Manson Gang Hideout -- The Smoldering Remains

16. #9 whynot, as i stated earlier Artie Help is in thailand on business. Don't be such a putz. of course he wasn't there.

Posted at 3:39PM on May 8th 2009 by mike botz

17. at #9 whynot, please don't include me in anything with artie help.

Posted at 3:40PM on May 8th 2009 by terri

18. Hey # 9, "whynot" I think that you and blogger Teri are the same person because you both post stupid, inane, moronic comments. Why don't you save all that hot air for you blow up doll girlfriend. And # 17 is not the real Mike Botz, I am.

Posted at 3:44PM on May 8th 2009 by Mike Botz

19. The fact this place was still standing and people were paying to see it is sick. It should be totally removed and destroyed. Anyone benefiting off the death or loss of another persons life is totally disgusting. Many people died at the hands of Mason and his followers. He didn't have to physically do it himself, he ordered it to be done and brainwashed his followers to commit the crimes they did. He should of been put to death just like the rest of his gang.

Posted at 3:49PM on May 8th 2009 by TORI

20. guilty as charged i was acting like you mike botz SORRY BITCHES.

Posted at 3:50PM on May 8th 2009 by toofastforyou

21. I recently saw show on the Barker ranch. Some forensic investigators got a permit to dig for possible remains of members fo the Manson family. The people who own the ranch don't let people go there. They did everything they could to make these people go away but a judge allowed it. After their daylong alotment of time to dig, it was called off and they had to leave. I imagine lots of people are happy this is up in flames now. Let it go....and let those poor souls rest in peace.

Re Wiki:
In early 2008, after decades of persistent rumors of additional Manson family murder victims, forensic investigators performed testing at the ranch for possible buried human remains. Using state of the art technology not available 40 years ago, investigators located several sites consistent with possible clandestine graves. In May 2008, investigators conducted a “dig” at the sites; however, further searching by authorities was called off due to finding no evidence or victim remains during the search.

Posted at 3:53PM on May 8th 2009 by GG

22. Hey toofatforyou, you are forgiven. If you want we can have dinner sometime. I will be in Atlantic City at the Borgata this weekend.

Posted at 3:57PM on May 8th 2009 by Mike Botz

23. drew - spahn's movie ranch and Barker ranch are 2 different places. Barker ranch is very remote in the desert. Spahn movie ranch was a movie set location that I think, was in LA.

Posted at 3:59PM on May 8th 2009 by Thomas

24. Sure it has historical value, just like the Jack the Ripper Tour in London has historical value. As a society, we're fascinated with killers.

But to rebuild it for the sake of rebuilding it as the place where Charles Manson and his crazy b****es hid out just goes to show that his brainwashing still continues to affect the general public. Don't treat it as a memorial to his evil actions. Leave the place as it is, and let time and nature take its toll on it.

Posted at 3:58PM on May 8th 2009 by DS

25. It is my understanding that the Barker Ranch was quite remote, but people visited and squatted there regularly. Someone probably burned it down by accident.

Posted at 3:59PM on May 8th 2009 by Arturo

26. I doubt it had any historical value. It was a rotting out old place and nobody has lived there since before Manson was squatting there. I think people still went out there to squat and visit. But, it was a dump and probably would have been condemned if it weren't in the middle of nowhere.

Posted at 4:00PM on May 8th 2009 by Arthur M.

27. It is very difficult to get to, so someone probably did not go out there to burn it down. It was probably a squatter or someone who started it by accident.

Posted at 4:05PM on May 8th 2009 by Carolyn

28. uh, WRONG..... people live under free will, ultimately it's up to the individuals to make the decisions for themselves, not the person telling them to..... but none the less, the crimes are a part of history, and the reasoning, and the psychology behind it is fascinating, always will be...

Posted at 4:05PM on May 8th 2009 by eccentric1329

29. To Drew: Spahn Ranch is in Chattsworth, CA and the Barker Ranch is located in Death Valley. Manson lived in Spahn ranch BEFORE moving to the Barker Ranch. But the family did reside in both locations for various lengths of time.

Posted at 4:05PM on May 8th 2009 by Anderson

30. Spahn Ranch was in Chatsworth, in the Santa Susana Pass.
I went up there after the murders, and went horse back riding up there.

The Manson Gang had long left or were already in jail.

... but there were still some rough looking guys up there hanging out. We offered them hashish in lieu of renting the horses but they wanted the money.

TRUE STORY

Posted at 4:07PM on May 8th 2009 by 420 GIRL