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MJ Fans: Oprah's Molestation Show Is No 'Coincidence'

11/3/2010 8:30 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

An official MJ fan group ain't buying Oprah's "purely coincidental" excuse -- telling us, they are "angry and disappointed" that she's airing her interview with MJ's kids days after a special on child molestation.

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A rep for the Official Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California tells TMZ, “We are both angry and disappointed in Oprah’s constant need to reference child molestation shows prior to airing Michael Jackson related episodes.  Her tone seems to speak volumes.”

Oprah called the whole thing "purely coincidental" ... but MJ fans aren't convinced. The rep adds, “How can something so obvious be a coincidence?"

As we previously reported, Oprah's big interview with Michael Jackson's children is scheduled to air next Monday -- three days after Friday's big show ... entitled "200 Adult Men Who Were Molested Come Forward."


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106.

HumanNature    

TO THE HATERS!!!

The Plot to frame Michael Jackson

Wednesday April 28, 2004

In 1993, Evan Chandler claimed that Michael Jackson had molested his son. He pursued child-abuse charges in a civil rather than a criminal court because that is what crafty extortionists do. Clearly, anybody Who seeks a financial payoff in lieu of a criminal prosecution is not to be taken seriously, and no self-respecting prosecutor would do anything beyond charge Evan Chandler for conspiring to extort money from Michael Jackson.

Chandler and Jackson ultimately reached an out-of-court settlement, and lawyers for both men announced the deal in a joint, one-page statement wherein Michael Jackson twice asserted his innocence. Two years after the agreement was signed, Chandler claimed that Michael Jackson violated the terms of their agreement because Michael Jackson continued to assert his innocence. Did Evan Chandler think that time would give him the opportunity to fade the memory that Michael Jackson paid him off without sacrificing the claim that he was innocent? That is evidently what Evan Chandler thought, because after filing a civil suit which was reportedly settled out of court in 1994, Evan Chandler demanded another $60... million dollars in 1996.

Evan Chandler thought that Michael Jackson was his own private goose that laid the golden egg. In 1996, he went back to court and demanded 60 million dollars, on a foundation of absurd allegations like the demand to impose a ban on the lyrics of Michael Jackson's HIStory album and to replace them with a so called, non-offensive rendition called EVANstory. You probably think that this is a joke, but it isn't. It's Michael Jackson's Waco critics, and since discovering the fact that the media is more interested in publicizing sexual assault allegations against Michael Jackson, the bizarre truth is rarely promoted.

In retrospect, sexual molestation charges against Michael Jackson are too frivolous to take seriously. If Evan Chandler was a conscientious father who was genuinely concerned about the claim that Michael Jackson had sexually molested his child, he would have delivered Jackson's head on a silver platter, he would not have merely sought to pick his pocket. Moreover, when Evan Chandler allowed Michael Jackson to state his innocence TWICE in the joint statement they released, to settle the sexual allegation lawsuit, he essentially proved that Michael Jackson was the only one who cared about justice. Those who were not in it for the sake of lining the pockets of all involved failed to indict the extortionists, and that is the ultimate tragedy that the current, sexual assault allegations, media circus, even more outrageous than the previous one.

Make no mistake about it, Evan Chandler was never concerned about presenting evidence that his son was sexually molested and assaulted, to a prosecutor. Instead, he focused on the obsession to manufacture a fiction, and to find a mouthpiece, to promote it. Quoted in GQ Magazine, Evan Chandler said, “This attorney I found, I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find. All he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can, and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s very smart, and he’s hungry for the publicity.” In describing the plot to destroy Jackson, Chandler said, "There are other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in certain positions. I’ve paid them to do it. Everything’s going according to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy [his attorney, Barry K. Rothman, presumably] is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him full authority to do that.”

Chandler's Attorney, Barry Rothman, was certainly the sort to exploit the opportunity that Michael Jackson presented. According to a former colleague, to know Rothman is to believe that Barry could have “devised this whole plan, period. This [making allegations against Michael Jackson] is within the boundary of his character, to do something like this.” The manipulation and deceit that Rothman practices has earned him a reputation for stiffing people, and Michael Jackson is not the only man who has earned the right to hate him. His credit profile lists more than thirty creditors and judgment holders who were after him, and that's only a list of those who bothered. It is no wonder that his former wife is perplexed over the fact that someone hadn't "done him in".

In a nutshell, Barry Rothman, the man who "develops" Michael Jackson's accusers is a certified fraud artist. His entire life is a portrait of a deadbeat loser who routinely filed for bankruptcy after creating shell companies to hide his assets and thereby defraud his creditors. Barry Rothman is essentially an unindicted felon, and the failure to put him in jail where he belongs, is extremely peculiar. Is law enforcement that restricted or incompetent?

It is not possible to reasonably dispute the claim that Evan Chandler hired Barry Rothman to hatch the opportunity to exploit his relationship with Michael Jackson. In 1993, Chandler said, “I had a good communication with Michael. We were friends. I liked him and I respected him and everything else for what he is. There was no reason why he had to stop calling me. I sat in the room one day and talked to Michael and told him exactly what I want out of this whole relationship. What I want.” We certainly found out what Evan Chandler wanted when he demanded a further 60 million dollars, to settle outrageous complaints. But let's get serious here. If Michael Jackson had in fact molested his son, a serious, mature parent would not go around saying, "Gee....there was no reason the alleged molester had to stop calling me."

Like his lawyer, Evan Chandler is a certified loser. Indeed, the very day he filed papers against Michael Jackson, he filed custody proceedings against his former wife, because Evan Chandler required the custody of Jordan Chandler to pocket Michael Jackson's money, and that is the 2nd worst case of child abuse, that has been orchestrated in the name of the law. A bitter custody dispute that is inspired by the sleazy obsession to control what is in effect, an "extortion estate" manifests motivations that are so mean and ugly, that it is even easier to excuse the disgusting deeds of pedophiles who acts out of addiction, rather than out of the conscious disregard that leads one to "destroy everybody in sight" to use Chandler's own words.

Let us be explicit, shall we. Prior to discovering the tooth fairy, Evan Chandler was a deadbeat dad who divorced in 1985. The court awarded sole custody of Michael Jackson's child molestation accuser to his mother and ordered Chandler to pay $500 a month in child support. By 1993, Chandler owed his ex-wife $68,000, and instead of assuming his responsibilities, he chose to extort Michael Jackson.

To be sure, it takes more than one deadbeat, to abuse the legal system, and if his lawyer was not a fellow deadbeat loser, it is difficult to imagine how the plot to obtain custody of Michael Jackson's accuser would have existed, but it did. The conduct of Evan Chandler reflected the actions of a man who essentially "hijacked" the law. When Evan Chandler asked his ex-wife to allow the boy to stay with him for a “one-week visitation period,” and then refused to return the boy, the motivation behind the bitter custody battle that ensued, was very clear. It would have been nice if Chandler had the boys best interest in mind, but he was merely executing the plan of a corrupt legal mind like Barry Rothman, and you can take that claim to the very same bank that cashed Michael Jackson's cheques.

The plot gets thicker. After snatching control of the son he had abandoned, the boy was administered the controversial drug sodium Amytal, to reduce his resistance to planting suggestions, and it was after this session that Michael Jackson's accuser learned that he had been molested. In other words, when you connect all the dots, it is very clear and obvious that Chandler and Rothman had no intention of abiding by a visitation agreement which was nothing more and nothing less than a ploy to exploit a child for the sake of extorting Michael Jackson.

Having cultivated the field, Barry Rothman sought an expert’s opinion to help establish the allegations against Jackson. The expert, a psychologist who was ethically bound to report allegations of sexual abuse, contacted the police, and that is when they got involved. Prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, spent millions of dollars and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found, and the police spared no expense in the effort -they even traveled to Australia, to interview kids who had slept in Michael Jackson's bedroom. Even the current claim that a cancer patient who stayed at Jackson's Neverland Ranch on a few occasions, was sexually molested, has been investigated by child welfare authorities and proven to be unfounded. It should be a federal offense to duplicate an investigation which has repeatedly proven to be an utter waste of time and resources, because the pedophiles who are currently sexually assaulting children, are on the street because legitimate law enforcement lacks the required resources to put all the creeps on the street out of business.

To be sure, Tom Sneddon says that child welfare authorities did not investigate sexual assault allegations, they conducted interviews. Okay, they conducted interviews and determined that the allegations were unfounded. When Jackson's former attorney, Mark Geragos was in court defending Scott Peterson, 40 police officers and 20 FBI agents raided Michael Jackson's property. Is that what Tom Sneddon calls an investigation?

The mother of the current complainant is a seasoned shakedown artist. J.C. Penney Co. paid the boy's family $137,500 in November 2001, to settle a lawsuit alleging security guards beat the boy, his mother and his brother in a parking lot after the boy left the store carrying clothes he hadn't been paid for. Two years after the confrontation, the mother decided that one of the guards had sexually assaulted her, making it the first time in history that a security guard has been able to get away with beating up a child and sexually assaulting the mother, in the process of trying to prevent a burglary. This disturbed woman who is being used because she has a history of exploiting false, criminal allegations should be pitied, she should not be "in the custody" of those who seek to extort Michael Jackson.

The current case against Michael Jackson is not a serious prosecution because it reflects the same earmarks of another cultivated witness who is being used to further extort Michael Jackson, and the suggestion that the similarities are merely a coincidence is manifest delusion.

Regardless, the same ploy of using an expert's opinion to help establish manufactured allegations will never triumph where Michael Jackson is concerned because there is absolutely no excuse for revisiting the scam that is responsible for extorting money through phony, sexual assault allegations.

No reasonable person can dispute the simple fact that Michael Jackson was and is innocent. The blatant greed and exploitation of the effort to use a child, cancer victim to extort money from Michael Jackson, would be difficult to imagine without people like Barry Rothman, Evan Chandler, and the mother of the latest accuser.

Like Evan Chandler, the mother of the latest complainant initially contacted a civil lawyer, and it certainly did not take long to determine the need to develop a new angle to divert attention away from the fact that this latest extortion attempt is exactly the same as the previous one -it is all about money, and only somebody like Nancy Grace, Diane Dimond or Tom Sneddon, would suggest otherwise. Most people are not that ignorant.

Fickle talking heads that include Tom Sneddon have repeatedly claimed that changes in the law are responsible for the fact that charges are currently being pursued in criminal rather than in civil court, but do you buy the crap of some of the same idiots who claimed that Howard Dean was going to be the triumphant, Democratic Nominee? The fact of the matter is, the latest accuser is pursuing Jackson in criminal court because she has absolutely no choice. The civil suit route to extort money from Michael Jackson cannot possibly be duplicated until Michael Jackson is criminally convicted. Even George Bush understands the validity of “fool me once shame on you...” why doesn’t Tom Sneddon and all the pundits who insist that changes in the law are responsible for the current change in venue?

The credibility of those who claim that Michael Jackson sexually molested a child has already been flushed down the toilet. Indeed, the very same sexual molestation complainants who are responsible for the current charges against Michael Jackson are recorded on tape, praising the King of Pop for providing support, love, guidance and advice, and the boy's mother even said that God had blessed them by bringing Jackson into their lives. Kimberley Guilfoyle, who is herself an intelligent prosecutor, has heard the tape, and indicated that this evidence is extremely damaging to the prosecution. Why is Tom Sneddon trying to create the impression that the proven liars who are accusing Michael Jackson, are credible? Is he that desperate?

The attorney for the father of the boy who is currently alleging that he was molested by Michael Jackson, is one of many voices who have exposed the shakedown artists that are currently seeking to extort Michael Jackson. According to attorney, H. Russell Halpern, the boys father believes the boy's mother is unfit and does not believe that Michael Jackson abused his son. In his own words, "either she places a child in a home in which he's in danger of being molested, or the alternative, she is encouraging a child to make false accusations. Either way, it makes her unfit." If prosecutors cannot even convince the boys own father that his son was sexually molested, what makes them believe that they can convince a jury?

Thomas Mesereau Jr., is not Barry Rothman or Thomas Sneddon, he is an intelligent, ethical, highly respected attorney who will make sure that anybody who further seeks to extort Michael Jackson will add an orange jumpsuit to his or her wardrobe. Kind of suits somebody like Thomas Sneddon, doesn't it? Nobody can really be that dumb, can they? Ignorance is no excuse, is it? Michael Jackson is innocent. The questions are merely a manifestation of the extreme obscenity of the current, sexual molestation charges against the pop icon with the deep pockets.

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107.

Angela    

WHO GIVES A CRAP!!!! people believe what they want. Get a life and heal the world.

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108.

Dez    

I don't get it. She's been doing SEVERAL shows this season alone on child molestation. She's a victim/survivor of it so its natural that she wants to help spread the word about the issue. I think its a coincidence. So if Friday's episode wasn't showing would they complain that it was a coincidence that she included the interview this season after she's already done 3 or more shows on the issue? GTFO.

1449 days ago
109.

Jack    

I can't believe how stupid MJ fans are. Oprah is airing the molestation show on Friday because that show stars Tyler Perry who is opening his movie COLORED GIRLS on Friday. If there's any connection between the Friday show and the monday Jackson show, it's that Janet Jackson is in the movie Tyler Perry is promoting on Friday. I FREAKING HATE Michael Jackson now. His fans think the whole world revolves around him, and they're such idiots, that they are the ones dragging molestation back into the headlines. The way his fans get so defensive every time anyone dares to talk about molestation really shows how insecure they are in MJ's innocence.

And Oprah just aired a show about her and Gayle going camping the day after two shows about gay icons (Portia & Ricki Martin) coming out of the closet? Is she trying to spread rumours about herself? Good Lord MJ fans are idiots. He has got have the dumbest fans of anyone in media and I believe you can judge a leader by the followers he attracts.

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110.

Sunshine    

Look at that picture of Jacko and tell me if you honestly believe that he was into women.Is that the face of a heterosexual male?

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112.

bring back recent posts    

Oprah has blind followers, they r the same ones who follow Palin..SCAREY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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113.

Angela    

You people need to realize that you can neither talk against nor for Mr. Jackson, because the truth is no one really knows; except Mr. Jackson, the Lord above, and those children.
Even when someone confesses something that could be a lie as well.

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114.

Elaine - Brazil    

Oprah, please, leave michael alone. Why connect again MJ’s name with cases of pedophilia? This is disrespect with his memory, his children and his mother. It is not a coincidence. It is disrespect, it is a cruelty with Michael's children.

1449 days ago
115.

MIssy    

To #9=Oprah did have a child! When she was very young (a boy) and he passed away.....I think she tries to do good for people. I am currently listening to the Kitty Kelley biography on Audio CD and it is not very beaming on Ohrah's end of the deal..nobody would like someone else to tell your life, I am sure the facts can be construed for sure...

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116.

T    

Hey MJ fans I want to tell you something......Get a life will you people!
When I was your age, I lived life, and I went out lived. I didn't build my life around the worship of Entertainer like MJ.

You there on the previous post...have you ever been on a date or kissed a boy?
I didn't think so.

So MJ fans I tell you, move out of your parents basements and get out into the real world that does not involve the worship of fantasies. Time to get a life and experience what goes along with it.

1449 days ago
117.

mjlover456    

Look, I'm the 1st person to say I find Oprah's treatment of MJ questionable, but this whole situation is 100% THE JACKSON'S FAULT, not Oprah's. She (or any other member of the media) should have NEVER been allowed ANYWHERE NEAR THESE KIDS!!! How on God's green earth could Katherine Jackson EVER think that this would be OK &/or in line with MJ's wishes for his kids???!!! This should NOT be an issue, BECAUSE THESE KIDS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN INTERVIEWED OR PUT IN THIS POSITION TO BEGIN WITH!!!

I'm just so scared for the future of the kids. I do NOT hate the Jackson Family, but their behavior and choices are REVOLTING. To quote MJ: "I'm raising my children different from how I was raised; I was raised a "Jackson", but my personal family [my kids] are being raised different, they are "Michael Jackson's." It makes me sad because I do not see how there is anyway MJ's wish for his kids will come true and I fear they too will end up being "Jackson's" and becoming everything MJ deplored & was determined to steer them away from. I PRAY I AM WRONG.


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1449 days ago
118.

kim    

I don't think this is much of mj fans complaining about this as is TMZ just stirring the pot. They know which buttons to push and they probably heard a rumor that a few fans were complaining about this and just ran with the story and over exploited it. This would not be the first time they have done this if it is true. they want the hits because more hits on here means more money for them. I mean just look how many stories they threw out here in the last few days. MJ makes them money and his has made them a buttload since his death. And if they can put a story out there whether its little truth or lots, they will stir that pot enough to get the fans commenting and the haters also. just my 2 cents. been on here since his death and have seen the pattern many, many times.

1449 days ago
119.

MJ215062009    

"I was wandering in the rain"
Masked for live, feeling insane,
Swift and sudden fall from grace
Happy Days seem far away,
Kremlins shadow belittling me,
Stalins tomb won't let me be,
On and On and On the came,
Take my Name and just let me be"

Here abandoned in my fame,
Armaggedon of the brain,
KGB was stalking me
Take my name and just let me be,
And a beggar called my name
Happy Days will drown the pain,
On and on and on they came
and again and again
Take my name and just let me be.

Thank you people of the US OF A, for killing one of your most outstanding sons of the soil. I hope you are proud of yourselves.

1449 days ago
120.

MJ215062009    

The letters come from all over the world—Canada, Indonesia, Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, Japan, Germany, Africa, Romania, Viet Nam… people everywhere are grieving Michael. Many have had visions, visitations and messages from him after his death. Some are doing work on his behalf and some are reclaiming his legacy. All of them understand on a very deep level that this man was special.

Michael’s death had an impact on fans, admirers and even people on the outer orbits of anything Michael. Many have asked why they have been so impacted by this singular event and this singular individual. The short answer is that Michael awakened many on the planet before his death and his death itself awakened many more. People who have never before been interested, are researching him; many who have not considered themselves talented are now finding their inner artist; and many thousands more are doing humanitarian work around this globe in Michael’s name—“Michaeling” by donating to charities, organizing fund raisers, holding conferences and gifting needy children and vulnerable others. They are taking Michael’s “you can change the world” literally and applying it to their lives and work. They are making Michael proud. While they feel a little better, the personal grief remains intense.

What they often don’t understand is how and why their grief is so gritty and so deep. Some of these Michael people are new advocates never having been fans or listened to his music. Some are long time fans who have followed Michael’s career since the days of the Jackson Five. But all have in common their admiration and affection for Michael Jackson.

Many of them have told me they are surprised by the impact Michael’s passing had on them—equivalent to a magnitude 7 or 8 earthquake on the Richter Scale. The ones who didn’t know Michael, didn’t listen to his music are really puzzled how affected they are by his loss. Some of them have experienced this grief as they would have a close loved one yet they never knew him before. Some didn’t know how deeply they could hurt. Some feel as if his leaving awakened something in them. It did. Many embarked on a personal spiritual journey begun by an emergency that his death triggered. Janet Jackson said “To you Michael was an Icon; to us Michael was family.” While that is technically true if measured by flesh and blood, Michael was the lifeline of many. He was the one voice of sanity in a world gripped by so much insanity. For many, he was their hope, their confidante, their role model, their leader or guru. He represented the way out or the way forward. He was someone who came from nothing and became something larger than life. Michael’s voice soothed. His lyrics put many of their hopes, thoughts and prayers into words. For some, he represented their light in a world that was otherwise hopelessly dark.

When Michael Jackson left this planet he took his immediate light with him. That light was anchored here for 50 years and its sudden withdrawal left people reeling and feeling empty. Their tears were and are spontaneous, their sorrow is suffocating. Many not only did not know him before, but they did not know their own spectrum of feelings before.

The seminal work by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross on Death and Dying identified a roadmap of what the normal grieving process looks like. That first work has been expanded upon since it was first introduced and there are many models. Nobody follows the predicted path exactly, and the layers of grieving can mingle and be revisited at any stage. The progression of grief usually follows the path of: Initial shock, denial, pain, guilt, anger, bargaining, depression, reflection, loneliness, working through, reconstruction, acceptance, and hope. When an individual works through sufficient grief, there may be a reprieve period where feelings are muted and the process is not linear but cyclic.

In the case of Michael Jackson the normal process of grieving is complicated by many factors that do not accompany most losses and the grieving of the lost object of affection. Those who knew Michael personally have had a difficult time but the fans have had the most difficult.

The fans, while they knew Michael intimately, did not actually meet him and weren’t a part of his inner circle. Instead of being involved and included in the provisions of dealing with his preparation, funeral, interment, visitations and so on, they are forced to be mere observers and “outsiders.”They have had no say in how Michael’s passing was handled. For most, Michael was an intimate part of their lives and being an outsider leaves them with a feeling of helplessness.

Add to that the impossibility of the media and the press coverage of Michael and how he has been, and is now—portrayed so visibly in the world. They know the man’s heart and they have researched the facts and know him to be an innocent. They also know what a consummate humanitarian Michael was and how that part of his life has been overlooked.

The media managed to hypnotize a public into believing a caricature of this man and just continues to spew the party line and each time that happens, the fans who know better wince. Not only do they wince, but they feel that knife go into his back and empathically, theirs each time the lies are repeated. Once again, they feel helpless. There is also the issue of those “unauthorized biographers” whose careers were, and wealth was, built upon the dismemberment of a man who truly was a light unto the world. The man who was the world’s greatest cheerleader, humanitarian and philanthropist was turned into a dark figure in the collective memory of the twentieth century and that hurts. It is especially vile when the realization hits that the dismembering of this gentle man was perpetrated only for profit. The manufactured books and stories about Michael Jackson sold and billions of dollars were made from siphoning the life from the man.

Fans are angry not just because that is a phase of the journey of grief; they are a disenfranchised voice of reason. They are the whistleblowers who are trying to tell the hypnotized public that they are under the influence of an illusion and that this practice is not only dangerous but inhumane. They also have to deal with the disdain that has developed about “those crazy Michael Jackson fans.” The frenzy among the fans is somewhat an acting out of their anger, grief and helplessness. It’s true that some of it appears crazy and doesn’t help Michael’s legacy and is a lashing out from frustration. They don’t know how else to do it. They are flailing in grief and aiming at anything that moves. They are in the throes of it, their backs to the wall in order to hold themselves up. It’s not pretty sometimes but grief is not lovely. And senseless loss is the worst kind. They know Michael did not have to die.

Michael Jackson fans are grieving in a way that is not normal in an atmosphere that is not normal. Normally the deceased is eulogized in a reverent way, their contributions to others and the world highlighted. Their lives are celebrated and revered. Normally, they have some closure. There is no closure with the death of Michael Jackson. It is not a normal grieving process because the hype, reaction, media slant and opinions of those who didn’t know Michael taint the process. If the real Michael Jackson were globally exposed tomorrow and people would actually see how they have been duped and led by the nose into believing the tabloid version of the man, the fans could take a deep breath. If the real story were actually released into the culture and people started to understand this one they have believed an enigma, the fans would have some hope. If the whole sorry mess were exposed for what it was and the world was truly informed about the truth of this story, and an acknowledgement was made of the damage, the fans could begin normal grieving. And eventually they would heal.

So it is important to understand that those “crazy Michael Jackson fans” may be up to something important. While some are hostile and misguided and they act out their anguish in ways that are sometimes destructive and not always helpful or pretty, they really are trying… They are trying to save Michael and save themselves from a cruel world that mistreats really, really badly—its greatest treasures. They are trying to save the world from its delusions. They are trying to resurrect the truth. They are trying to construct an honest humanity because they are deconstructing tolerance for untruths and reconstructing humanity’s compassion. They are trying to prevent another human being from dismemberment for sport and for profit. They are trying to live Michael’s legacy—to heal the world and make it a better place. They are holding up a mirror to the world and saying: “look here: look what happened, look what was done to this human being; do you like what you see?” They do that for Michael because that is what Michael did. And he was crucified for it. They are trying to bring back humanity and are bringing salvation back. Maybe we should take into consideration what it is that they are actually grieving and maybe, if we can get past our judgment, we should listen.

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