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Helen Mirren -- Rape Isn't Always Criminal

9/1/2008 11:59 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Hellen MirrenThis will raise some eyebrows. Helen Mirren says she's been the victim of date-rape before, but if a woman says no at the last second, don't go whining your way into court.

CNN.com got a copy of a GQ story that's about to be published, in which Mirren calls date-rape a "tricky area," something best worked out between the parties.

Mirren says if a couple is heavy into sexual activity and the woman says "no" at the last second, technically it's rape, but, "I don't think she can have that man into court under those circumstances. I guess it is one of the subtle parts of the men/women relationship that has to be negotiated and worked out between them."

UPDATE
: Mirren's rep issued the following statement: "Helen Mirren does not dispute the accuracy of statements attributed to her in an upcoming GQ article. She merely asks that people read the article in its entirety before drawing conclusions. If they do that, she says, their conclusions will likely be far less sweeping and sensational than those drawn by some in the popular press. She does not wish to qualify any of her remarks. She just wants to avoid having them presented in inflammatory language."

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46.

McPickle    

#41 - which case of rape are you speaking of? I just want to clarify what you are getting at. Do you think date rape is different than rape? It's the same. Who are you saying is a 'true insult to all rape victimes out there?"

2159 days ago
47.

Matt    

Wtf is wrong with some of the people here? Ok, if she says no as the guy is ejaculating, it's too late, he could pull out but it's already over, so it's not rape. Same if she changes her mind hours later. If she says no 10 seconds before and he keeps going anyways, it is. No does mean no. Yeah, it would suck if a girl did that, but sometimes things suck. All the sick bastards who are crying that it isn't fair, well, maybe if you were good, she wouldn't be asking you to stop.

2159 days ago
48.

Kooky Fan    

I don't know who the hell she is - but if my daughter said NO, and was raped, I'd cut off the guys penis and shove it up his ass (as he was saying NO...NO)

2159 days ago
49.

kevin    

"well, maybe if you were good, she wouldn't be asking you to stop."

And matt, I am sure you are just that good huh. *rolleyes* obviously posted in an attempt to get laid.

2159 days ago
50.

Blueyedtigger    

No means no. If your going to do a movie, and tell the directors at the LAST second no, they aren't going to MAKE you do it. If a girl says no before any sexual activity is going on, and the guy continues to do it, then yes it's rape. If they are in the heat of the moment and she says no, then its just a change of mind. That is the only "tricky" area in this situation. People disgust me! You should have a speed bump between your brain and your mouth. You should watch what you say because people who have been date raped, will come at you and disagree with anything and everything you say.

2159 days ago
51.

kk    

KO-BE KO-BE KO-BE KO-BE KO-BE KO-BE KO-BE KO-BE!

2158 days ago
52.

john wayne gacy    


truth be told, it doesn't matter if it's a date,
girlfriend, wife or a paid professional;

the man pays for sex one way or another either in
actual dollars or live under the cloud of suspicion.

why even bother dealing with a mere " amateur "
that is indecisive or has a hidden agenda ?

the main reason why you pay a professional
is they don't want to talk and they leave............


2158 days ago
53.

JEN2K    

The motives to have consentual sex are as complex as the human heart and mind and utterly defy standardization by civil or criminal law format. IF A WOMAN AGREES TO GIVE A MAN $10,000 - - - - PUTS THE CASH INTO HIS POSSESSION-HANDS BUT THEN SHE CHANGES HER MIND, IS THE MAN A CRIMINAL FOR NOT GIVING IT BACK? " NO MEANS NO " UNLESS CONSENTUAL PENITRATION HAS OCCURRED AT WHICH POINT " NO MEANS NO " IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ATTEMPT TO MANIPULATE CRIMINAL LAW TO PLAY GAMES - MANIPULATION - BLACKMAIL , ECT . . . . . .

SEX INVOLVES THE BLISSFULL ABANDONMENT OF THOUGHT AND REASON WHILE LETTING THE FORCES OF NATURE RULE THE BODY AND MIND. THOUGHT AND REASON CAN AND SHOULD APPLY LEADING INTO CONSENTUAL BUT HAVE NO PLACE " DURING SEX ".

I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I HAD CONSENTUAL SEX. IT TOOK MALE STRENGTH AND FORCE TO MAKE GOOD ON THE CONSENTUAL SEX.

THIS HE SAID SHE SAID B.S. HAS TO BE THE MOST COMPELLING REASON FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO VIDEO TAPE THEMSELVES HAVING SEX. FOR HER PROTECTION ! FOR HIS PROTECTION !

2158 days ago
54.

jbon    

i think it all depends on how long the sex lasts. if she says "no" at the last minute and the guy continues pumping into her then it's rape...but if he's just entered and she says "no" and he quickly pulls out then it's definetly not rape.

2158 days ago
55.

JEN2K    

#49
What you described as sex is nothing more than you playing games with a Man who has so little passion for you beating off in the corner feels better than touching you. How many seconds does your Husband have before you accuse him of rape or cut off his penis ?

So if " NO MEANS NO " stop right now after penitration and a Woman has her legs around his back with her ankles locked, is beginning or in the middle of orgasming with her eyes rolling back in her skull out of her skull with pleasure and the Man (or any gender combination) says " NO " STOP RIGHT NOW ! but she doesn't , she's guilty of rape ? Can he shoot this rapist to death ? Can he use any force and violence neccesary to stop the rape ? What parts of her body is he entitled to cut off equal to her entitlment to cut off his penis ? You and your type are an abomination of the human specices. You are parasites. You embrace and promote the abnormal and unnatural in the service of your vanity past the brink of insanity.

2158 days ago
56.

JEN2K    

The motives to have consentual sex are as complex as the human heart and mind and utterly defy standardization by civil or criminal law format. IF A WOMAN AGREES TO GIVE A MAN $10,000 - - - - PUTS THE CASH INTO HIS POSSESSION-HANDS BUT THEN SHE CHANGES HER MIND, IS THE MAN A CRIMINAL FOR NOT GIVING IT BACK? " NO MEANS NO " UNLESS CONSENTUAL PENITRATION HAS OCCURRED AT WHICH POINT " NO MEANS NO " IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ATTEMPT TO MANIPULATE CRIMINAL LAW TO PLAY GAMES - MANIPULATION - BLACKMAIL , ECT . . . . . .

SEX INVOLVES THE BLISSFULL ABANDONMENT OF THOUGHT AND REASON WHILE LETTING THE FORCES OF NATURE RULE THE BODY AND MIND. THOUGHT AND REASON CAN AND SHOULD APPLY LEADING INTO CONSENTUAL BUT HAVE NO PLACE " DURING SEX ".

I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I HAD CONSENTUAL SEX. IT TOOK MALE STRENGTH AND FORCE TO MAKE GOOD ON THE CONSENTUAL SEX.

THIS HE SAID SHE SAID B.S. HAS TO BE THE MOST COMPELLING REASON FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO VIDEO TAPE THEMSELVES HAVING SEX. FOR HER PROTECTION ! FOR HIS PROTECTION ! From parasite prosecutors who want thier piece of the "sex sells action".
#48 What you described as sex is nothing more than you playing games with a Man who has so little passion for you beating off in the corner feels better than touching you. How many seconds does your Husband have before you accuse him of rape or cut off his penis ?

So if " NO MEANS NO " stop right now after penitration and a Woman has her legs around his back with her ankles locked, is beginning or in the middle of orgasming with her eyes rolling back in her skull out of her skull with pleasure and the Man (or any gender combination) says " NO " STOP RIGHT NOW ! but she doesn't , she's guilty of rape ? Can he shoot this rapist to death ? Can he use any force and violence neccesary to stop the rape ? What parts of her body is he entitled to cut off equal to her entitlment to cut off his penis ? You and your type are an abomination of the human specices. You are parasites. You embrace and promote the abnormal and unnatural in the service of your vanity past the brink of insanity.

2158 days ago
57.

dwts fan    

My take on Helen's comments are during sex that she said no but the man continued that is why I made my comments. If a person changes their mind at anytime, they should be respected.
I believe there are different degrees of rape from the most violent, vicious, unexpected attacks to "changing your mind" during sex because it's not right for you at that time. And each should have different degrees of punishment factoring in how often that person does that and if the person that was wronged claims that ALL the time, etc... it will always be a he said/she said thing unless there is videotape... sadly.
My post, #48, I should clarify that I was suffering from celiac disease and had yet to be diagnosed. A lot of things would make me nauseous after I ate, but since we didn't know at the time... it was a hit and miss what would. And then the motion of having sex sometimes made it so much worse... but again, we wouldn't know until we got started. If we got started, and I was uncomfortable in anyway... he would stop. I never said he went off in the corner or that I wasn't part of him finishing what we both started or that he wasn't touching me in some way. But he respected and loved me enough to not make me uncomfortable.
There are ways without having to have intercourse, if one person decides it's not right for them... and i did say ANYONE stating no, that the other one should stop. It would be hard if you are in the midst of an orgasm, I don't deny that. But people use the pull out method for birth control methods... so it can be done.
It is just a matter of how you feel about the person you are with. Somebody looking for a one night stand, a couple weeks fling, drunk or high aren't going to be as respectful with the person they are with... somebody wanting to be with another person for the rest of their life, will act the same in and out of the bedroom. I have that with my husband and cherish it... and now that I am healthy... my husband is happy he was the way he was when I was sick cuz we wouldn't have what we have now.

2157 days ago
58.

JEN2K    

The motives to have consentual sex are as complex as the human heart and mind and utterly defy standardization by civil or criminal law format. IF A WOMAN AGREES TO GIVE A MAN $10,000 - - - - PUTS THE CASH INTO HIS POSSESSION-HANDS BUT THEN SHE CHANGES HER MIND, IS THE MAN A CRIMINAL FOR NOT GIVING IT BACK? " NO MEANS NO " UNLESS CONSENTUAL PENITRATION HAS OCCURRED AT WHICH POINT " NO MEANS NO " IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ATTEMPT TO MANIPULATE CRIMINAL LAW TO PLAY GAMES - MANIPULATION - BLACKMAIL , ECT . . . . . .

SEX INVOLVES THE BLISSFULL ABANDONMENT OF THOUGHT AND REASON WHILE LETTING THE FORCES OF NATURE RULE THE BODY AND MIND. THOUGHT AND REASON CAN AND SHOULD APPLY LEADING INTO CONSENTUAL BUT HAVE NO PLACE " DURING SEX ".

I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I HAD CONSENTUAL SEX. IT TOOK MALE STRENGTH AND FORCE TO MAKE GOOD ON THE CONSENTUAL SEX.

THIS HE SAID SHE SAID B.S. HAS TO BE THE MOST COMPELLING REASON FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO VIDEO TAPE THEMSELVES HAVING SEX. FOR HER PROTECTION ! FOR HIS PROTECTION ! From parasite prosecutors who want thier piece of the "sex sells action".
#48 What you described as sex is nothing more than you playing games with a Man who has so little passion for you beating off in the corner feels better than touching you. How many seconds does your Husband have before you accuse him of rape or cut off his penis ?

So if " NO MEANS NO " stop right now after penitration and a Woman has her legs around his back with her ankles locked, is beginning or in the middle of orgasming with her eyes rolling back in her skull out of her skull with pleasure and the Man (or any gender combination) says " NO " STOP RIGHT NOW ! but she doesn't , she's guilty of rape ? Can he shoot this rapist to death ? Can he use any force and violence neccesary to stop the rape ? What parts of her body is he entitled to cut off equal to her entitlment to cut off his penis ? You and your type are an abomination of the human specices. You are parasites. You embrace and promote the abnormal and unnatural in the service of your vanity past the brink of insanity.

2157 days ago
59.

Buckostar    

If she lets you put it in, she needs to let you finish. Plain and simple!

2157 days ago
60.

wigcon    

Date Rape is too vague a term to cover all the variations of this crime. Sometimes being trapped in a room with someone casually known to the woman is classified as Date Rape, not just the times it happens after heavy petting. Helen Mirren shouldn't make blanket statements about a very complex issue, but then again, I haven't read the article so maybe she didn't.

2156 days ago
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