Rick Warren -- Out of the Closet!

61. Hmmm. He was in a GAY store. He bought BOOKS. Could we not say that Rick Warren was caught in a GAY BOOKSTORE?

Posted at 11:04PM on Dec 23rd 2008 by Mark Andrew

62. If I never knew who Rick Warren was and I saw him with this nice piece of eye-candy on his arm, I would assume that he was some bearish sugar daddy taking his 'cub' for a stroll. Or maybe a porn producer with his latest 'star', taking him shopping for some 'supplies' before the latest shoot.

Posted at 8:08AM on Dec 24th 2008 by Don Normann

63.
I don’t know about other religions, but in the Catholic Church marriage is a sacrament of our religion. Many Catholic’s believe that gay marriage mocks our sacrament. I’ve read a lot Christian bashing, which includes Catholics, on this post.

Marriage came about because of religion, (including Judaism), and has never been secular in nature. The concept of marriage never existed until it was made a part of religious ceremonies.

People can, and do get married in modern times, without any type of religion involved, but this kind of marriage evolved because it was “in the interest of the people” to protect the legal rights of any children born in the marriage.

Simple biology makes it impossible for two men or two women, to conceive a child on their own. There is always a need for a third party to be involved, to supply eggs or sperm, so that half of the genes of one of the gay partners will be present in the child.

Posted at 2:18AM on Dec 24th 2008 by DIANE T

64. Diane, how exactly is me wanting to get married mocking marriage? I could mock plenty of things about the catholic church, but marriage doesn't even make a blip on my screen.

"People can, and do get married in modern times, without any type of religion involved, but this kind of marriage evolved because it was “in the interest of the people” to protect the legal rights of any children born in the marriage."
Who exactly are you quoting here? Since when do you get to decide WHY two people get to marry? So if two people want to get married and they don't want to have children, they shouldn't be "allowed" to get married? Using your argument and "logic", that would be the case. Civil marriage is a lot more than protecting "the legal rights of any children born in the marriage". BTW, does that mean that any kids born out of wedlock have no rights?

"Simple biology makes it impossible for two men or two women, to conceive a child on their own. There is always a need for a third party to be involved, to supply eggs or sperm, so that half of the genes of one of the gay partners will be present in the child." What does that have to do with anything? Unless you are asserting that if the child isn't biologically related to both parents he/she isn't worthy of "rights"? If the institution of marriage IS in fact in place to "protect the legal rights" of the kids, shouldn't the kids of same sex couples be afforded the same protection?

When push comes to shove, your opinion about my civil rights shouldn't even matter. Civil rights should never be left up to popular vote.

Posted at 3:16AM on Dec 24th 2008 by Rich in Fresno

65. #26 said: Now last time i looked and read our forefathers signed the dec of indipendence to get away from the british rule because the british wanted no separation of church and state. and our forefathers wanted nothing to do with that. Hence the revolutionary war.

To which I can only reply:
The last time you looked and read? Clearly you didn't comprehend because you are grossly ignorant. The pilgrims left because they sought religious freedom; the pilgrims came here about 1620. The Revolutionary War was fought because colonials did not approve of taxation without representation and they didn't like being forced to quarter british soldiers in their home. The Revolutionary war was fought from 1775 to 1783. And people like you want people like me to depend on your version of historical events when you clearly don't even know what you are talking about. There is a passing of 155 years between when the pilgrims came here and when colonials fought to throw off the binds of british rule.

Posted at 4:19AM on Dec 24th 2008 by Quinn

66. I wonder what Sarah Palin's "end times" hillbilly paranoid church of Neanderthal superstition and panic would think of this Rick Warren the homosexual media whore trying to promote homosexuality within the Republican Party and on TV. Isn't that going to threaten donations by alienating the audience?

It might go like this: "Darn it all, gee whillickers, gosh, you know some time some campaign rep will have to issue a statement from the far right wing of the Republican party once they figure out which magazines to read so they hear about it, between episodes of "Helicopter Strafing of Wildlife - Relieving Sexual Frustrations in the backcountry Without Protection And Nailing the Government for more Child Support Show".

Posted at 6:26AM on Dec 24th 2008 by PolarBear

67. To Post #64: actually, marriage has been recognized by many cultures around the world going back as far as records and archeologists go. What is not consistent with modern marriage is the obsessive, undermining burden put on marriage by law, politics, parasitic religions, basically those outside the family involved. More primitive cultures had a far healthier wasy of handling it, in many cases, as long as those getting married chose who they married. Pre-selected marriages are not a sign of a healthy society or progress and are indicative of a demented society. Take all the women abused in India for example, by that insecure, juvenile, barbaric male mentality - those guys are extremely evil; killing, butchering, abandoning girls and women at their whim if the girls aren't ideal for arrangements. Talk about STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted at 6:36AM on Dec 24th 2008 by PolarBear

68. If RIck Warren is openly fat and gay, does that mean that President Bush is gay, if both are on the far right of the Republican Party? Bush is known for his use of pointless juvenile sexual slang in speeches, so what's the reason? Surely the females don't want to hear him talk like a 14-year old. Is it the closet gays Bush is trying to impress? Cheney too? Cheney looks like a creme puff and talks like a creme puff, must be a damned creme puff. Bush Administration = closet gays?

Vote honest = Democrat
Vote schizo = Republican

Posted at 6:48AM on Dec 24th 2008 by PolarBear

69. I wonder how long Warren would have stuck around and how much he would have purchased if Erol would have told him that he and his paparazzi pal were welcome to shop but there would be no photo-op?

Posted at 8:44AM on Dec 24th 2008 by BlueCollarJane

70. I am not gay. Nor am I homophobic. I do question why a belief that differs from your own about religious beliefs "obviously" makes one homophobic. The belief that homosexuality is a sin does not indicate homophobia it is a personal belief from personal interpretation of scripture. The fact that you interpret it differently does not make your belief "naturally" right just different. I am not a drinker of alcohol and as is typical of many evangelical church goers believe that drinking is a sin. Does that make me an alcoholphobe? I believe that adultery is a sin, does that make me a sexaphobe? Who is right in their belief is something that will only be decided on Judgement Day by the last true Judge. As a Christian I believe that that Judge will be the Lord Jesus. Does that make me an Islamaphobe or maybe a Buddhaphobe? I believe in a God of Love but the love is for the sinner not the sin. Not homophobe but rather conservative Christian with conservative Christian beliefs.

Posted at 8:36AM on Dec 24th 2008 by steve

71. Civil rights should never be left up to popular vote. Rich in Fresno. Ok then who should decide? An elitist group of like minded individuals to you? Led by a small group of closely minded people? And what should we call this elitist group umm
how about Nobles and the leaders oh I don't know Royalty? Oh wait that's what the Revolutionary War was about. Taxation without Representation was a great rally cry. A shorthand statement of outrage about rights and freedoms being decided not by the populace whose limits in those rights was being decided. Not by a populace who had a voice in what those rights were but by those who knew better than "the unwashed masses" No the majority is not always "right" but if the majority voice the opinion does any minority have the right to say nope your wrong and we will do it "my" way because I know better, I am better than you?

Posted at 9:27AM on Dec 24th 2008 by steve

72. Warren is a decent person unlike alot of the hateful gay rights people. Obama showed sense in picking him.

Disagree without being disagreeable.

Posted at 11:30AM on Dec 24th 2008 by JK

73. i commend erol for showing the hypocrisy that this guy spews...rick warren is an idiot...there are people like erol that should be applauded for taking a stand and in this new age of media this is the way that it is done ... beautifully executed from start to finish ..and to be a little shallow i have to add erol is a HOTT piece of eye candy ..but i digress

Posted at 11:35AM on Dec 24th 2008 by mark

74. This kind of problen will NEVER be resolved or excepted by the majority of this country because this is a christian country and christians beleve homosexurity is an abomination before god . that gay people must have some kind of problem , its their choice be be gay . and by running their mouths its making people hate them even more ! family , marrage a strong christian believe is the very foundation of this country and what made it great . nobody wants to take away their civic rights but to chip away the fabric of this country will not be permitted ! just be thankful your not gay in iran .

Posted at 2:26PM on Dec 24th 2008 by glen49

75. Warren is just another person who will go against the Bible and the Truth just to win attention and have people like him. Homosexual activity is a sin period, just like over eating, smoking, talking about others, adultry, stealing, etc... But just like any other sin it can be forgiven and the sinner should Pray and do all they can to avoid that sin in the future. This is all from God and the Bible there is no gray area or fence sitting allowed. But a lot of Christians do this to not offend anyone in a political correct country/world. God loves us all & forgives us all when we ask, but he does not change what he says period. We have let our Country that was (no matter what people say) founded on Christian principles be turned into just another country where history is re written just to make a minority happy. Seperation of CHurch and Sate is not in the Costitution, go check out the real history of our country. When you go back on what your Bible says and teaches then you are in a false religion & can never help others with God's teaching. Sometimes the truth hurts and is offensive to us that sin, but the truth with love is what is best just like bad tasting medicine sometimes. God bless our country in 2009 even though we don't deserve it.

Posted at 12:40PM on Dec 24th 2008 by Shadowwolf