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Mel Gibson Plays the Publicist Card in Court

11/18/2010 5:10 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF

Mel Gibson's child custody war with Oksana Grigorieva has gone downright Hollywood, because his publicist has gotten into the act.

Mel Gibson Publicist

TMZ has obtained the declaration of Alan Nierob, a long-time publicist who has repped Mel for 15 years.

Nierob's declaration is fascinating, creating a picture of a publicity-hungry girlfriend who loved Mel and loved what he could do for her career.

Nierob, who says he was frequently around Oksana during the three years she and Mel were together, says bluntly, "In my opinion she enjoyed press events more than most of my clients' spouses and significant others."

Nierob's declaration is also important, because he makes the case that after the January 6 blowout fight, Oksana showed love, not fear around Mel.

Nierob recalls a January 27 dinner where Oksana was "joking, laughing and extremely happy."

Nierob adds, "While Miss Grigorieva and Mr. Gibson were dating they often were together and she never appeared reluctant."

And in the parenting department, Nierob claims, "On a multitude of other occasions, Miss Grigorieva commented to me that she believed Mr. Gibson was a  'great' father to Lucia."



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946.

Janeny    

GRIGORIEVA: Series of calls and actually 653 M, A and B and A talks about body injury and threats and B talks about harassing phone calls, it doesn't mean say, or repeated phone calls. It doesn't mean say they have to be foul. But he called every five, ten minutes nonstop from 8:00 p.m. until 3:00 a.m. in the morning.

Oksana should speak to her 1st Amendment attorney. Foul calls are protected under the constitution, and she cannot plead harrassment if she kept answering the phone and talking to him.

In fact, CA Penal Code Section 653M says nothing about whether these calls legal or illegal if RECORDED. This section only DEFINES the offense and addresses the punishment which is misdemeanor.

a) ... any threat to inflict
injury to the person or property of the person addressed or any
member of his or her family, and is a misdemeanor;
b)intent to annoy or harass, makes
repeated telephone calls or makes repeated contact is a misdemeanor.

Calls in GOOD FAITH are NORMAL calls i e those that carry no threats or cursing or sexual harassment.

As for the foul calls - making obscene telephone calls is a Class 1 Misdemeanor in most states, not sure about CA.

But since Oxana recorded them ILLEGALLY (this Section does not address the legality issue), she had committed an offense herself. I believe if she had informed the police or the DV office and THEN recorded she would be ok. Otherwise she is not.

1343 days ago
947.

Janeny    

Oksana if you or your friends read this, I’d like to say something for you. Things have gone so far, there is no point of return. Bad decisions have been made, wrong words have been said and wrong goals have been accomplished. But as you and Gibson are getting sucked deeper and deeper in this mess that you had started, I think it’s time to start thinking about how you can help yourself. People don’t trust you, and there is very little you can do about it. But as much as they hate you, you still have a chance to help them UNDERSTAND you. Stop pretending to be what you are not but start being what you really are. Tell them the TRUTH. Tell them about how you felt when you met him, about your dreams, your hopes , your faith in your talent that had guided you through all the years, your beliefs you had .. .how unconditionally and explicitly you trusted him with his promises and care he had enveloped you with and how he let you down. Tell them how you hate him now for what he has done to you and why you wanted him stripped off his father’s privilege. Tell them the STORY - not the VERSION for the court to help you win the custody of your daughter. Tell them what you FEEL, the real you.
Personally, I think a child needs both the mother and the father. I am really hoping that you two will be able to set aside all the hatred and disgust for each other and find a reasonable ground to benefit your child. The golden rule is “do not make a decision while you angry,” but you both seem to have been so angry for so long at each other you just don’t know what you are doing. Stop pleading with the public, Oksana and start talking to Mel, or at least let your lawyer talk to him for you. You seem to have good lawyers now and then.

1343 days ago
948.

Janeny    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7vvPXz-Qes

It's near St.Petersburg. I've been there.

http://www.spbtraveller.com/eng/wheretogo/water_travel/vallam.shtml

1343 days ago
949.

Janeny    

M: Oh, god, cry, poor (garbled), you could go through money like a ****ing whore. You want the ****ing dress, you want the tickets, you want the ****ing equipment. Funny how it went from 33 to 43 …

O: (sigh) Mel ... (cross-talking)

M: … 12,000 dollars …

O: Mel, the equipment is instead of payment. If you hire any composer you'll have to pay 200,000 plus.

M: (screaming) I don't have to! I can do it for nothing! I don't need you, and I don't want you doing it, and I don't think you can do it. All right?

O: Fine.

M: That's how little I think of your ****ing talent.

O: Well, it's clear now. Every, it's all coming out now.

M: It's all ****ing true.

O: Yeah.

M: **** you,m you're a ****ing whore (unintelligible) ...

O: I think you just, I think you just, all you want to do is just shove me in a hole, and sit me at home, so much for your promise 'I want to let you fly,' it's such bull****. It's such arrogant bull****. You never meant to do that.

M: I'm letting you fly now, ****!

O: What?

M: Fly away!

O: What?

M: I gave you every ****ing opportunity (garbled) ...

O: I've done extremely well, but nobody asked you to spend so much money on the videos and everything. And why do you count the food out of my mouth? Why do you do that? I live with you. I gave you a baby. We're together. And you're counting that and summing it all up? Why do you not separate those two? If you count the food in my mouth, why don't you separate it? How about you giving me money and I'm feeding you and going shopping all the time and buying you extravagant presents.

M: (screeching) What are you talking about, you fragging ignorant bitch? I don't understand you! You're saying stupid ****. How dare you even ****ing insult me with some of the stupid reasoning you have. Your logic sucks because you're a ****ing mentally deprived idiot! You can't even ****ing figure out …

Posted at 6:49 PM on Nov 18, 2010 by Ann

This is f ugly. He didn't have to say all this. Mel, even though it's not my business, I hope this was the last time you talked to a woman like this. No matter what she's done or who she is.

1343 days ago
950.

Janeny    

Scotty:
Ox: I think those - what he's done is completely unforgivable - and the level of partner and sole mate and - as a woman, we had a family unit. And we promised each other to look after one another for our daughter's sake.

I do understand her frustration I can picture them caring for one another at some time in the past. Love stories are full of passion and hate. They go hand in hand. I don't think, though, there was love in the first place...passion, yes. But I'd like to tell you a quick story. A very rich guy overseas on a long assignment and he meets a young girl. He feels lonely, she is young and not very attractive but modest, shy, and totally inexperienced. He is much older and married. And obviously he needs a woman. So, he takes her for his lover. He rents an apartment and they move in together. He buys her fancy clothes, takes her to expensive restaurants, introduces her to his business partners, socially educates her and sends her to study something that will help to incorporate and accommodate her in his business. He then hires her and gives her a very decent income. But he is a busy guy. He travels and occasionally he won't take her with him. She gets jealous, starts bugging him and requesting him to marry her till she causes him a nervous break. He starts seeing a shrink and the shrink tells him this relationship is no longer productive or healthy. He moves out to his new apartment but keeps paying her rent as well. He takes the washer and drier and other stuff that he wants for his new apartment which infuriates her. He then fires her because she takes her frustration to his office. He then finds a new woman, a professional WHORE and treats her exactly the same way because this is how he treats women no matter who they are. His marriage is safe. His business is safe and his sanity is safe. Was it love? I doubt. Love never fails. It was a business deal.

1343 days ago
951.

KWM    

@Janeny #965

Agreed. They both put blinders on and thought the "other" was there solely in service to their emotional/physical needs. It was relational exploitation.... older men represent money, connections, opportunity, advancement to her. Younger woman represented arousal, confirmation of masculinity, sexual satisfaction etc to him. One, or both, tried to change, alter, re-write the "emotional contract" along the way, the other resisted, and all hell broke loose.

Both are disappointed, angry, frustrated, hurt, as to what they see as the "breach" of this contract. Difference is, one is willing to terminate it now, the other is not. One is keeping it front and center for a reason, still hoping to control the terms of dissolution through exploiting public opinion.

One other note on a different tangent. She states she converted to Catholicism to accommodate him (,ie, to make herself more to his liking, which is a form of manipulation in itself. It's an attempt to control his possible rejection of her for adhering to a different belief system).

She did not say she converted to it because of a belief in it. So her own "religion" is nothing more than another social facade in her bag of tricks called "social currency", ie, it is not heartfelt. Just my own personal observation on what I call the prostitution of religion for social mileage. But that's a view not all subscribe to, and I understand that, so no need to beat me up with your wet noodles out there folks!

1343 days ago
952.

TMZgossip    

# 834 kickaboo 818/ I remember (and wrote) it as 'you are gonna pay, boy'. I also remember them talking about the baby crying but you did not hear the baby crying. I remember thinking about not being able to hear her. I think they edited the tapes again.


I do, too, remember her saying "you gonna pay," twice, like "you gonna pay boy are you gonna pay," and she also used this other word "answer" but I don't remember if it was in the same tape or a different one. But she definitely used both. I do not remember hearing the baby's crying in the background. I remember him saying "go take care of my daughter," or something like this. So I would assume he could hear the baby crying. I agree they might have edited the tapes again.

Posted at 7:42 AM on Nov 19, 2010 by Janeny
...

right
so because the recordings don't contain wording that you have convinced yourself was originally there, the explanation is "might have edited the tapes again"

why don't you do a bit of investigation?
hop on over to youtube
search something like 'mel gibson rant' or 'mel gibson racist rant' or 'gibson meltdown'

pull up the oldest recordings and check
tape 2, after the 7:30 mark
before the 'rose garden'

"you're gonna pay" was something the Team Wing-Nut posters made up

1343 days ago
953.

Ron    

The thing that gets me is how much of a double standard there is. Mel gets crucified while Charlie Sheen gets, "boys will be boys," type of treatment. Go Mel, you have way to much talent not to continue in the business. You would be suprised at how many people feel this way.

1343 days ago
954.

poirot    

IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED

Ruth Houston/the examiner.com

Has catalogued a list of the exposed lies and contradictions from the PEOPLE Mag interview and Larry King.

For those who still say Mel should have not used foul language on those tapes
NONE of us know what she did to incite him, what she threatened, what he discovered, nor do we know the context of these ALTERED tapes or WHEN they were taped.
All we know is what she has presented, wants us to accept her word for it, which is WORTHLESS.

Had I been in the same situation, knowing what has been reported on this vile person, I would have propably used far worse language.
She gets no sympathy for me.
There is no justice for Mel Gibson and his family and Lucia until she is prosecuted to the full extend of the law.

Just my opinion of course

1343 days ago
955.

kpacota    

KWM: I agree about the so-called conversion. Narcissists have no core. Even the things most normal people hold as the center of their personality and intellectual and spiritual core are malleable to a narcissist. So I have issues with people who "convert" from one religion to another at the seeming drop of a hat or when in a new relationship. It is inauthentic, to say the least. And an attempt to manipulate.

Some observations...

Babushka, I enjoy your posts and I completely agree with your theories of KGB/mafiya deprogramming tactics. Though if you say it in some circles here or talk about Russian dinghies off the coast of Malibu you are accuse of being a conspiracy theorist.

Well... park this in your bonnets, TMZ. The threats to Harvey... it's a commonly taught tactic in some circles to make a threat through third parties to maintain deniability. They're called "cutouts." When Ox tells Harvey a professional hit is on him, is it because he knows too much? Look at the timeline last summer.... we have heard rumors that Harvey was shopped the tapes and turned them down. Despite Ox's protestations she has no idea who shopped them, I believe Harvey DOES. Harvey probably knows way more than he's saying. A threat like that to keep him quiet? But blame it on Mel the Jew hater, right?

But Mel doesn't hate Jews. Ask his publicist... Alan Neirob, who gave a statement in June about Ox's behavior. Alan Neirob... who once worked for Ronni Chasen... who was gunned down off Sunset Blvd the other night... the same night Mel and his family were out and about.... Mel wasn't driving around in his familiar black car. He was in a little Smart Car.

I'd hate to think someone died innocently in a botched hit. But that was a professional hit on Ronni. Driving a black Mercedes.

Hollywood is turning into a very hostile dangerous seedy little town.

Enough to enrich the tinfoil hat industry for months to come.

Sometimes messages are sent just to send messages. I'd hate to be the people trying to piece this one together.

1343 days ago
956.

canook    

972. Oksana if you read this..Things have gone so far, there is no point of return. Bad decisions have been made, wrong words have been said and wrong goals have been accomplished. But as you and Gibson are getting sucked deeper and deeper in this mess that you had started, I think it’s time to start thinking about how you can help yourself. People don’t trust you, and there is very little you can do about it... Tell them the TRUTH. Tell them how you hate him now ..Stop pleading with the public Oksana and start talking to Mel, or at least let your lawyer talk to him for you. You seem to have good lawyers now and then.
Posted at 7:43 AM on Nov 19, 2010 by Janeny
--------------------------------

Janeny
if you do remember those edited tapes
Mel said that he knew Oksana hate him and want him dead..

apology to Mel is number 1
and that is what we public want from Oksana
just keep quiet and resolve her problems in private
not love story, not love letters, not Larry King or people Magazine or Oprah, we do not want her crap how she feels.
It is over, it is done.
Mel do not love her, Mel do not want her, but Mel is taking responsibility for his daughter.

Oksana has a very greedy lawyers right now,
she should fire Horowitz same as Susan Polk did
when Horowitz told Susan that he did framed Scott Dyleski.
Garbus has no license in California.
If Oksana is smart she would return to her good lawyer
who did for her the May agreement,
and ask court and Mel forgiveness...
but Oksana is too greedy and Oksana want a civil lawsuits
with Horowitz and Garbus as Oksana want to destroy Mel

1343 days ago
957.

canook    

Susan Polk
The client who fired Dan Horowitz and
how it relates to Pamela's Vitale murder

According to author Carol Pogash in her book "Seduced by Madness -- the True Story of the Susan Polk Murder Case", Dan Horowitz went to visit Susan at the West County Detention Center where she awaited trial and convinced her he could provide a great defense. He promised to hire experts and tell Susan's story the way she wanted it to be told. Susan never denied stabbing her husband, however she vehemently denied it was murder, but instead an act of self defense. Horowitz and his partner Ivan Golde became convinced Susan was innocent and Dan declared such to the media on a daily basis. Dan strategized how Susan's case would catapult him to stardom. "She is innocent", Horowitz told reporters, "She's not crazy...... Her IQ is genius." He went on telling reporters that Susan's husband Felix was "a violent monster and Susan Polk his victim." He claimed the night Felix died Susan had walked "into a death trap" where her rageful husband wreaked vengeance on his long- suffering wife. He said "The constant theme of this case has been 'Crazy Susan', when you dig into it, it turns out she is right on the facts.... Once again, she's not crazy. It's people working her over trying to marginalize her."

On September 19, 2005 jury selection began in Susan's case. That day a thirty-two year old prospective juror named Valerie Northrop was eliminated from the jury. The next day Northrop returned to court and expressed that she intended to write a book about Susan to "champion her cause." According to Pogash, with grand flourish Horowitz handed her a CD of Polk case information. Pogash continued -- This overly generous gesture did not go unnoticed by spectators, who wondered why Horowitz would be so magnanimous with a person who didn't come across as a serious writer.

On October 11, 2005 Susan Polk's trial began. After court a reporter questioned Horowitz about Susan's state of mind. Horowitz responded "The state of mind of Susan Polk varies from day to day just like everybody else. I find her rational, cogent, and brilliant and that's what the jury will find out."

Four days later, October 15, 2005 Pamela Vitale was murdered. On October 17, 2005 a mistrial was declared in Susan's case. Two weeks later Horowitz returned to the case. At that time he hired the young, attractive former prospective juror Valerie Northrop.

How does this relate to Scott Dyleski?

In late December 2005, Susan Polk made some startling accusations. According to Pogash, Susan called a reporter from jail and confided, "I don't feel that I can be silent about this," Ever since Pamela died she said she had "wondered whether Dan murdered his wife." One of Susan's claims was that Horowitz told her Pamela had had an affair. The other was that after Pam's death Horowitz told Susan "Everybody loves me now. And you'll win your case. Everybody loves me." Susan also claimed that immediately after Pamela's death Horowitz and Northrop became inseparable. Apparently Susan was not comfortable with that, nor was she comfortable with what Dan Horowitz said to her when she suggested that maybe Scott Dyleski was being framed. According to Susan, Dan Horowitz said these words:

Quote:
"I've got (Dyleski). I did a better job on him than they did on you and that little ****er isn't going to get out of this."

At this point it should be noted that although Horowitz denied having an affair with Northrop, within weeks it could no longer be denied. They were an open item and because of that Horowitz became estranged from Pamela's adult children. In late summer 2006, before Scott Dyleski went to trial Dan Horowitz and Valerie Northrop moved into the mansion that Pamela built.
Horowitz and Northrop are now married.

www.justiceforscottdyleski.com

1343 days ago
958.

Manley    

Team Mel
This article has several really good reasons why the judge should remove baby Lucia from Oksana’s custody and give her to Mel
Why Mel Gibson, NOT Oksana Grigorieva, Should Have Custody of Baby Lucia
http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-infidelity-in-national/why-mel-gibson-not-oksana-grigorieva-should-have-custody-of-baby-lucia
shortcut below in case the entire link above doesn’t make it through
http://exm.nr/aaiNfD
Also
A list of all the domestic-violence related lies Oksana told on the Larry King show, compared with the different versions she told in her People interview and other places
Oksana Grigorieva’s Domestic Violence Lies on Mel Gibson Exposed by Larry King

http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-infidelity-in-national/oksana-grigorieva-s-domestic-violence-lies-on-mel-gibson-exposed-by-larry-king
Use the shortcut below if the link gets cut off
http://exm.nr/bGooOU
Very interesting observations in both articles

1343 days ago
959.

poirot    

Team Mel
This article has several really good reasons why the judge should remove baby Lucia from Oksana’s custody and give her to Mel
Why Mel Gibson, NOT Oksana Grigorieva, Should Have Custody of Baby Lucia
http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-infidelity-in-national/why-mel-gibson-not-oksana-grigorieva-should-have-custody-of-baby-lucia
shortcut below in case the entire link above doesn’t make it through
http://exm.nr/aaiNfD
Also
A list of all the domestic-violence related lies Oksana told on the Larry King show, compared with the different versions she told in her People interview and other places
Oksana Grigorieva’s Domestic Violence Lies on Mel Gibson Exposed by Larry King

http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-infidelity-in-national/oksana-grigorieva-s-domestic-violence-lies-on-mel-gibson-exposed-by-larry-king
Use the shortcut below if the link gets cut off
http://exm.nr/bGooOU
Very interesting observations in both articles

Posted at 2:59 PM on Nov 19, 2010 by Manley

Manley

Thank you for posting this info.

ANYONE who still has doubts about this woman, should read these articles.

Judge, please award Mr. Gibson full custody of Lucia.

1343 days ago
960.

Ann    

@Babushka

I'm glad I came back to this thread. Thank you for answering my questions, I really appreciate it. This is all so fascinating to me. It's also frightening because it involves a baby and the future of a man and his family. So many things hanging in the balance.


_______________________________________________________

@ Ann

I apologize - I neglected this part of your question:
Do you think anyone in the MCB (Major Crime Bureau) in the Sheriff's Dept is going to understand Russian techniques? I mean, they are a local department. Just asking.

___

My answer: My father thinks they are actually quite well versed in Russian mob techniques. He is not "unsettled" about leaving it at the local level. He did tell a few federal agents that he hoped they would oversee some things. But this is on a technical issue and not because he felt that the LASD was "incompetent." He felt that his input to the Major Crimes Bureau directly, was un-necessary. Instead, he made his opinions known among those who had access to federal resources in case the "local" department could not handle it adequately.

If you wish to know a bit more about my father, I list my blog at team-mel.com

God bless and rest easy. All things will happen in good time.


Posted at 9:34 PM on Nov 18, 2010 by Babushka

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