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People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray

1/11/2011 7:57 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF

Prosecution Rests in Murray Case

0111_murray_jackson_prelimThe prosecution has ended its case in the Conrad Murray preliminary hearing after 6 days of testimony.

The defense filed a motion to dismiss, which is routine.  It will almost certainly be denied.

Judge Michael Pastor has taken a recess.  It's virtually certain that Dr. Murray will be ordered to stand trial.

The Deputy Attorney General who represents the Medical Board of California is in the courtroom.  We're told he will ask the judge to suspend Murray's license to practice medicine.


Conrad Murray Manslaughter Hearing

Murray Commited Homicide Even If MJ Injected Himself
Updated 1/11/11 at 10:57am

0111-conrad_prelimA doctor for the L.A. County Coroner's Office just testified ... even if Michael Jackson injected himself with the fatal dose of Propofol, Dr. Murray is still guilty of homicide.

Dr. Christopher Rogers testified he believes Dr. Murray had no business administering Propofol outside a hospital setting, particularly without the appropriate medical equipment.  Rogers said given Michael's dependence on Propofol and the fact that Murray left him alone in the room with access to the drug constitutes a homicide.
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Coroner Doesn't Believe Dr. Murray's Story
Updated 1/11/11 at 10:26am

0111_jackson_prelimA doctor for the L.A. County Coroner's Office testified he doesn't believe Dr. Murray only gave Michael Jackson 25mg of Propofol.

Without saying Murray lied to cops during his interview two days after MJ died, Dr. Christopher Rogers testified if Murray were correct about the 25mg of Propofol, Jackson would have awakened after 3 to 5 minutes of sleep.

Rogers also testified he doesn't believe Jackson swallowed Propofol.  The defense laid the groundwork for this theory yesterday, because small amounts of the drug were found in Jackson's stomach.

And Rogers said he believes it's inappropriate to use Propofol for insomnia and that Murray's care was "substandard."
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Murray to Cops:  Michael Begged Me For Propofol
Updated 1/10/11 at 4:55pm

0110_michael_jackson_conrad_murray_prelimIn some of the most dramatic testimony to date, an LAPD detective testified Dr. Conrad Murray told him Michael Jackson "begged" him for Propofol shortly before he died.

LAPD Robbery Homicide Detective Orlando Martinez testified about an interview he conducted with Dr. Murray two days after MJ died.  Martinez said Murray told him the night before Jackson died he was having trouble sleeping.  Murray said he was trying to ween Jackson off of Propofol -- a drug he was giving MJ almost every night for two months.

Murray told Martinez he was giving Jackson a variety of other drugs, beginning sometime after 1AM, to no avail.  Jackson then said if he didn't get to sleep he would cancel rehearsal.

Murray said he was feeling "pressure" from MJ to give him something to help him sleep, and Jackson was begging for Propofol.  Murray claims he gave him a reduced dose, with Michael's help.  As TMZ has reported many times before, Murray said MJ liked to "push in the Propofol himself and that other doctors let him do it."

Murray went to the bathroom for 2 minutes, came back and claims he saw MJ wasn't breathing.
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Defense: Michael Jackson Drank Propofol
Updated 1/10/11 at 2:53pm

0107_propofol_prelimMichael Jackson may have drank himself to death by consuming a juice box laced with Propofol -- at least that's what Conrad Murray's defense team suggested in court today.

Murray's attorney, J. Michael Flanagan, was questioning a Senior Criminalist from the L.A. County Coroner's Office about the 70 grams of fluid found in MJ's stomach at the time of the autopsy ... fluid that tested positive for traces of Propofol.

Flanagan noted the presence of a juice box on MJ's nightstand ... and asked if it had been tested for Propofol ... raising the possibility that MJ was sippin' on the anesthetic shortly before he died.

The criminalist testified he had not tested the juice box.

So what's Flanagan's point? He might be suggesting that MJ was secretly self-administering his Propofol ... which would support Murray's defense theory that MJ accidentally caused his own overdose.
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Dr. Murray Ordered a Boatload of Propofol for MJ
Updated 1/10/11 at 12:05pm

0110_murray_vid_launch_prelim_3A pharmacist Dr. Murray used to order Propofol just testified the doctor ordered box after box of the drug in the two months before Michael Jackson's death.

Tim Lopez, a pharmacist at Applied Pharmacy Services in Las Vegas, said beginning on April 6, 2009, Dr. Murray began ordering large quantities of Propofol. On that date, he ordered 10 single dose vials.

Murray, who had the drugs sent to his girlfriend's Santa Monica home where he was living, also ordered boxes of the drug on April 28 -- 4 boxes and each of the boxes had 10 100ml vials.

Later that month, Murray ordered 20 vials of midazolam and 20 vials of lorazepam.

On May 12, Murray ordered 4 boxes of Propofol, along with 2 trays of midazolam.

On June 10, Murray ordered 4 boxes of Propofol, and 2 20ml Propofol.
 
In all, Murray ordered 255 vials of Propofol in the two months -- including 130 vials of Propofol in 100ml doses and another 125 vials of Propofol in 20ml vials.
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Judge: Murray's iPhone Admissible as Evidence

Updated 1/10/11 at 10:35am

0110_iphone_prelimJudge Michael Pastor ruled this morning that recently obtained data from Dr. Conrad Murray's iPhone is admissible as evidence.

Murray's attorney, Ed Chernoff, referenced the items in question ... a few voicemails and 12 screenshots.  He was not more specific.

The prosecution has used phone records to create a timeline showing what Murray did the day Michael Jackson died.
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2687.

don wilson    

You don't store cases of drugs in a patients home . That is not professional. How did he propose to hide it from the intended victim? NOT!!!!!

1343 days ago
2688.

Trish    

Dr. Murray will get a slap on the wrist and he will go on to make millions. The trial will be a big boost for the economy for California. Everyone will be making money from this, not just the greedy Jacksons. The trial will be dragged out for a long time. $$$$$$$$$$. Does anyone know where I can get a t-shirt with Dr. Murray's mug on it, that says Not Guilty? ha

1343 days ago
2689.

kate    

Yes we kno MJ was an addict, but we also kno he was not a stupid individual! If it was something he wanted to do himself he wouldn't've hired Murray. He knew it was something that required assistance. Next thing they'll make it a case of assisted suidcide. What they are having the audacity to say is that he ingested in into his stomach, as if he drank it! Again he may've been a junkie but he wasn't damn stupid!!! Secondly, if you were a doctor treating a junkie and unsure of what he may've taken on his own, why the hell would you continue to give him more, instead of getting him to a doctor where he could detox and rehab, do a toxscreen? How the hell is a doctor going to help a junkie get high?! Oh Murray is the one who is damn stupid then! U dont kno your patient well enuf 2 kno he's abusing drugs on his own, and kno not to continue doing the same without knowing what he has taken??!! Oh just let him continue to incriminate himself. If MJ was stupid enuf to want to overdose, then he was even more stupid to help him do it! The more lies he tells the more he will dig his grave. There was somebody else in that room; GOD! Murray will have to pay for his indiscretion

1343 days ago
2690.

Jaamall    

Question? If Murray is in the house with Michael, giving him this drug, He finds MJ "not breathing he say". Now, He is a MD!! and he cant do CPR? 1. Even if Michael wanted this drug, who explained the risk to him? Murray? If Murray administered this drug and did not know how to acknowledge the OATH of a MEDICAL DOCTOR TO SAVE LIFE, by administering CPR. That alone proves recklessness and irresposible as a MD! Now considering the time of death and that he left a patient side during this procedure and noone was there to monitor Michaels condition. Shows that Murray knew what he was doing and what was going to happen. If not, Why is it that Michael stop breathing only when he walks away? The only question now is why did he do it? He is guilty of Homicide no doubt but who paid him and why? I'm sure if you look closely at the people around MJ and put pressure on them, someone will tell you who had such a problem with MJ. See, MJ was due to make a lot of money and on this tour, therefore it was his money. The buzz is that a lot of promoters wanted this deal and not to mention Sony! I love the nation but in the past a lot of problems have hurt a lot of top people like Malcom X. no MJ wasnt X but he is just as powerful and the nation do like to make money and be involved! Remember Ali! the nation. MJ tour was big and some body was left out thats all I'm saying! Murray knows who!!!!

1342 days ago
2691.

Cherwood    

If we all Cry - Pt. 8........
-#1869, 70: Hey Flower! Great point about Nicole A.'s knowledge of the other Hootchie's. Maybe we'll see a turnaround in her attitude during the trial....
Then again, would she even DESERVE to have righteous indignation over the other girl when she's doing the same thing to his WIFE, Blanche?
BTW: I was told that Propofol would be in the stomach and come out of the eyes when too much is administered too soon--sort of like it overflowed because it had nowhere else to go??
-#1878: Janala, this was a great post until you had to start again! All of these things you are saying are CIR***STANTIAL! Believe or not I like your posts for the most part, but this is one thing that I will fight you tooth and nail about because it's nothing more than HEARSAY and INNUENDO against Michael!!
I occasionally have a sinus flare up and have to take OTC meds which ALWAYS make me feel and look drowsy, should we ASSume that I'm also high?
As for the Benzos, there was research done on this, CHICO, you may remember...and it came out that the DEA was investigating some of his SECURITY people at the time of the 2005 Trial,and it was found that most of these people had been the ones purchasing the Meds at that time. DO we KNOW they were purchasing them for Michael? Not really, this was the same time that Michael had a Million dollar tab at Mickey Fine's Pharmacy, and the theory was that a DRUG RING had developed amongst some of the former Security he had--they were buying the drugs in his name and probably selling them to other street pushers...do you REALLY think Michael could've used a million dollars in drugs and still lived till 2009?
SO much for the ALIASES....
As for his legs, that was discussed on many of CNN'S shows on the subject and they said he had had knee surgery, and it appeared there was some infection after the fact....
Regarding Chopra, do we REALLY want to take it there? This is the same person who claimed that he and his son, Gotham wrote many of Michael's songs post "Dangerous"....
Just another LEECH looking to continue his feeding frenzy even with Michael gone....
As for the Bashir Interview, maybe he WAS on sedatives, who wouldn't need something to deal with that IDIOT! Thing is, he had to deal with defending the dangling incident during the second part of that Interview so maybe he took something to keep himself focused....
And who said he HAD to have taken meds, maybe he had simply had a glass of wine or a drink? Is that a crime?
Bottom line, all of these "little things" you mention add up to a big fat ZERO, imo so I can EASILY ignore them.....
You mentioned the 3 rounds of Benzos Murray gave him, but remember, Murray has lied about everything INCLUDING his real name so I don't believe that story about how Michael kept begging for the Propofol, and he kept giving him benzos every hour, no more than I believe he only gave him 25 mg. of Propofol. I believe Michael claimed he was dehydrated and not feeling well and Murray gave him something which Michael had an allergic reaction to and went into a coma, and from there, Murray started his coverup program with the Benzos then finally the fatal dosage of Propofol....
Remember, although the Coroner stated he died of acute levels of Propofol, he also stated that certain Benzos (can't remember which one) also factored into his death......
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1342 days ago
2692.

Cherwood    

If we all Cry - Pt. 9..........
-#1904: Hey Siggisis! You make a great point about the opened bottles of Propofol. Thing is, WHY would they be kept lying around if you couldn't use them after opening? Was Murray just that IGNORANT, or was it because he PUT THEM THERE TO CORROBORATE HIS STORY THAT MICHAEL WAS ADDICTED TO THEM AND SELF-INJECTED?
-#1921: Siggisis, this is TOO funny, you wrote:
That was because he was so dumb that he didn´t know that the phone records would give him away.
Remember he also said initially that he couldn´t call 911 because the land-line wasn´t working AND because he didn´t know the address!!! While having yap-yap-yapped for hours almost!
He really IS dumb.
Posted at 7:53 AM on Jan 9, 2011 by Siggisis
-Personally, I think Murray just thought everyone would buy into the LIE that Michael OD'ed, I don't think he ever stopped to think it would go this far, hence his shoddy alibi/lie....
Then again, was he REALLY that dumb to think people would buy that story? Case in point, many of the "fans" on these boards have bought into the TABLOID Hearsay, why wouldn't the rest of the world?
This (US) is a culture that clearly BELIEVES everything it's told by the Media which is why Michael wasn't given his due in the first place....
-#1927: Hey Butterfly! That does seem to indicate that this was the first time Michael didn't eat his dinner based on Kai's testimony, which could also mean that this was the first time Murray administered the Propofol....
And your point about the Senneff testimony is something I totally missed....if Murray went bck up to the room, there's no telling what all he did to set it up for his alibi....
CLEARLY he had a lot of "staging" to do, because the EMT'S stated they were in th AMBULANCE, WAITING FOR HIM....
-#1936: Casper, thank you for the corrections about the MJJTimeline. I've used it from time to time, but never noticed the Branca snag...
Also, thanks for your point about the Propofol LIE. Unfortunately, I doubt it will change many people's minds about this, but it's good to know there are some who haven't fallen for the BS......
-#1937: nazalovejack, hmmmm interesting nic, interesting post! You wrote:
Michael did not die he was murdered is what is taking people to summarize what is logical
michael jackson = blinded by the anxiety of seeing "this is it" come true did not see he needed help and that the worst could happen
murray = trafficker
= entourage blinded by greed and the amount of fame that lay ahead
girlfriends murray = middlemen controlled drugs
family at michael = barred from contact with Michael could see that a plan was underway
producers = executioners michael
security = co authors
michael = the only innocent in this big conspiracy
IT SHOULD NOT BE A COMMON CRIME IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY
Posted at 9:46 AM on Jan 9, 2011 by nazalovejack
-#1946: Hey Siggisis! I'm totally with you on this. You wrote:
It is really strange that Kai Chase mentioned that she thought it was odd that the food was untouched. That means that Michael was not put under that often - if at all.
I get some really bad images in my head now. Was Michael simply murdered? Murray could have sedated him with an injection when he got home - before he could eat the soup. Then moving from there
until Michael was dead.
All the Murray-phonecalls, the Propofol bottles, syringes etc, smoke and mirrors?
I can hear that this is a bit far fetched. But you have to wonder.
Posted at 10:18 AM on Jan 9, 2011 by Siggisis
-I also agree that it sounds out there, but then maybe that's just the point. Most people think Murray's an idiot who couldn't add 2 and 2, and they're probably right, but one thing we're forgetting is the fact that there were possibly others who WERE smart....and what's more, they may have been around Michael long enough or had access to people inside of his camp who KNEW just how to play this Murder, so that the blame fell back on him and they got off scot-free....
-#1952: Hey Flower, thanks for that excellent post on the effects of Propofol....Gon' Girl!!
-#1966: DKRL, I think Neil Ratner is Brett's uncle....
-#1969: Hey Siggisis, great point! Murray WOULD need to have a lot of money to be jet-setting back and forth between Vegas, Houston and LA, and setting up Hootchies in every Port...
Many people have stated that they think Murray may have stolen money from Michael and that may be, but I doubt it because I think he would've realized he could get caught and that would've been the end of his gravy train and brush with fame....
I have 2 scenarios for where he got his money:
1. The Pill Mill he was running in Houston--probably Vegas as well. I'm sure he was pulling in some money for that with his partner Quanell Armstrong--who was ALSO NOI.......
2. He may have been given an advance by his Bosses who set up the crime (Barrack, Tohme, Phillips, or Sony Execs)
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1342 days ago
2693.

Cherwood    

If we all Cry - Pt. 9.....
Okay so I'm almost through....I thought I had already posted the last 2, but guess not.....
-#2322: Barb A., thanks for being a light at the end of a Tunnel for this portion of the thread. If I have to hear another "fan" claiming to be SO UPSET with Michael and what THEY think he did to himself and his children based on a bunch of MEDIA SPIN, I'll SCREAM!!!
And then they wonder why all of the haters on the board are celebrating.....that's what demons in HELL always do when they know they got someone to go over to their side....SAD.....
-#2408: Hey SaraJane! Where you been, girl? SO grateful to have someone who LOVED Michael make sense of the Medical side of things....You wrote:
Nor do I believe Michael would have been coherent, or for that matter awake after been given the amount of benzodiazepines he (Murray) administered prior to the chronic overdose of Diprivan. Why would a doctor who should be very aware of drug interaction, not know that the effect of such a powerful sedative which will cause cardiopulmonary arrest in a minute without the required medical equipment ie intubated and on a ventilator & monitored very closely.
As it has been said already - it was enough to take an elephant down..Not only a human & it did....
Imo, Michaels primary reason for calling Murray was severe dehydration, hence the iv bag..
The only drip used was a gravity-fed saline drip as per the autopsy report...Murray said 25 mg of propofol, via IV drip to keep Michael Jackson sedated, after repeated demands/requests ????? MJ was already OUT.
This is ridiculous, Michael was a very well - read, & a very, very intelligent man who would not imo, not have put his life in this type of danger, He would have known, or been aware of the consequences , his children were his life & what he lived for.
Kai Chase found it ''odd'' the food she prepared for MJ and Murray the night before Jackson died, but when she came to work the next morning the soup was untouched." Now go figure.......
Michael Jackson died due to a catalogue of 'errors' perpetrated by a 'doctor' who at the end of the day, followed orders.....
MJ should NOT have died. The defence are picking at straws.
Posted at 6:29 PM on Jan 10, 2011 by SaraJane
-#2413: Hey Nan, my thought exactly. This is yet another lie from Murray CLAIMING that Michael gave him an ultimatum that he would cancel rehearsals if he didn't get sleep. This is a total lie because Randy Phillips even admitted he took a hands-on approach to handling Michael for the Concerts....didn't DiLeo say that they threatened to take away Holmby if Michael called out sick again? Sounds like he had NO rights in that situation. They never let him out of their sight, and controlled everything he did--that's the reason they didn't want him to go to Klein anymore, because it took him out of the realm of control and if he had a procedure done, he may have been out of it from the meds, and wouldn't be able to rehearse....
Come to think of it, Travis Payne was at Michael's side almost 24/7 so I KNOW he has to have some information....only thing is, he was working for the ENEMY so he may corroborate their LIES........

-#2473: Janar, thank you for the kind words! Participating in trying to resolve Mike's Murder is the LEAST I can do for all of the WONDERFUL things he gave us....GREATEST ENTERTAINER OF ALL TIME--NOW AND FOREVER!!!
-#2475: Deb, well, well, well....the Prelim is over so let me put you out of OUR misery:
You are constantly on here YAPPING about who did what to you, when and why as if you're SO hurt--and mind you, these people you feel so hurt BY are people you've never even SEEN before? And you call ME delusional? Oye.
Please lady, don't make me EMBARASS you, it's too easy....but it's also VERY boring and the bottom line is, I'm not here for you, I'm here for MICHAEL.....can you get that?
Bottom line, PLEASE seek help ASAP, anyone who flip-flops as much as you do, using possibly 100 nics--don't bother to deny it, you are fooling NOONE--needs not only help, but an EXORCISM to boot.....
And be sure you take ALL of your personalities--Tellit, aq, Unwell, Daybreaker, fake Mimis, Kimbo, Trash, BnB, get it right, et.al--WITH YOU!!!
-#2477: Hey Janar! There are various stories out there about how Murray came to Michael. Besides the "Joe theory", theres's also the one that he was James Brown's Doctor--which his wife recently stated is NOT true, and the one that Murray was brought in by a member of Michael's security team....this is the one I believe, simply because by Joe's own admission, he didn't have much contact with Michael during those years....even if they did live in the same city......
-#2489: janala, the reason Michael may have been so mad about that Ed Moss/GQ desert thing is OBVIOUS--it was just after he had been beaten down by the press in the 2005 Trial and he fled to Bahrain to get some peace, but they STILL couldn't eave him alone....had to have that IDIOT Impersonator pose in a pic as him--with an abaya on and one sequined glove??
And you ask WHY he was mad?
Just maybe he thought that anyone who impersonated him would've been a bit more LOYAL than to do such a TACKY photo....and I'm sure Michael was NO fan of GQ's seeing they hadn't necessarily been supportive of him in the past....
Even after he died, they had the GALL to put him on the cover with the title, "When Michael was cool".....and they wonder why nobody wants to buy their LAME mag anymore....
-#2502: Hey Flower! Well they FINALLY took away his CA license, but STUPID Nevada and TX claim they are REVIEWING the issue?? What's there to review? We've had EIGHT DAYS of Living through this PRELIM--isn't that enough? How many more people does Murray have to kill before they revoke his licenses in those cities?
Right...two MORE States I never want to have to depend on HEALTHWISE..........
-#2524: bunnyhop, Murray was already hired to work with Michael in APRIL--which is the same month Nurse Cherilyn CLAIMS Michael called her....
HOWEVER, she also claims he asked her for the Propofol AGAIN on that call when he said he was cold and hot. This is the call that she varies her story in different Interviews--sometimes saying she was at home when Michael HIMSELF called her, and other times saying she was out of town on vacay when Michael AMIR, his PA called her and she could hear Michael in the background....
IMO, she ws brought in by the same people who hired Murray the hitman to perpetrate the Propofol LIE. Her story is onesided and has NO backup--she has NO PROOF that any of that was said on those calls....
And notice how the Prosecution never called her to the stand because she is actually a witness for the Defense. Hopefully the Prosecution is ready to rip her and her fairy tales to shreds--that's if the Defense is STUPID enough to call her.....
-#2525: Hey Lee lee! Hope and pray you are safe. Be careful out there, we need you with us!!
-#2551: Katie, Just because Liza said that doesn't mean she was referring to drug usage. After all, the Coroner's report states there were NO SIGNS OF DRUG ABUSE found in his system, and the only drugs found in him were the ones Murray gave him that night....
As for Liza's statement, you have to realize that Michael did NOT hang out with her that often. In fact, I think years had gone by since they showed him and her together--I think they hung out in the 90's -2001, but after that, there's no do***entation that they hung out other than that story she told about how she shook Michael really hard after her divorce from David Gest, asking him why he didn't stop her.....
And how would she know when half of the time, she was the one ON something....
Liza was a close friend of Michael's, but she wasn't his BFF....that title belonged to LIZ TAYLOR. Now if Liz said something like that, I'd sit up and take notice....
Then again, Liz has too much CLASS to make a comment like that about her best friend to Paps in the street.......
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1342 days ago
2694.

Cherwood    

If we all Cry - Pt. 10: The "Book 'em Danno", Edition.....
Here it is--the LAST one...and all the People say, AMEN!!!
-#2569: Flower, remember, Murray ordered Propofol from Pharmacies in Vegas, LA, and Houston. Clearly the 200ml bottles did NOT come from Applied, but maybe they came from Mickey Fine's, or they may have come from his Houston Clinic......
-#2572: DKRL, trust me...Phillips knew. He was in communication with Murray up until ONE HOUR before Michael was killed, and after that, him, DiLeo, and Tohme MATERIALIZED from a nearby hotel they were staying in to rush to UCLA and make their STORY complete....
-#2575: Thanks FLOWER for that post on the effects of Oxygen usage. It's totally feasible and right up Michael's alley to do something like that....
I asked that question in an earlier post to anyone medical if the Oxygen Tanks could be used for something else. I'm no Medical Expert, but I KNEW it was used for other things. To hear some people on here tell it, you'd think they were CREATED solely for use with Propofol administration. Always the NEGATIVE.....Oye.
BTW: the Nanny is Rosalie or "Sister Rose" who is NOI and running partner with Nanny Grace. I don't have anymore info on her, however, I'm a bit suspicious of her as I am ALL of the security guards....
-#2577: Hey Mymjj5! Gon' girl!! I'm also boycotting all Sony, AEG and their affiliates....
Now here's a question to you, Chico, or MiMi: the "Michael Jackson Experience" Game is by Ubisoft, and the Cirque Show is by Cirque of course. I am trying to find out if Sony still gets any money from these 2 projects. I know they got money up front, but would they still get a piece of the pie from any sales for these projects?
-#2584: Hey Nan! Thanks for providing more insight about Michael's ALLEGED drinking habit....LOL x 1000!!!
Most people out there drink like fish on a daily basis, but he has a glass of wine or two, and he's an alcoholic. And I wonder if a few times people SWEAR he looked high on drugs, he may have simply been relaxed from a glass of wine....
-#2615: Hey LC4Michael, Obviously, some people are now attributing SUPERNATURAL POWERS to Michael since they INSIST that he could've been a consistent drug addict, yet fix it so there are NO SIGNS of the abuse....some even HILARIOUSLY suggest that we wait a decade or so and we'll be able to see the abuse MAGICALLY REAPPEAR.....
LOL x 10,000!!!!
-#2632: Tellit, I ask YOU the same question you asked me as you are on here 24/7 as Deb, aq, BnB, and hundreds of others I don't care to name.....
Face it, you backed the WRONG horse, son. Nobody's listening to that crap and nobody CARES.....
Besides, you have not produced one IOTA of proof that Michael's death is a hoax. There are inconsistencies because he was MURDERED....if you listened to the Testimony in the Prelim, you'd know that by now....
Quit fighting WINDMILLS and WAKE UP!!!
-#2652: aq, talk about WEAK--is this the best you can do? Perhaps, Scott HAS found the perfect name for you--"low iq".....LOL x 1000!!!
SO WHAT Chucky and the other dancers had to wait 2 hrs. for Michael to rehearse....they could've waited FIVE HOURS, imo and it would've STILL been their PRIVILEGE to dance with the GREATEST ENTERTAINER ON EARTH!!!
-#2654: Hey MiMi! Yeah, I SO believe Chucky was "misinterpreted"....LOL x 100...from his mouth to RANDY PHILLIPS ear....
Most of them were too young to even appreciate all that he had done so who were they to talk?
We've waited for them to speak since the TII release and only Kryss Grant spoke up. Now this case is under way and I guess AEG is getting a little skittish that Murray will get NAILED and rat them out so they've released the dancers to talk.....WHATEVER....
-#2692: Annie-I'm-NOT-okay, other than having one of the COOLEST nics, you have an EXCELLENT post as well!!
And I'm with you, but once we get Murray in the can, then we can work on the ones who put him up to it....
There is No Rest, NO Peace until total and COMPLETE JUSTICE for MICHAEL....
-#2803: DonnaLynn, thanks for the kind words. Have to admit I was LIVID when I wrote that post. When I think someone has attacked MY Michael unfairly, I am an "Equal-opportunity Defender"....
As for AEG's knowledge of Murray and the Propofol, imo they DID know. For one thing, I think June 25 was the only time it was administered to Michael based on Murray's lack of expertise, and the Prelim testimony. According to the IPhone testimony, there were screenshots of emails between Murray and AEG--either Phillips or Gongaware--that discussed Michael's health. I also remember Oxman saying he had emails between AEG and Murray that would prove that they were giving Murray DIRECTIVES in treating Michael. At the time, I questioned it, considering the source (Oxman's credibility is practically NIL,) but now I'm inclined to believe he had these emails.....
Two things have been clear to me practically from Day 1 of this tragedy:
-Murray gave Michael the fatal dosage that KILLED him
-Murray had other partner-in-crime who more likely orchestrated the plan with the help of others who may or may have not known they were being used (Nurse Cherilyn, Security, etc.)
The only thing I'm trying to resolve is exactly how they pulled it off, and whether or not Murray went into it KNOWING he was going to Murder Michael....
As suspicious as my mind is, I do think there's a chance he was DUPED into committing the crime, based on his debt and legal issues....and I'm not just talking about child support, I'm referring to that "Pill Mill" that he and Quanell Armstrong ran in Houston.........
-#2805: bunnyhop, I understand your point, but you have to understand that there are FAR more people--even "fans" jumping on the "Michael was an addict" bandwagon, than those who believe he left that all behind in the 90's. What I am trying to do is get us to come out of the 90's where Michael was concerned. He had his issues like the rest of us, but in later years, he had become a true RENAISSANCE MAN who was devoted to his children, and only wanted to continue to explore the depths of his Artistic genius through film and Art.....
And I have no problem agreeing that I wasn't with him 24/7--not even close, and wouldn't propose to claim to have KNOWN him anymore than I could know the mind of my closest FAMILY member. HOWEVER, I have been taught to see the good in people and give them the benefit of the doubt--regardless of what GOSSIP and HEARSAY says about them....
They said derogatory things about Noah, Moses and Jesus of all people, simply because they went against the norm much as Michael lived his life. And all of Michael's actions throughout his life--especially the last years show the earmarks of a tender heart who only wanted to be loved....
Bottom line, I responded to Janala because she responded negatively to my post stating that I think the whole Propofol premise is a lie concocted by people who knew about this rumor of past Propofol usage, and decided to use it for their own ends to get rid of Michael, imo. As they say, most murders are from within the persons circle, whether they do it themselves, or HIRE someone else to....
And you're right, I have no proof that Michael didn't ask for the Propofol either, but then I'm not accusing him, so the burden of PROOF is not on ME....
And until someone shows me otherwise, I will defend to the death that Michael did NOT ask for Propofol!!! I CONSTANTLY read posts on here from fans and haters alike ACCUSING Michael of being addicted to meds....I'm just so SICK of it...especially since not ONE of them can PROVE their claims beyond the early -mid 90's when Michael stated he had an addiction...
Maybe I'm wrong, but does the fact that you were ONCE addicted to a substance, mean that we should SCRUTINIZE every aspirin, drink or cough that you take thereafter? Oye.
Bottom line, I AM ON HERE FOR MICHAEL AND NOONE ELSE!! I have always been straight forward with my posts--like it or lump it, there it is. You guys have your opinion and I have mine, just know that I am not here because I am "fascinated" or think he's "enigmatic", I am here because I've followed and loved him ever since his J5 days and will ALWAYS support him UNCONDITIONALLY!!!
-#2819: Ninicanvas, thank God for someone who can see past their OWN views of everything. Thing is, as much as I love Michael, I also love him enough to ACCEPT if he had been an addict post '93, but NOONE can provide me with any PROOF of that claim, other than "he looked high on Bashir's show", or he looked sedated on some other show....WHATEVER....
Tired of the INNUENDO and LIES.....I can endure the haters all day long, but FAITHLESS FANS take it to another place for me.....sigh......
-#2823: aston, good post just one thing: If Murray WAS giving Michael Propofol for 6 weeks which is what made him weakened and thin, why wasn't he looking weak and frail during the HIStory Tour?
There he was, in numerous countries performing 3-4 nights a week at 3 HOURS of NON-STOP singing and dancing, yet he was at his LARGEST build during the HIStory Tour, remember? And if you don't, go to Youtube and check out any clip from that Tour vs. the Dangerous or Bad Tours.......
This is another reason I don't believe he was taking Propofol prior to June 25........
-#2833: Hey Nessie--you are my hero tonight with that BEAUTIFUL POST!! Now THAT'S what I'm talking about--a TRUE SUPPORTER appears on the horizon.....
-#2843: Jamall, are you saying that the NOI was involved? There is definitely a theory out there that NOI somehow involved. Certainly, Nanny Grace, the last Nanny at Holmby--Sister Rose and most of Security were all NOI. I know Murray wasn't NOI, but his friend Quanell X (Armstrong) of Houston was his partner in that Pill Mill they ran there according to Posters who live in Houston....
Do you know anymore about the NOI connection? Please share.....
Cher
MJJ Justice League 2009--WE ARE HERE TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!!
No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER and MISS-U-SO-MUCH!!

1342 days ago
2695.

Q    

UGH MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NOT A SAINT HE WAS A DRUG ADDICT AND NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED U PPL JUS WORSHIP THAT MAN LIKE HE WAS GON AND HE'S JUS A HUMAN.

1342 days ago
2696.

ligia.brum@hotmail.com    

Uma dose de PROPOFOL de 1000 mg para o Conrad Muray, será que ele deixa?

1342 days ago
2697.

Shirl    

It really is a shame that this quack would inject this man with this medication knowing that it is to be giving in a hospital setting only.This action right there is enough for him to be locked up without a second thought and he needs too be striped
of his license and no ?'s asked...

1342 days ago
2698.

DonnaLynn125    

#2845 Cherwood you are the best for sure! I so agree with you about Nurse Cherilyn. The first time I heard her talk about MJ I immediately felt something just not right there. I have felt thatday till this day I feel her and Murray know each other...hopefully time will prove something there. Sure you are aware of new TMZ involving Blanket....totally wrong. Has anybody seen or heard from Nanny Grace? Seems like she "fell off face of earth" I'm sure she didn't but I heard she has been in Las Vegas. What is it with Las Vegas??

1342 days ago
2699.

thevelvetfactory.com    

It's all sad. Who knows what really happened or who's behind this. I think homicide should really look deep deep deep into this, instead of being blinded that it's MJ. There's something to this. Follow the money.....

1342 days ago
2700.

Dose Of Reality    

Surgical anesthesia at home six days a week for two months, that's just as normal as an adult male sharing his bed with prepubescent boys. I don't see where there could have been a problem, doesn't everyone engage in that type of behavior?
SHAMMON! HEE HEE!

1342 days ago
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