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Oksana Probably Won't Use Tapes Against Mel

5/12/2011 9:50 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

The secret tapes that made Mel Gibson really famous in a bad way are about to become irrelevant.


Oksana Grigorieva's lawyer, Dan Horowitz, told the judge in the custody case this AM that he may not even introduce the racial and other tirades into evidence. 

It's not shocking that Horowitz is backing off the tapes.  A few weeks ago he told the judge Oksana would not be raising the domestic violence issue in the case.

The tapes could surface if Oksana files a civil lawsuit against Mel, but it's starting to look iffy at best that such a case would even be filed.  Oksana's damages would be limited, even if she won, so it may not be financially worth the trouble.


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Way to CO-PARENT there Oxykaka!!!!!

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chris 6 minutes ago

Stacy about a minute ago
How could she use the tapes when they were illegally made and then tampered with ?
She should be in jail for wiretapping, and tampering with the recordings and then submitting them as "evidence".
@ Stacy - I believe this is the point at which Mel brings her to her knees (NOT in THAT WAY) and begins to slowly grind her into a pulp. I dont think he'll play Pontias Pilate but he'll make sure (as he should) that she gets a LEGAL public flogging.

I hope you're right about that Chris !!

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ThinkingWoman 5 minutes ago
Why should Gibson apologize to the American public for a private conversation being sold to a tabloid and used to smear him around the world? Perhaps after she publicly apologizes for wasting the court's time, abusing our legal system, being a leach, and gleefully seeking to destroy another human being.

I find it much harder to forgive or forget her ACTIONS than his WORDS.

Some people could benefit from reciting the old nursery rhyme: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."


For a "thinking woman" you appear to be quite the idiot. Why should a celebrity apologize for making horrific foul comments in private, only to discover that they were secretly recorded when the sh*t hits the fan and it's all over the news?

lol, damned you stupid... why? Because they're vain and want to continue their career even if they can afford to fade away and never work again. They want to continue working, and the world thinking your an unapologetic douche isn't good for box office draw.

America has prioven time and again they'll give you a seond, and third and maybe even forth pass if you just sheepishly apologize for being an ass and contritely move on. Americans absolutely hate people who are unapologetic in the face of their own public stupidity. We never forgive them.

Sorry that's just the way it is. If Mel want's to revive his career the very best he can, then he desperately needs to get out there and lay on the charm and admit it... it was a difficult time and life and he really f&cked up and said a lot of things he deeply regrets, and that he's sincerely sorry his fans had to here any of it.

That's all he has to do and he's golden. Otherwise he's going to be fighting an uphill battle the rest of his career. He will never be as loved and well paid as he will be if he makes a sincere apology. He needs to turn on the charm, be sincere, perhaps a bit self deprecating about it, apologize and move on.

He also needs to start picking a lot better scripts. lol, because from what i've seen of "the Beaver" so far, it's absolute crap. Good luck with that one, Mel. :snicker:

1263 days ago


moussemaker 9 minutes ago

Oksana is not NOT charged with extortion or with illegal recording. Criminal cases are OVER.

It's just a custody case, and it can continue for 17 years.

Wrong ! Mel said there are all kinds of legal things going on.
Maybe there was a federal investigation, she could still be charged.

1263 days ago

Fidel's niece    

you are MISSING something here!

O$kanky met with Kolodny's partner in 2 0 0 8 ???

Why did she need a family lawyer in 2008?
Lucia was not even conceived until March 2009!

Was she going to sue Dalton for more
child support for their son?

ABC news also reports 2008!

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@ puckett
sorry I dont think Mel owes a apology to anyone...we should apologize to Mel for even listening to those private tapes..we have all said much of the same things when we are angry, as Mel said, only they were kept private...get over yourself

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@mousse...TMZ had an article I believe...several months back when she was regularly videotaped entering and leaving the courthouse. I think it was around the time of all her witnesses sitting outside in the hallway waiting to be heard.

Needless to say, it didn't go anywhere.

1263 days ago


Stacy -
Aside from Attorney Kolodny being one of the best in the business, to disqualify him would mean finding another equally talented attorney and then spend a considerable amount of time bringing him/her up to speed. Attorney Kolodny has been involved since the beginning, has conducted depositions and plotted out his legal strategy. It would hurt Mr. Mel's case to have to bring on someone new at this point - especially with a custody trial looming in the near future.

moussemaker -
Actually, it could have. I'm not a legal professional, but according to some who are, when the issue came up about Attorney Berk, there apparently is a code wherein a sitting attorney who is required to testify in their case may be removed from said case. Fortunately, Attorney Berk was able to prove that, barring privileged information, there was nothing to which she could testify that another could as well. In other words, other people had reliable information about whatever Attorney Horowitz might have asked her so that ended that.

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So, TFH theory, her and Horkhisbitz have a deal to split the cash he gets for the Custody case fees where Mel has to pay. What better way to get more money then go in with appeals that look to be nothing more than a joke. Hork and her are both talking out both sides of their mouths. One minute she plays all nice, next her and Hork are pulling another stunt.

We are going to drop the DV, co-parent and probably won't use the tapes, oh but we are going after Mel's lawyer to have him disqualified and removed from the case so Mel has to start all over again. That's the most ridiculous tactic I've ever heard.

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Is it maybe because she knows they were doctored and it can be proven? Sounds like she has lost some steam on her accusations.

1263 days ago

Jus Another Viewer    

Seriously.. ALL the trouble SHE started with that dumb fabricated story, and those unbelievable mix tapes she had made up by the sound guy.. And then she drops pretty much EVERYTHING that she started.
She wait SIX months to even goto the police to begin with, the pix of her are laughable at best, smiling ear-toear - for REAL?!, the pic of the baby that HE had the original video of the SAME day with NOTHING on the babys face - her pic even looked like just a pimple, but the original there was nothing there!!! Then the 43+ lawyers, the ridiculous side-stories from all the crazy accusations! Mel admitted he slapped her, SO F'N WHAT! He saved her kid as well as his others by taking the fall with the no contest plea.. His first interview on Deadline .com he admits such. But ALL she has put them through, the entire family (plus her own kids) can you even imagine the ridicule her teen son must go through.. His uppity lil classmates parents have probably made a COMPLETE Pariah out of Oksana.. You KNOW that has trickle-down and/or residule effect on the younger victims of what SHE did!!
That person ":Octo-Sana:" makes me ILL.
Oksana is SHAMELESS! And wretched!

1263 days ago


@Lori the Ox troll - Oh bullppuckie. So where are the PHOTOS that you promised us? Never going to happen!

I wouldn't put it past Ox to stoop so low as to produce a "spit baby" with stolen Mel "goo" she illegally banked but no one will believe her, not when he has this babe on his arm, not to mention there are others he is being friendly with; elegant older woman who have as much mula as he does, or so word on the street has it.

Ox is jealous...

@Frieda - if Ox has saved up some of Gibson's swimmers her best bet is to sell that on Ebay under "Mel Gibson Retirement Plan." She's getting too old to be conceiving any more babies and selling it under "Retirement Plan" would be a good cover -- you can't sell human body parts on Ebay. She can pay her attorneys with the proceeds.

1263 days ago


TTT59 - Laughing at the Retirement Plan

1263 days ago


"fran 5 minutes ago
@ puckett
sorry I dont think Mel owes a apology to anyone...we should apologize to Mel for even listening to those private tapes..we have all said much of the same things when we are angry, as Mel said, only they were kept private...get over yourself"


Think what you want but the reality in America is HE WILL NEVER AGAIN be as popular, and profitable as he could be, unless he get's out in front of this and puts the matter to rest publicly with a seemingly heartfelt apology to his fans, who should never have had to here about any of this, and they would have if he had shown better self control.

It doesn't matter if it started out a private matter. It went public and the only way he'll get the genie back in the bottle and move past it is to publicly own it and apologize for his behavio

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@Chris - Dani may want to bid on that when the auction goes up. BTW, the hint I gave you way back when I found the blog (D and D) stood for Dani and Dana.

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