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The People vs. Dr. Murray -- Whose Side Are You On?

5/8/2011 5:30 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

On TMZ Live ...  Harvey Levin took on BOTH sides in  Dr. Conrad Murray's manslaughter trial  -- offering closing arguments for the prosecution and the defense.  So whose case is stronger?

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After watching both arguments, it's up to YOU, the TMZ jury to decide ... should Dr. Conrad Murray be convicted in the death of Michael Jackson?


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46.

lap123    

They were both at fault defense doesn't cut it either. Michael is dead so he paid for his part of the fault with his life. Murray still has his part in it and he was "at fault" to so he will be prosecuted for his fault. both at fault= Murray still at fault (even if you want to say particularly)= Murray guilty

1263 days ago
47.

Murph    

Muppet -- you are speculating what could have happened. But what actually happened is Murray purchased massive amounts of propofol and administered it to Jackson, left the room and Jackson quit breathing. Those are facts. Any other speculation is purely just that. Michael may have had problems with prescription drugs at times in his life, especially when facing extremely emotional issues; however, there has never been anything to suggest that he took any type of "street drugs."

Did Murray mean to kill Michael Jackson? I doubt it. Did it happen on his watch? YES! And for those who say, "Well if Murray hadn't done it, Michael would have found another doctor to do it." It's the same answer. Whether or not Michael had any doctor administering propofol to him, Murray was the one who was doing it and who didn't properly monitor him and he died as a result. That's why it's involuntary manslaughter.

1263 days ago
48.

Ulja    

His (CM) fault will be composed of several components. It must be several points of charges. It is not only one single fatal infusion.

1263 days ago
49.

Ulja    

Muppet 25 minutes ago Much safer to be monitored by a doctor. Yes, of course. One problem- CM didn't monitor him.

1263 days ago
50.

KingMikeJ    

Whether Michael was a drug addict or not (he wasn't) is not relevant. Conrad Murray should not have provided Michael with propofol. Conrad Murray should not have used propofol in a home. Conrad Murray should have been monitoring Michael Jackson at all times.

Once seeing Michael unconsious, Conrad Murray should have immediately called 911. Instead, Conrad Murray hid the propfol. Conrad Murray should have gave Michael CPR on a hard surface (all doctors know this, and Murray was a heart specialist). Instead, Murray gave Michael CPR on a bed.

1263 days ago
51.

Siggisis    

The defense bit got too boring for me. Couldn´t watch it to the end.

1263 days ago
52.

kim    

Conrad Murray should have never walked out of that room even for 2 seconds never mind the 2 mins he told authorities even though I am beginning to question that also.

1263 days ago
53.

Justice    

As a nurse anesthetist I can not see any other verdict for Murray than a "guilty" verdict. The charge is "involuntary manslaughter" which means...was dr. murray reckless or not? The point isn't so much how much Murray gave Jackson Propofol or if Jackson or someone else injected more, the point of the case is administering Propofol to a patient in a home setting, with no proper monitoring, with no required equipment or drugs should there be an emergency, with no additional staff to help, with NO kind of emergency plan, without a person there who knows how to give PROPER CPR...and even for some time without ANY person there to watch the patient. Dr. Murray has already admitted he gave Jackson Propofol. Yet, he completely disregarded the standard of care, and completely chose to RISK Jackson's life EVERY SINGLE TIME he was administering Propofol. Also, they found 100ml Propofol bottles at the house. Murray orered SEVERAL 100ml Propofol bottles. If you know you only are going to need 2,5ml of the drug, WHY would you have a 100ml bottle there and WHY would you even ORDER not one, but SEVERAL, 100ml bottles, when Propofol is available in 20ml vials as well. Having 100ml bottles there and the patient dying of a Propofol intoxication is a bit of a big "coincidence", I'd say. Dr. Murray was risking Jackson's life every single time he administered Propofol to Jackson. Since Murray didn't have the proper equipment there, needed in an emergency, the oucome would have been the same every time Jackson would have stopped breathing, regardless of the dose. It was a disaster waiting to happen. Because no matter what amount Murray gave and when....WHAT could have he done if Jackson would have stopped breathing some other time? What was his plan going to be? He had nothigthere to help Jackson, did not even know CPR, did not call 911 immediately....Propofol is known to cause breathing problems. You do not know when it will happen. Even if the patient has gotten Propofol before, it can still happen. And even if the patient has been stable the whole time, it can still happen. There can always be complications. That's why the anesthsiologist is there. To make sure everything is fine at ALL times. Murray not only did not have the required equipment and monitoring he also LEFT THE PATIENT ALONE. And we know what happened next. The arguement that Jackson was a "drug addict" is completely irrelevant in this case. There is nothing in the autopsy report that suggest drug abuse. And saying Jackson was "doctor shopping" for Propofol is hearsay. You can't prove it. The second Murray agreed to give Jackson Propofol, the responsibility was solely on Murray, since he is teh one with medical training and license, not Jackson. A patient is not responsible for the therapy he gets, it's the doctors responsibility to say "no" if he does not agree with what the patient wants. Also, Michael Jackson is dead and not here to tell his side if the story, so no one can say that he wanted to get Propofol or any other i.v. drug. All we know for a fact is that Dr. Murray gave Jackson Propofoln and then LEFT Jackson UNMONITORED and UNATTENDED and that alone is EXTREMELY reckless. If justice will prevail, then tehre is no other option than a "guilty" verdict for Murray.

1263 days ago
54.

sarah trebilcock    

michael was looking forward to the tour he wanted to do it for the kids why would he inject himself nowing all that amount is fatal plus someone had to give him that bottle if he was a drug addict why should he have it he should have the doctor give it to him murry went through medical practice for years he was in dept there are other people behind this to not just murry murry could of put it there or even injected even for money who nows but mj i dont think he would do that to much in his life he wouldnt miss judge this xx

1263 days ago
55.

=)    

I think that CM is a great actor...

I love MJ

1263 days ago
56.

HumanNature    

The Legal Definition of Involuntary
Manslaughter in California

Involuntary manslaughter differs from Penal Code 187 PC murder in that it involves an unintentional death.2

California Penal Code 192(b) PC defines "involuntary manslaughter" as an unlawful killing that takes place

during the commission of an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or


during the commission of a lawful act which involves a high risk of death or great bodily harm that is committed without due caution or cir***spection.3

The Legal Definition of Involuntary
Manslaughter in California

Involuntary manslaughter differs from Penal Code 187 PC murder in that it involves an unintentional death.2

California Penal Code 192(b) PC defines "involuntary manslaughter" as an unlawful killing that takes place

during the commission of an unlawful act (not amounting to a felony), or


during the commission of a lawful act which involves a high risk of death or great bodily harm that is committed without due caution or cir***spection.3

Penalties, Punishment and Sentencing

Penal Code 192 PC California's involuntary manslaughter law is a felony. A conviction subjects you to

formal probation with up to one year county jail, OR


a two, three, or four-year California state prison sentence.


Plus these additional consequences:

a maximum $10,000 fine,


the loss of the right to own or possess a firearm pursuant to Penal Code 12021 PC California's "felon with a firearm" law, and


possible professional discipline (if you hold a professional license).1

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1263 days ago
57.

BarbieJean    

The question is NOT was there any intent! WE ALL AGREE THERE WAS NO INTENT TO KILL MICHAEL JACKSON! THAT IS WHY MURRAY IS CHARGED WITH MANSLAUGHTER! HELLO?! The charge is manslaughter, he (Murray) has ABSOLUTELY proven himself to be GROSSLY NEGLIGENT AND an enabler to an addict. For weeks this so-called doctor injected any and everything the alleged addict desired! Is this what we expect of our medical professionals? How dare any sane human being argue that Murray is not at fault.

1263 days ago
59.

Ulja    

Can somebody answer the question-why didn't he want to use the necessary equipment for controlling (monitoring) state of the patient during propofol's anesthesia ? wasn't he able (had know-how) to use the equipment ? Did anybody turn up this question in the court?

1263 days ago
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kathy 40    

If MJ wanted to KILL himself he didn't NEED Dr. Murray there to 'take care' of him. He could have overdosed with all the drugs Murray HIMSELF had prescribed to him BEFORE he started giving him the Propofol. Just look up the drugs-list on the autopsy report and you'll see that MURRAY was the doctor who was prescribing MJ sedatives, anxiety pills and sleeping pills. Murray didn't just pop up from outer space, he was MJ and the kids'doctor for at least 2 years when they lived in Vegas. Now he's acting as if he didn't KNOW that MJ was on drugs, blaming other doctors for what happened to Michael.

DESPERATE DR.DEATH will go down BIG TIME!!

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