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Imagine Me and You, I'll Sue

Posted May 13th 2008 8:12PM by TMZ Staff

Two members of the 60's group, The Turtles (you know, "Happy Together'), have sued Capitol Records over an Ice Cube song -- bitches!
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According to the suit, filed today in L.A. County Superior Court, Flo & Eddie recorded a song in 1972 for The Turtles called "Buzzsaw." The suit claims the song was sampled in a rap song by Ice Cube called "Jackin' for Beats." Flo & Eddie allege Capital signed a deal for the derivative song but went beyond the agreement to make even more money.

Flo & Eddie want minimum $25,000 but not more than $70,000. We know, it's weird to set a limit when you sue.

Capital, Eddie & Flo -- not happy together.

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16. I thnk the chorus of IceCube's song sounds like buzzsaw.. but it took them how long to figure this out?! This is why EVERYONE should listen to gangsta rap.

Posted at 12:02AM on May 14th 2008 by Amanda

17. TMZ apparently doesn't listen to rap music. The sample is 34 seconds into the song. I don't know which part of the song they grabbed their clip from...

Posted at 2:05AM on May 14th 2008 by TetterkeT

18. Come on now, They Just want a piece of The Cube cause my homie Cube is still on the grind doin what he do. Somebody said they needed their Pention, well they need to get to work and stop trying to ride off Cubes Nutts. All this time??? Why wait til now,I'll tell you why, cause it took them this long to let all the drugs ware off......Turtles, half shells or whateva you want to call yourselves today, Please get a fricken life and stop comining out the woodworks to collect off of good and true Talent Like My Boy Cube !!! Cube Keep doin what you do boss, cause I'm from Arizona by way of Pasadena Ca. Been ya fan since day 1.......Still got that cali love !!!

Posted at 1:16AM on May 14th 2008 by Kevin O Sr

19. THE ORIGINAL...............................ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted at 3:06AM on May 14th 2008 by kentwood girl

20. Talk about your "awkward" TURTLES - doesn't EVEN sound similat

Posted at 6:02AM on May 14th 2008 by tony

21. yeah. ice cube and his crew were chilllin listening to "down baby, down baby, down baby, down baby, down baby....."(n then some), sung by some naked white dudes, were so inspired by it that they were like: let's BORROW THAT!! you got to have been smoking something past due to hear the same song in that. and what it was, is what i really want to know.

Posted at 3:53AM on May 14th 2008 by crazy foreigner

22. My vote is for the hot guys with the fig leaves, or are those maple leaves. Can I copy paste that pic and use it to pretend I'm famous, for online chat. I can be the one with the biggest fig leaf. That should fool those cyber geeks, especially since I'm a woman. Nice world we've created. Who knew the internet could turn into a monster. Now that is a reality show that might get good ratings.

Posted at 4:56AM on May 14th 2008 by wowsers

23. Are they for real. There is nothing in the buzzsaw song that songs like Ice Cube.

Posted at 8:21AM on May 14th 2008 by LN1959

24. The TMZ sample plays the wrong portion of the Ice Cube song. Listen to the BEGINNING of the Ice Cube song to hear the Turtle's sample ... but it must be noted that Ice Cube didn't sample the Turtles ... he actually sampled D-Nice. (D-NICE sampled the Turtles.) Listen carefully, the beginning of the Ice Cube song is a sample from D-Nice's sample of the Turtle's song. Don't know how that will play in court, but it is a sincere alibi if you ask me.

Aside from this, THIS Ice Cube SONG IS OVER 15 years old! Why the hell didn't the Turtles do something back then? Oh, wait, I forgot, they were too busy trying to sue De La Soul for sampling them on their "Three feet high and Rising" album. (Yes, the Turtles sued De La Soul ... you know, the guys who sang "Me, myself, and I.") However, they did this back when everybody was on the "Let's-sue-the-rappers-for-using-my-music-like-theTwo-Live-Crew" bandwagon. It was a timely lawsuit then, but trying to sue after more than 15 years? C'mon. Don't blame Ice Cube for your poor financial management skills. Go be a greeter at Wal-Mart like all the rest of the out-of-work 70's artists.

Lastly, you have to be living in a van, down by the river if you don't realize that rap & hip-hop is based on sampling. Most rappers nowadays pay for their samples & hooks ... even if the artist themselves disagrees, their record label doesn't care, as long as they get paid. It is HIGHLY likely that even though the Turtles don't like being sampled, their record label was more than happy to take Ice Cube's (or D-Nice's) money

16th!

Posted at 7:31AM on May 14th 2008 by Sampling is Art

25. I don't see any similarity. Even listened to the whole Turtles song on YouTube. Still don't see the similarity.

Posted at 8:57AM on May 14th 2008 by Jim

26. Jeremy B: I have seen these guys and used to listen to their radio show and they have loads of talent. Why don't you spout off about something you know something about?

Posted at 12:07PM on May 14th 2008 by bigleggedwoman

27. Rap is THE worst excuse for music ever! All of you guys follow these no talent gangsters, criminals and idolize them. You can't speak english, you have no original thoughts..........it's a sad sad thing. Listen to some good R&B artists........dump the rap!

Posted at 1:44PM on May 14th 2008 by rapis4morons

28. Just like school - why do your work, create, study, work, etc. - when you can just steal someone elses work and put your name on it. People don't change much just because they get older.

Posted at 11:07AM on May 14th 2008 by lola62

29. great! now can every other band from the 70's step up and claim their money from all these talentless "rappers" that couldn't make a beat without a sample or preset if their life depended on it?

Posted at 12:24PM on May 14th 2008 by nanz

30. Once again, TMZ messes up a post and creates an argument that should not be happening. Wrong part of the song chumps!
Rappers cop stuff from other folks and, as long as it's paid for, so what?. This ain't paid for. Ice cube is plenty rich and sold out a long time ago. His movies are offensive and stereotyped. He's as much hood as Paris is.

The Turtles: Hit singles in the sixties, prime studio back up singers in the 70s and beyond - Marc Bolan - T.Rex (the high parts on GET IT ON), lead vocalists with Frank Zappa and stars of his film 200 Motels (Zappa, by the way, defended rap and said it's as viable as a collage is in the world of painted art - so wise up people!), had a hilarious radio show on KROQ back when it was hipper than all of you, and put out a spoof album which carries this song (Battle of the Bands). They did songs as 12 different types of groups - Buzzsaw is done by the Surf Group parody band the Cross Fires, the name of their surf band at Santa Monica high school a long time ago (either them or the urban latino parody band...). They worked as FLO and EDDIE for years so they could work around a stifling contract imposed by a lame record label.

Bottom line? They have a history to be proud of. Do you?

Posted at 12:51PM on May 14th 2008 by spikept-the-Poet

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