don't know what it would cost to transport remains from the Bahamas to California, I am sure that for exclusive rights to the flight and burial, ET would have sent a plane. I am sure that the money that Howielied made off the last photos of Anna and Daniel alone would more then have covered the expense of a burial in the States, if not just add what was made off the "exclusive" coverage of the famous "commitment" ceremony, for sure that would have put a burial in California within reach.

Sternies seem to want to argue silly little points. Anna's wishes have become their mantra. I would think that Anna's wishes for her and her son were not to be laid to rest in a country not their own, in graves unkempt, unmarked. But to them this is an important aspect of the saga. They don't want to hit on the "real issues" and continue to do their best to distract, disrupt, and prevent any real dialogue of things that are important. They demand, but hardly ever provide, links. They start name calling and bashing, then accuse us of being the perpetrators, they waste our time and energy, responding to them in their effort to take us away from the important points. There are newer and more important events happening now that should be our focus. We need to STOP allowing them to halt the dialogue .

Posted at 11:52AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Gtobrat

3542. Where did she argue her case on TV. IMO doing interviews where they sought HER out and answering questions that they asked is not arguing your case on TV. As far as the body issue, it was Howard that thrust her into that, there should have never even been that joke of a trial, and that is exactly what it was. Howard was NOTHING to ANS and biology trumps all as far as I’m concerned. If you want to talk about her being in front of the camera in the Bahamas, again Howard and the Bahamas are the cause of that. If people go by what you are trying to claim then anybody who has ever gone in front of a camera pleading for the safe return of a missing child, or pleading for the public’s help to find the killer of someone gunned down in the street or killed in a robbery would deem them a public figure. So then if there was somebody out there who happened to LOATH that person that would give them the right to put out lies and trash that person. Sorry, don’t see the logic in that one.


Bloggers dragged into Virgie's revenge lawsuit should contact the ACLU. O'Quinn and McCabe will go to any length to mitigate the damages they owe Howard. Going on TV to argue her case made Virgie a public figure from the time of the first interview. If you want to be treated like a private citizen, then keep your matters private, like the rest of 300 million Americans do.
Posted at 11:24AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Not All States Are As Primitive As Texas

Posted at 11:54AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by tiny

3543. 3537.
Yes Tracy, that woman doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning anything. Her actions have been questionable from the very beginning. I am still puzzled as to what her agenda really is. What does she want if not money? I've always said, too little too late on Virgie's part. I agree that this is a quest for revenge.

Posted at 10:56AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Too late now

What? Don't you think Howard is the one who's actions are questionable????? He now owns the rights to Anna's name, he owns the Studio City House, he owns the pink house in the Bahamas, he owns the boat. He left Anna dead to be found by Taz. He won't try to find out HOW Daniel got the methadone. OMG talk about someone who's actions are questionable????????????????? Virgie was not the one who gave Anna or Daniel drugs, the drugs were not in her name, she wasn't even there when Anna and Daniel died. Howard and his sister set out to make Virgie look bad and Virgie will win that lawsuit. Howard is nothing but a drug dealer who killed off two people! Now he has Dannielynn paying for his shoes!



Posted at 11:15AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by You got problems



We weren't talking about Howard, we were discussing Virgie and her frivolous lawsuit and how her actions in the past contradict what she is trying to do now. I don't question HKS's actions because it has been established that he is innocent of wrong doing. Who owns what is irrelevant to me. What I question is Virgie's motives behind this lawsuit since that is what is going on right now. Do you have a clue as to what Virgie wants? Perhaps you can explain, or is that a problem?

Posted at 12:04PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Too late now

3544. jc

Public Records. It is all there. It is also common knowledge that the Studio City house was purchased by Anna and placed in the name of Hot Smoochie Lips, days later. HSL, in case you don't know, is a corporation set up by Howielied, He lost, or so they say, rights to HSL, when it went deliquint in back taxes, same thing with the Studio City home, deliquint taxes. Then within weeks of Anna's passing A. Keith Skane resurected HSL, taxes were paid and all was well in Howielied land. As the sole survivor of the HSL corp, guess who owns EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! Name, likeness, home, HSL itself, one guess and I will give you a hint his initials are HKS.

It is said, and it is a little harder to check facts in the Bahama's, that Howielied started another corp down there, called Crackers Inc. The boat and the "pink house" allegedly were under this corp. Now, again facts a little harder to check in the Bahamas, but, Somehow, King Eric is now the owner of the famous boat that he sold to Anna and now appears to reown. The "pink house" is also allegedly, now in the name of Munroe's Corp in the Bahamas. You remember Munroe, Howielied's lawyer. If these rumors are true, then it would appear that Crackers Inc was set up the same way has HSL, sole survivorship went to Howielied.

Here's a question for you, if HSL and Crackers Inc. owns all things Anna, and maybe even Horizons, then HKS owns EVERYTHING concerning Anna. What does that leave DL?

Posted at 12:06PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Gtobrat

3545. Here's a question for you, if HSL and Crackers Inc. owns all things Anna, and maybe even Horizons, then HKS owns EVERYTHING concerning Anna. What does that leave DL?

Posted at 12:06PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Gtobrat

Dannielynn likely inherits her mother's half of those corporations. Likely the reason she lives in the Studio City home and Howard lives in Horizons..........50/50.

Posted at 12:19PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Trying to be helpful

3546. What? Don't you think Howard is the one who's actions are questionable????? He now owns the rights to Anna's name, he owns the Studio City House, he owns the pink house in the Bahamas, he owns the boat. He left Anna dead to be found by Taz. He won't try to find out HOW Daniel got the methadone. OMG talk about someone who's actions are questionable????????????????? Virgie was not the one who gave Anna or Daniel drugs, the drugs were not in her name, she wasn't even there when Anna and Daniel died. Howard and his sister set out to make Virgie look bad and Virgie will win that lawsuit. Howard is nothing but a drug dealer who killed off two people! Now he has Dannielynn paying for his shoes!



Posted at 11:15AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by You got problems

No..You have problems. Not one thing have you stated is a proven fact. Nor does it have anything to do with Virgies lawsuit.
If all you present as your argument is gossip that has been proven not to be fact, then your the one with a problem. The house in Calif would not be included in Anna's estate if it was corp owned. You can not show one shred of proof of any of your statements.

Posted at 12:22PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Tracy

3547. Sternies seem to want to argue silly little points. Anna's wishes have become their mantra. I would think that Anna's wishes for her and her son were not to be laid to rest in a country not their own, in graves unkempt, unmarked. But to them this is an important aspect of the saga. They don't want to hit on the "real issues" and continue to do their best to distract, disrupt, and prevent any real dialogue of things that are important. They demand, but hardly ever provide, links. They start name calling and bashing, then accuse us of being the perpetrators, they waste our time and energy, responding to them in their effort to take us away from the important points. There are newer and more important events happening now that should be our focus. We need to STOP allowing them to halt the dialogue .



Posted at 11:52AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Gtobrat

I beg to differ with you, Gtobrat, but Anna's wishes are not a silly little point. Her dying wishes should be respected and carried out, imo. Not the wishes of Virgie or anybody else, but the words that came out of Anna's mouth should count for something, whether it's to your liking or not. What you call the" real issues " have been repeated and twisted and beaten to death on this blog, but the outcome is still the same, Anna's and Daniel's death were both accidental overdoses. We don't need your links to tell us that and you are wasting your own time and energy trying to prove otherwise. The name calling and bashing goes both ways, Gtobrat, you of all people have been here long enough to know that. I don't know what more important event you're referring too, but if it's Virgie's lawsuit, I am sure that was not part of Anna's wishes either.

Posted at 12:26PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by As I see it

3548. Good Morning Brat!

I truly do enjoy reading your posts, you are articulate and to the point and you are absolutely correct when you say that the court did not address the fact that the reason that Daniel was not brought back to the US as ANS wished was because Howard told her there was no money. Even Virgie did not disagree about the fact that they should be buried together, it was the final resting place that she did not agree with. Unfortunately, IMO, since Joke Siedlin already had his mind made up as to who was going to get the body, that hearing was for HIM and HIM alone to do his grandstanding, Virgie's lawyers could not even get to that issue as well as many others, they were constantly being cut off at the knees whenever they would try to address an issue. That hearing was the biggest travesty I have ever witnessed and did not bode well at all for what our justice system is supposed to be about.

The excuse of not burying Daniel in the states because there was not money, is just that, Howard's EXCUSE. Didn't it cost money to bring ANS back to the Bahamas. Since mommy and daddy have so much money to support Howard, couldn't he have gone to them and asked them for the money. Since Bonnie was so "close" to Anna, with all her businesses, couldn't she have "lent" her the money. I'm sure they could have "borrowed" the money that was needed to bring Daniel HOME. Wasn't the purpose of holding that ridiculous commitment ceremony and all those interviews with ET to get the money to bury Daniel. Where exactly did all that money go? No, Daniel was not to be buried in the US because Howard needed to CONTROL what was happening. Howard could not let Daniel be buried in the US because then he would have to answer here in the US as to how an American citizen wound up dead after being in a foreign country for less than 48 hours. Howard could not let Daniel be buried in the states because then that is where ANS would have had to be buried, next to her son. IMO there are REASONS as to why what transpired with regard to the burial place of Daniel then just the ridiculous excuse as to there was no money that some people seem to want to believe.

Posted at 12:26PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by tiny

3549. If a plaintiff in a libel or slander action qualifies as a public figure, he or she must show that the libelous or slanderous conduct of the defendant was motivated out of actual malice as required in the case of new york times co. v. sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 84 S.Ct. 710, 11 L.Ed.2d 686 (1964).

West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Public+person

Does not matter whether Virgie was perceived as "public figure". Key word is MOTIVATION of the defamer .

Many people DO find themselves "in the public" seeking answers that sometimes would be mostly unattainable without media help. IMO.

Posted at 12:29PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by amanda m

3550. Hi Tiny, Hi GTO, excellent posts this morning.I love both of your posts , always informative and with backup. Pretty much all you've said is verifiable.As far as Mrs Arthur being a public figure, thats a bunch of crap. Who had even heard from her in the media before 2006? I followed anna's carreer somewhat and didn't even know what she looked like until 2006.She CHOSE NOT to be a public figure altho her daughter loved the limelight. She is NOT a public figure to this day and she never will be because she CHOOSES not to be. IF she was looking for money we would have seen her putting herself on tv for the past 12 years . It didn't happen because she CHOSE not to be that public figure . I pray everyday for some justice for this woman who lived and worked her life by the law. Then in her darkest hour when SHE needed the law...it failed her miserably,that has to be a hard thing to accept after being in law ENFORCEMENT for 29 years. That poor woman has been treated like total crap for 2 years now and it's time to stop the madness that is hks and his ILK (lol) the things him and his crowd have done to Anna and her entire family is despicable and the LAW that has allowed it should be outlawed....

Posted at 12:31PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by say what

3551. To late now

I am sorry, did I miss something? Are you now in control of what we discuss here? I got the message from Faye Maraple that said we should use cyperspace etiquite but not the memo on your control of the blog topic.

Again sorry, but I think that we still have first amendment rights, and are free on an open blog to talk about whatever topic we choose. Just like you are free to be stuck in a rut, further degrading Virgie, we are free to spin our wheels, and point out questionable actions by your hero. When a statement is made that is untrue, we can question it. If you choose to bring Virgie into it, then we are equally free to bring Howielied into it. It is called open debate. It is usually healthy although in this case, debating with Sternie's tends to increase stress and raise blood pressure.

You should be interested in who owns what. That part of this saga is very telling. There is a small, motherless child, who, appears not to "own" very much. Her father, not unlike her Uncle Howielied, appears to be unemployed. What does that say to this childs future?

Virgie wants what she has ALWAYS wanted. ANSWERS. She wants to know, like most of us WHERE her grandson got the lethal drugs that ended his "non dependent drug use". life. Virgie wants to know how her daughter, running a 105 fever, delirious, found sitting in a dry bath tub, was not forced to receive medical treatment that would have saved her life, I am sure that she did not WISH to be dead. She wants to know HOW this same child so weak she needed aid to go to the bathroom, per Howielied, made it all the way to the second bedroom, took drugs, and returned to bed to die. AND she wants to know where Howielied, keeper of the meds was when all this happened. Sometimes you need to go the long way around in order to get answers.

Posted at 12:33PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Gtobrat

3552. 3544. jc

Public Records. It is all there. It is also common knowledge that the Studio City house was purchased by Anna and placed in the name of Hot Smoochie Lips, days later. HSL, in case you don't know, is a corporation set up by Howielied, He lost, or so they say, rights to HSL, when it went deliquint in back taxes, same thing with the Studio City home, deliquint taxes. Then within weeks of Anna's passing A. Keith Skane resurected HSL, taxes were paid and all was well in Howielied land. As the sole survivor of the HSL corp, guess who owns EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! Name, likeness, home, HSL itself, one guess and I will give you a hint his initials are HKS.

It is said, and it is a little harder to check facts in the Bahama's, that Howielied started another corp down there, called Crackers Inc. The boat and the "pink house" allegedly were under this corp. Now, again facts a little harder to check in the Bahamas, but, Somehow, King Eric is now the owner of the famous boat that he sold to Anna and now appears to reown. The "pink house" is also allegedly, now in the name of Munroe's Corp in the Bahamas. You remember Munroe, Howielied's lawyer. If these rumors are true, then it would appear that Crackers Inc was set up the same way has HSL, sole survivorship went to Howielied.

Here's a question for you, if HSL and Crackers Inc. owns all things Anna, and maybe even Horizons, then HKS owns EVERYTHING concerning Anna. What does that leave DL?

Posted at 12:06PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Gtobrat

Don't know what it leaves DL and neither do you and it is none of our business, is it! Howard will look after Dannielynn every which way he can, so stop the soap opera now, it aint working.

Posted at 12:57PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by stop the soap opera theories

3553. Howard could not let Daniel be buried in the US because then he would have to answer here in the US as to how an American citizen wound up dead after being in a foreign country for less than 48 hours. Howard could not let Daniel be buried in the states because then that is where ANS would have had to be buried, next to her son. IMO there are REASONS as to why what transpired with regard to the burial place of Daniel then just the ridiculous excuse as to there was no money that some people seem to want to believe.



Posted at 12:26PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by tiny

sadly tiny ,daniel died when he had been in the bahamas for less than 12 hours...yes, TWELVE hours...isn't that sad?

Posted at 12:36PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by say what

3554. ".... Virgie's part. I agree that this is a quest for revenge.

Posted at 10:56AM on Apr 22nd 2008 by Too late now "

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Get REAL ! It IS HOWARD WHO IS VENGEFUL ! He admitted it on the Greta interview last week -- "When I heard that Larry was planning ot take out a restraining order against me " ----- That's When HOWARD CHOSE TO KEEP DL AT HORIZONS / with him . FULL WELL KNOWING THAT DL WASN'T HIS CHILD , keeping that baby in an emotional limbo for months ! ....only to feed Howard's need for revenge against LARRY ! Now i call that pure , mean spitefullness .

Posted at 12:39PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by mean & spiteful

3555. You are correct Anna’s wishes are not a silly little point, but Anna’s wishes were NOT to be buried in the Bahamas, Anna’s wishes were to be buried NEXT to her son. Anna’s wishes were to bring Daniel back to the states, it was Howard who told her she could not afford it. Hence, Anna’s wishes were NOT carried out. Had the plan been to bury Daniel in the Bahamas from the beginning he would not have laid in the morgue for so long and there would not have been talks with a Funeral Home about arrangements to bring him back to the States. And while were on the subject of Anna’s wishes, Anna did not want Larry Birkhead to get DL, yet no one seems to try and claim that that was one of Anna’s wishes, how come that “wish” didn’t hold up in any court once the biological father was found out. Seems to me the only time that Anna’s wishes were carried out, or things were done because it “was want Anna wanted” was when it benefited one person and one person only and that is Howard.

I beg to differ with you, Gtobrat, but Anna's wishes are not a silly little point. Her dying wishes should be respected and carried out, imo. Not the wishes of Virgie or anybody else, but the words that came out of Anna's mouth should count for something, whether it's to your liking or not. What you call the" real issues " have been repeated and twisted and beaten to death on this blog, but the outcome is still the same, Anna's and Daniel's death were both accidental overdoses. We don't need your links to tell us that and you are wasting your own time and energy trying to prove otherwise. The name calling and bashing goes both ways, Gtobrat, you of all people have been here long enough to know that. I don't know what more important event you're referring too, but if it's Virgie's lawsuit, I am sure that was not part of Anna's wishes either.
Posted at 12:26PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by As I see it

Posted at 12:46PM on Apr 22nd 2008 by tiny