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MJ's Kids -- Murray Couldn't Have Killed Our Dad

2/21/2011 10:30 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

Michael Jackson's children refused to believe their dad died of a heart attack -- because MJ used to RAVE that Dr. Murray was the BEST doctor on EARTH ... TMZ has learned.

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MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died  ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.

Grace told investigators Michael would constantly brag about Murray in front of the kids -- and that's why after he died, the kids would say, "There's no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world."

Grace also said Michael first met Murray through a member of MJ's security team ... and explained  MJ felt he could trust Murray, because the security guy claimed he had some sort of mysterious leverage over the doc.

Grace offered no further explanation about the mysterious leverage.

And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.


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511.

Cherwood    

With L.O.V.E., Love - Pt. 3........
-#486: Robyn Hope-LESS, you win my OYE award tonight! You say Michael was "past his prime?" WHY, because he was 50? Do you realize that most of the greats--Tina Turner, Mick Jagger, Sting, Madonna and many more did some of their best work after 50? And let's not even talk about JAMES BROWN, who performed up to his dying day....and he was Michael's idol!!
If you watched TII you would see that although there were a few clips where he was just "marking" for rehearsal, there were many others where he was doing full-out performance and was still able to outdance his backup crew....well, maybe he couldn't do the flips, but then, they were never part of his repertoire anyway.....
You want fans and supporters to go to your blog--for what? To read more about how weak and disabled you and others like you think Michael was? Riddle me this: why would we wan to go ALL the way over to your blog, in order to read a bunch of TRASH about Michael than we can read right here on TMZ??
Sorry, but I'll decline. You see, it's just that I don't think I'm quite at the level of LOYALTY that you and your ilk are....and you say you're not a FANATIC? Why don't you just come clean and take the "ATIC" off of that statement....it would suit you better....
FYI: Any TRUE Fan/Supporter knows that all Michael had to do is show up onstage and it would've been OVER. He had no need to jump through hoops in order to prove he was on top, but being a perfectionist, he wanted to do even better than he had in the past. However, that doesn't mean he was depressed over it. I'm sure he may have worried in the beginning, but if you did your RESEARCH, you'd know that he wasn't going to be onstage performing 3 hours straight like he used to, the show was artfully crafted in order to give him the chance to recoup in between numbers. Also, the 5 concerts were spread out so that he only did maybe 2 PER WEEK, with vacations built in, and due to it's residency at the 02, there was no flying necessary, hence no JET LAG.....
Michael was the GREATEST ENTERTAINER THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN, and he had one of the biggest HUMANITARIAN HEARTS, to boot..
After all of the LOVE and MUSICAL LEGACY he gave to us, I think the LEAST I can do is show him UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND SUPPORT, instead of being counted among his DETRACTORS.....Oye x 1000!!
BTW: Should've known, another Murray lover in "MJFAN's" CLOTHING!!!
-#489: Awww Tellit! We knew you loved Michael all along, you're not fooling anybody but yourself. Noone could spend the amount of time you do on these boards under differents nics, even, unless they just LOVED them some MICHAEL!!!
GON' GIRL!!!
-#494: Hey Daphne! Girl, I feel for you if you never got to experience him in concert--it was like he was singing right to YOU.....OWWW!!!
I got to see several of his concerts--and the Victory Tour with the brothers. That one was great, but I much prefer Michael all by himself, and all of my fave performances in concert are when it's just him onstage: "Human Nature"---OMG, HOT!! "Stranger in Moscow"--OMG x 2!! and "Earth Song"--UNBELIEVABLY BEAUTIFUL!!!
Matter of fact, the only people who even came CLOSE to touching the tip of the Genius of Michael in concert was Prince's "Purple Rain" Tour (He had the NERVE to open with "Let's Go Crazy" and I was so excited I almost fell off my chair!) Janet J.'s "Rhythm Nation" Tour (I used to LOVE her back then, too) and Madonna's "True Blue" Tour (She was awesome, especially on "White Heat" and "Live to Tell"....)
Still, NOBODY ever came CLOSE to putting on a show like Michael!!!
-#519: Daphne, I have 2 scenarios for where Papa Joe and others in the family got money. At first, I thought they got it from Katherine and PPB's allowance--but I doubt that because of how closely the Estate is scrutinizing everything; the other way they may have gotten it is from the money that Michael had hidden at Holmby--remember the sisters were at the house before it was sealed off as a crime scene. The only other way he my have gotten money is from someone who wanted to keep him quiet about what he knows: either the Executors, AEG, or Tohme and Co......
-#520: Hey Mymjj5....you are TOO MUCH, GIRL!! Who's saying you had a relationship with MY MICHAEL?? NO WAY, GIRL!!! LOL x 1000!!!
BTW: I think all of his Insurance Policies went to the Estate. But if they went anywhere else, it would've been directly to PPB or Katherine, not Joe. Michael loved Joe, but he knew not to give him money like that....he set it up for Joe to go through Katherine....which was also another way of keeping them together....
And PLEASE do us all a favor and quit conversing with PERSONALITY #5, everyone knows it's either Deb or Tellit.....depending on who you speak to.....
Although I have to admit, IT'S posts are competely HILARIOUS--can you imagine? It had the GALL to instruct you on how to RAISE YOUR CHILD??
LOL x 10,000!!

Cher
MJJ Justice League 2009--WE ARE HERE TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!!
No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER and MISS-U-SO-MUCH!!

1246 days ago
512.

omg    

#564-cherwood, meant to say thanks for your comment but have been busy with the earthquake thing here. Love your comments also great read thanks.

1246 days ago
513.

Tellit    

560......-#489: Awww Tellit! We knew you loved Michael all along, you're not fooling anybody but yourself. Noone could spend the amount of time you do on these boards under differents nics, even, unless they just LOVED them some MICHAEL!!!
GON' GIRL!!!
Posted at 2:15 AM on Feb 24, 2011 by Cherwood
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Don't delude your delusional "simmering" "sizzling" self cherwoodie/sherlock...
I use only one nic here for well over a year.
And that's tellit....
c/lc...however TMZs system seems to want to throw it in.
I type it lc....it sometimes shows up capped.

Keep on trying to figure things out sherlock...
but your investigative/cognitive skills are truly lacking.
(in many venues...imo)

Keep truckin.....thunder thighs....
lol

1245 days ago
514.

Ulja    

Hey mymj5! I share your doubts. But what do you think concerning mine? Or I' am thinking in the not right direction?

1245 days ago
515.

Tellit    

560.......And PLEASE do us all a favor and quit conversing with PERSONALITY #5, everyone knows it's either Deb or Tellit.....depending on who you speak to.....
Although I have to admit, IT'S posts are competely HILARIOUS--can you imagine? It had the GALL to instruct you on how to RAISE YOUR CHILD??
LOL x 10,000!!
Posted at 2:15 AM on Feb 24, 2011 by Cherwood
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You know Cherwood....
you persist at including me in your comments...
for no apparent reason except maybe you are jealous and obsessed with me.

your persistence in re to me might result in having to give you a good bit of my personal undivided attention real soon.
:)
TMZRO will look like an angel.

1245 days ago
516.

Tellit    

I'm gonna give you 1 more chance cherwood

1245 days ago
517.

Daphne     

Hahaha, mourning on a tabloid website. LOL x 2, and someone has just become a bereavement counsellor.

1245 days ago
518.

Daphne     

Oh, TMZRO = Tellit. OK, didn't know that

1245 days ago
519.

Daphne     

I got to see several of his concerts--and the Victory Tour with the brothers. That one was great, but I much prefer Michael all by himself, and all of my fave performances in concert are when it's just him onstage

Cher

MJJ Justice League 2009--WE ARE HERE TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!!
No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER and MISS-U-SO-MUCH!!

Posted at 2:15 AM on Feb 24, 2011 by Cherwood

Good for u. Back then, couldn't afford to travel everywhere to see him perform. Now, I'm retired & at a time that I could afford to go anywhere to attend his concert & he's gone. So sad, but I did buy the tickets to the Cirque show in Edmonton, Alberta for the Nov 1st performance. Will also travel to Vegas with family to see the one there during son's winter break from university.

1245 days ago
520.

Tellit    

568.
Oh, TMZRO = Tellit. OK, didn't know that

Posted at 10:27 AM on Feb 24, 2011 by Daphne
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That's right.
Self admitted it myself on these boards over a year ago.
And I haven't used that nic or any other since then.

BUT....
I am not completely opposed at this time of reconsidering the creation of a new entity to put a little excitement into the cyberlives of those who refuse to cease and desist with their libel/lies/harrassment re the insinuation that I am using multi-nics.

If I'm going to be accused/& already found guilty of using a nic anyway....
I may as well start taking advantage of the fun and chaos that a multi-nic affords/generates.
lol

BUT....like I said....
I'll give you gals 1 more chance.
If the desired effect isn't achieved...
well then.....
TMZ cyber time for them will be made M.I.S.E.R.A.B.L.E.
promise.
:)

1245 days ago
521.

Daphne     

TMZ cyber time for them will be made M.I.S.E.R.A.B.L.E.
promise.
:)

Posted at 10:58 AM on Feb 24, 2011 by Tellit

How miserable? Guess I didn't join the board until early 2010. Never really paid too much attention on some of the old nics, i.e. TMZRO, Grasshopper etc. etc. Remember seeing those names, but didn't even know much about what was going on. Life on a tabloid website. Please tell.

1245 days ago
522.

marcia    

On another note, mymjj5, do u know how & why Joe J. got the money to invest in Vietnam. Guess he's not broke after all. Why Vietnam, of all places. Do they have a lotta tourism going on there?
Posted at 1:39 PM on Feb 23, 2011 by Daphne
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hi daphne
all of michael's assets were not outlined in the will. my best guess is life insurance......surely to be in the millions and divided among his kids, parents, and perhaps siblings (jmo) of course.............


Posted at 2:02 PM on Feb 23, 2011 by mymjj5
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Come on now, don't you know that Joseph's a bidniss man? Ummm let's not forget that he is a 'wonderful' Talent Manager who has a fairly new record label that he shamelessly promoted a couple of days after MJ's death. Also, remember on Oprah he introduced some woman as his producer for his reality show in Japan? I'm sure that brings in boatloads of money. Ain't no tellin' what else he's got his hands into...

1245 days ago
523.

Tellit    

Judge in Michael Jackson manslaughter case and defense spar over witness statements, tactics

ANTHONY McCARTNEY
AP Entertainment Writer
5:12 p.m. CST, February 24, 2011

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge overseeing the upcoming Michael Jackson trial has questioned defense attorneys about why they are not preparing reports and statements on possible witnesses.
Defense attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the death of Jackson, said at a hearing Thursday they don't plan to prepare any such reports before the trial scheduled to start in late March.
Prosecutors called the move a clear attempt to thwart rules intended to prevent surprises from occurring during trial.
Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor called the strategy "a recipe for disaster."
A prosecutor asked Pastor to vacate the trial date, but the judge refused.
He ordered attorneys to return on Monday, when potential evidence will be discussed again.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/sns-ap-us-michael-jac...

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I call it a recipe for good defense strategy.
Does Michael Jackson/MJFt already have this Judge in their pocket?....
lmao....

1245 days ago
524.

Tellit    

Judge in Michael Jackson manslaughter case and defense spar over witness statements, tactics

ANTHONY McCARTNEY
AP Entertainment Writer
5:12 p.m. CST, February 24, 2011

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge overseeing the upcoming Michael Jackson trial has questioned defense attorneys about why they are not preparing reports and statements on possible witnesses.

Defense attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the death of Jackson, said at a hearing Thursday they don't plan to prepare any such reports before the trial scheduled to start in late March.

Prosecutors called the move a clear attempt to thwart rules intended to prevent surprises from occurring during trial.

Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor called the strategy "a recipe for disaster."

A prosecutor asked Pastor to vacate the trial date, but the judge refused.

He ordered attorneys to return on Monday, when potential evidence will be discussed again.
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I call it a recipe for good defense strategy.

Does Michael Jackson/MJFt already have this Judge in their pocket?....
lmao....

1245 days ago
525.

Tellit    

"LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge overseeing the upcoming Michael Jackson trial has questioned defense attorneys about why they are not preparing reports and statements on possible witnesses."

DUH.....
so they(defense witnesses) won't get paid off (old MJdefense tactics) by MJFt/Michael Jackson before the trial?

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