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'Sister Wives' -- Backlash in Polygamy Community

10/7/2010 6:48 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Kody Brown, his three wives, fiancée and 13 kids have created a house divided in his fundamentalist Mormon church.

Sister Wives

We're told before Brown decided to do "Sister Wives," he went to his Utah church for its blessing, but the main man -- called the "community leader" -- would not give Kody the thumbs up, because the law squarely outlaws bigamy and the church didn't want the heat. The community leader told Kody to make the decision himself ... and Kody chose to be a TV star. 

As for members of the church, we're told they're all down with polygamy but split on one of its families flaunting their lifestyle on TV.  Some church members feel it's too risky -- the old waving-the-red-flag-in front-of-the-bull thing. 

But despite the split, Kody and crew are still welcome at their house of worship.

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91.

TCR    

The only reason polygamy doesn't exist as a stated practice in the LDS/Mormon church anymore was so Utah could be admitted to the union. If it was not abolished they were not going to be admitted. It was very much practiced and still would be today if a legal foot wasn't put down. It wasn't a belief choice change it was a political cave in. It is basic history that you will see in "non-religious" history, information and do***entaries.
The biggest problem I have with anyone defending the LDS/Mormon faith is that they claim to be Christians. They are unequivocally not, and people who are not aware could be convinced otherwise Here are a few basic reasons. Let me know if anyone wants even more in depth reasons. The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. They deny that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.

1384 days ago
92.

TCR    

Oh and an addendum. I am not saying LDS/Mormon people are 'bad' people, just that they aren't Christians. Some of the LDS/Mormon people I know are very nice, kind, and 'moral' people- just not Christians.

1384 days ago
93.

NoBreederRat    

@Comment #15.

"The church is a very secretive church that does lots of bad things that you could never get the general public to talk about."

Are you sure you aren't confusing them with the Catholic Church or the Church of Scientology or... All churches are secretive and generally up to no good. If I wanted to disappear tomorrow in the shadow of my church I could. Which is the only reason to belong to any church.

1383 days ago
94.

Nick    

Who cares if they want to live together in a big pile? As long as they don't force their kids into it or arrange marriages for them who cares?

1383 days ago
95.

Rin    

I'm confused on why these people aren't in jail. Same thing when I watch the show Big Love which I will stick with since I can't stand reality TV. If it is illegal then why aren't they in jail? In a way I see it as really no different than an open marriage with boundaries, the person or people you screw with your spouses consent are actually bound to you forever. So again If it's legal to have an open marriage like many in Hollywood have claimed they have how is a religious, breeding multi marriage filled with love the BAD THING?

Either way if it's considered illegal then why isn't anyone in jail?

1383 days ago
96.

Tasha    

And here we see what evolves when the founder of a church (Joseph Smith) lied and subsequently had a "revelation" that said he was commanded by God to have multiple wives, up to and including marrying 14 year old girls and taking them to bed against their will. Don't believe me? Research your church, people. So these people are excommunicated or belong to the polygamist sect? It still all began with Joe Smith and his fantasy revelations from God in 1830-something. Emma Smith had it right, but even she couldn't control her oversexed, lust-filled husband who claimed to be a prophet of God. Not much has changed.

1383 days ago
97.

AS    

#94 I hate to tell you this but Mormon/LDS ARE Christians. Hence the name "The church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day saints." We believe in Christ making us Christian. Also to all of those who think they know so much about our church....I really don't think you do. If you did you would know we DO NOT believe in polygamy or bigamy or anything of the sort. If you wanna know what we believe in you can go here: http://mormon.org/ or also see our view on families here: http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html
It clearly states our beliefs. I just get sick of people thinking they know what they are talking about and really have no clue. I also just find it rude to put someone down because of their religion. You don't have to agree with them but that doesn't mean you should treat them like they're not a human being. I grew up with plenty of friends that were not LDS like I am and have met so many people of other religions that are kind and caring and very respectful. Its just no wonder our country is the way it is today because people are losing respect for one another and we're losing our freedoms. Plus it doesn't help when shows like this get put on the air and people still associate it with Mormons when that's clearly not the case. These people should be prosecuted for what they're doing. They are breaking the law.

1382 days ago
98.

TCR    

AS,
LDS/Mormons are in no way or form a Christian. You can use the word Jesus Christ in your name, but again you are not a Christian. Anymore than a Jehovah Witness is a Christian. Jehovah is another word for God. You may believe you are a Christian but that doesn't make you one. I firmly believe in the freedom of religion and do not think you are 'bad' people. But, I take serious issue with you lying to vulnerable and uneducated people and telling them you are a Christian. Believing in Christ does not make oneself a Christian. That is a very topical answer. Jewish followers believe in Christ. But, they do no profess to be Christians.

I would love for you to go into great detail explaining how living on celestial planets and baptizing the dead is Christian.

1382 days ago
99.

Lynda    

ToBJL411 - I have lived in Utah most of my life and have never met anyone who has multiple wives. You have some facts that are very mixed up. I am not sure where you lived in Utah but I have lived all over the state and have never once seen a group of 14 year old girls with babies nor have I seen an underage marriage. I strongly disagree with your portrayal of the state. Also, we do celebrate the 4th of July but the 24th of July is a state holiday. It is when our state was founded.
(I have lived in other states where they have state holidays is Utah not allowed the same tradition?)You have taken some accurate information and twisted it for your own gain. It proves you to be the idiot that you are but what ever floats your boat!

1381 days ago
100.

joy moffett    

Wow, commenter No #15 is way off base. I lived and raised my children in Ca. and now live in Utah. Nothing of the previous comment is correct. They seem to forget that the LDS church are the ones that founded Utah and made many sacrifices to travel there in the 1800's. They believe in following the laws of the land and being obedient to Gods commandments. Those that practice polygamy are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Baptisms for the dead are spoke of in the Bible and was practice in the Old Testament time in the temples of that time. Those baptisms are not good unless the individual accepts that work otherwise it means nothing.
It's obvious that the previous individual has a warped understanding the church. And he obviously has no clue what the heck he is talking about. What he is talking about the Main church is the LDS church and the others are Wards. Because of the size of the church it is divided into areas so that temporal and spiritual needs are meet. They are all considered the LDS church. Divided by areas in which you live which are Wards and then around 6-8 wards make a STake with a Leader to direct and lead them and help them but only under the direction the the
President of the church,
It's obvious that the previous blogger did not take the time in his five years to learn about the true doctrines of the church. And please tell me why would you be offended by someone bringing you some cookies or homemade bread to welcome you into the neighborhood. They are not their to convert you.
The LDS DOES celebrate the 4th of July in fact one of the largest celebrations are held at the BYU stadium.
They also celebrate the 24th of July because that is when they arrived in Utah after much tribulation. Because of nasty individuals who did not respect the Freedom of Religion which was promised through the constitution.
As for the remark to adultry , how dare you? We consider that a major sin. Obviously it's something the majority of individuals practice on a regular day. I see all this bad mouthing of a church that has close to 1400 million people of which the majority are outside the United States.
Try watching TV and see all the immorality, such as adultry, sex prior to marriage and all kinds of perverted images and the world considers this normal and acceptable and yet it condemns a church who believe this is sin. But you point your fingers at the LDS church encouraging their members to be honest, faithful to the laws of God.
As for million dollars Wards is an absolute lie. In the Bible it states that you are to give ten percent of you income to the building of Gods church. The money which is willingly given and is never forced. The monies which is given goes to help the needy and supporting the education of the kids who are attending church colleges and to maintaing church buildings.
The church believes in helping in all disasters. They are the first to come to aid in most natural disasters and continue sending millions of dollars to providing food and meeting the needs of people throughout the world. Isn't it wonderful that the church is prepared to help those in need and taking the burden off of the government.
There is not 14 year old girls pushing strollers around the malls. Never seen one in the 10 years I have lived here. You may see an older sister pushing a sibling in a stroller. Is there problems with early pregnancy in Utah. Yes, the same as anywhere else. The commandments are clear but we are human and we are all aware we are not perfect and make mistakes and make incorrect choices. Commandments are there to bring you happiness not to make your life meserable. Just like laws of the land are there to keep you safe and happy. Show someone who is breaking God's commandments and are happy. If they think they are happy tells me they don't have a clue what true happiness is.
We not an occult, we believe in free agency and no one is forced to live the commandments.

I'm amazed how the LDS church is singled out among all the churches in the world. I guess Satan would only oppose truth, right? Are the people perfect inside the church, of course not, no one is perfect on this earth. Our goal is to become like Christ and live with him again.

Don't knock something you don't understand. Study it for yourself and if you don't like it's teachings then find another church (or not) because ignorance is bliss.

1380 days ago
101.

Javaearth    

Regarding comment #15, & comment number #102. I have lived in Northern Utah for 5 years now. These are the things I see:

1) People are nice initially but once they know you are not part of their herd, they are will be polite to you, but never actually become your friends.

2)Most people want 5 to 6 kids, and many families have 5 to 6 kids. Which is rather interesting considering that many families can not afford such big families, and go into bankrupcy. Utah was the number one state for people to lose their homes (even before the housing crash).

3) Young people live very cookie cutter life styles. The young boys go on Mission, to other poor parts of the world to convert people to Mormonism. When thy return they get married very quickly. Here a young couple will usually meet, date for a few months, get married and have their first few children by the age of 20! - Sad thing is their religion pushes the, to marriage and many many many children, however the divorce rate is still the same as people that are non believeing.

4) Utah is also number one for women taking anti depressant meds. I am suppose having so many children and very little real self-identity can lead to anyone pop pills!

5) People in Utah are caring, and they do make an effort to help others. I know that the Mormon church would help many people in need regardless of their religious backgroud.

6) I personally love living in Utah, it has great mountions, and as I am not a Mormon, I have learnt to not have real friends! Sure I know geat people, but non-mormons can never really make a real friendship with a Mormons. Mormons are so busy with their template lifestyles, they really do not have the need to explore outside.

7) Women are not respected in the work force. Mormonmen see womens place in the home, raising little - and many - children. The women that are working, are considered second class. I have seen so many companies, and rarely do you see women in positions of authority. Most women are in either medical care or lower levels work force.

8)But like I said, by not having friends here that are many good benefits. Example, I spend more quality time with my husband and spend time in doing things I love.

9) Utah government is very LDS fueled. Thoughts of reform and progression are very lacking. It is very male and LDS dominated.

The thing that puzzples me the most is the 5 kids! Mormons believe that the more kids they have the more they will be rewarded in the after life! - Does it mean that a couple that only has one or two children that have more resources for the success of the children are seen less in Gods eyes?

In sum, Mormons, are not bad, but they are just very definate in their template lifestyles.

1379 days ago
102.

Michaelangelo     

All this awesome Polygamy shows makes me sick. Why don't some people grow some brains and find out the truth? I just sit and laugh how lies and rumors spread and NOBODY has actually taken the time to seek the truth about these so called "Mormons," You can't even get that right! "Mormons" ARE CHRISTIANS, BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST IN ANCIENT AMERICA 36 B.C. They are now finding artifacts of ancient Mayan ruins with literature in The Book of Mormon.

1378 days ago
103.

enlightened    

One man and plural wives? No matter what you call it, he's a dirty old man. He protects his addiction to lust in the name of God. How disgusting.

I feel sorry for wife #1. Imagine how she felt when he started bringing in all the others. Each one of the women should have had the privilege of one man reserved for her for life. Instead, she is relegated to the back of the bus to make way for the others when he is not amused with her anymore, whether she likes it or not. If she objects, then she is "selfish." Marriage vows say the "two shall become one" not "the five shall become one." I wonder how he would feel if she gets a good look at mainstream society and decides she would like multiple partners, too. Would he say she is "having an affair" and that he has had to pray to "put up with her"? Hey, what's good for the gander ought to be good for the goose. But, I imagine he would lament the evil ways of his wife while he is off chasing whatever comes out from under the rock. The pity of it is that these women have nowhere else to go. They are stuck there, with children to care for. They can't run away. They have to put up and shut up. Be thankful you are not in it.

The ancient Israelites may have needed to populate a nation 3000+ years ago, but we don't live 3000 years ago. We have more people now than we can feed.

Some people are following polygamy now, don't claim to be Mormons, but use the polygamy as their lifestyle because "Daniel and Solomon did it and God didn't zap them". It's happening in more places than Utah, people. Check out your neighbors. It might be happening right in your own neighborhood.

Unfortunately for the children who live in these homes, they could be permanently messed up for life, emotionally and psychologically, if they are moved out of these polygamous neighborhoods and set down in a conventional neighborhood perhaps due to dad's job. Who are they with all day? Schools, teachers, churches of the majority: conventional society. And yet their parents are insisting that this counterculture/subculture is the ok right way to do things. So the children abandon their parents for the preferred way in society, which is probably 99% of the population of the U.S. Example is the Amish teens who are allowed to spend a year out in the larger society and go to a college somewhere. The idea is to choose which culture they like best. Most of them do NOT return to the Amish lifestyle. If children raised in polygamy are ever subjected to the humiliation that society will dish out to them because of what their parents are doing, they could be messed up forever, thanks to their parents' lustful desires and stubborn refusal to conform to the law and to society's conventional behavior. Another possibility? The child could also turn to deviance to get away from the oddball parent who insists that his way is the right way when everyone else in the community is monogamous. Think of how embarrassing this behavior would be for the children in that household. These kinds of things leave lasting impressions on young children that stay with them forever. The middle class makes the rules for conventional behavior, and we expect the rest of society to follow the rules. The rules are made for society's benefit and well being, not to harm them. When they don't follow the rules, they are teaching their children rebellion, and they will suffer the consequences. One consequence is that the children get away from home, perhaps change their last names, perhaps move far away from the embarrassment of what their parents are doing. Their rejection of parents takes on many forms.

What about the few wives who do get away from it and take their children along? Think of the anger that is transferred to the child, who then refuses to have anything to do with their sinful fathers. What kind of lessons are these for our children?

Notice that most of these polygamous people stay in a polygamous community for a reason, and they don't want anyone else in there. Why? Because they know that what they are doing is rejected by the huge majority. So why is it rejected? They know why. I feel so sad for their confused children. If you want to know what's wrong with a child, take a look at what their parents are doing. I work with children in a professional capacity, and we see this truth over and over again. Most children's problems are a direct result of what their parents are doing. There is a reason why these people do what they do, and they are too stubborn to change their ways. God says, "stubbornness is as the sin of witchcraft."

1377 days ago
104.

enightened    

One man and plural wives? Dirty old man. He protects his addiction for lust in the name of God. It's disgusting. We don't have to "populate a nation" anymore. That was for 3000 years ago. Conventional society does not approve of this lifestyle. He better keep everyone in Utah because his wives may decide to have their own love affairs if they get around conventional society - they might turn the tables on him if they ever see how they have been "had." Talk about a double standard. They have missed out on so much that should have always been reserved for each of of them alone.

1377 days ago
105.

TCR    

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.
Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17). Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5). See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity is.

Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, the Mormon is not Christian -- in spite of all their claims that they are Christians.

http://carm.org/is-mormonism-christian

As I have said in previous posts. I am not trying to vilify Mormon's/LDS Church. My only point being Mormonism/LDS church believers are not Christians. This doesn't make them bad people, just not Christians.

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