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Charlie Sheen:

Ashton's Going Down

With the Ship

5/13/2011 10:50 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Charlie Sheen delivered the ultimate back-handed compliment to Ashton Kutcher, telling TMZ he's talented but the show will tank.

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Charlie tells TMZ, "Kutcher is a sweetheart and a brilliant comedic performer ... Oh wait, so am I!!"

Charlie continues, taking a shot at the show, saying, "Enjoy the show America.  Enjoy seeing a 2.0 in the demo every Monday, WB."  Essentially, Charlie is saying the age group that supported him is going to tune out.

Charlie adds, "Enjoy planet Chuck, Ashton.  There is no air, laughter, loyalty, or love there."  Of course, Charlie is referring to his nemesis, "Men" creator and Executive Producer Chuck Lorre.

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826.

nancy    

There are other extremly brilliant actors on that show...Charlie certainly wasn't the best for sure, so see ya pal...been nice, but welcoming Ashton with open arms and more laughs than ever...

1231 days ago
827.

ksis    

@orange valentine

Apparently you are one of the viewers who hold on to his every word, without reading behind it and realizing that "banging 7 gram rocks" and "blinking eyes" was nothing but screwing with Andrea Canning and the likes of her;)
The fact that he doesn't work on that show doesn't make him "unemployed" in a sense that we all know. He still has the money that you and most of people can only dream of.
Plus, his job issues, ex-wives issues and kid issues have nothing to do with the fact whether he needs rehab or not. As long as he stays away from drugs and alcohol, he can stay away from rehabs as well.

1231 days ago
828.

orange valentine    

Charlie Sheen has a long history of self admitted drug and sexual addictions.

Sheen would benefit from looking at why he engages in such self damaging behavior.

Charlie Sheen continuously cuts off his nose to spite his face.

It seems Charlie Sheen has painted himself into a corner.

He will have to prevail in his lawsuit against WB in order to

gain his two and a half men income. Sheen will have to pay attorneys to fight what will be a lengthy litigation,(that he is likely to lose anyway, if he worked for me,I too would have fired him)

He will eventually be out spent by WB and Sheen's lawyers will end up taking all he has left.

I don't see how Sheen can come out of this "winning"

WB is not going to roll over for Sheen-they will break him.

Chuck Lorre was spot on in his Vanity Card fable,

The bottom feeders are going to eat Charlie up.

He did this to himself, he could use some therapy.

Your defense of him is hilarious!!

I really enjoy your posts, your a perspective is truly entertaining and funny.

1231 days ago
829.

ksis    

Chuck Lorre's vanity cards were nothing but a form of harrassment. Period.
And he has been through muber of rehabs for the past twenty years. They didn't work. So he istrying something else, and so far it's been working. Too bad that many would rather see him fail that to accept that rehab is NOT always the best way.
And WINNING is staying true to yourself, not letting others to pass judgments on you and always believing that what you are doing is right FOR YOU, because you know yourself BEST. In THAT, he will always be a winner.

1231 days ago
830.

orange valentine    

@Ksis
LMAO-It's nice to live in a country where everyone can state their opinion-
Maybe your "winner" should practice "would you like fries with that?"

1231 days ago
831.

Mairzee_dotes    

Charlie once said in one of his rants that he was tired of everyone thinking he was "not special". I wonder if he is still feeling that way. lol
As far as Ksis is concerned...she is just still living in the same delusional world he does. She will continue to sing his song as long as he does. I think she must be in "cyber love" with him or something.

1230 days ago
832.

ksis    

@Mairzee_dotes

SHE doesn't give a crap what you think. Go back to trashing Charlie and stop discussing HER, if you can't do it with respect.

1230 days ago
833.

sugarbee    

I NEVER watched the show before because I have NEVER liked charlie sheen. But I will watch now that he is gone. So maybe it will lose some charlie fans as viewers but it will gain just as many Ashton fans as new viewers. I am not even much of a Ashton fan but I hate Charlie so much I will watch just to help the show do better without that crazy womanizing pig on it.

1230 days ago
834.

wendyw    

@KSIS
Step away from the crack pipe...

Your attemps to defend Charlie Sheen makes the two of you
look like low QI crack heads

1230 days ago
835.

Mara_55    

"The human mind treats a new idea the same way the body treats a strange protein; it rejects it" (P.B. Medawar)

If most of the loyal viewership heavily refuses the change, can´t s.th. be done against it?
Ideas?
Mails to Responsibles full of hatred are no way to success, I guess. Who reads them anyway? I think fan mails are directly treated as spam. No responsible ever gets one to see, peo are paid to sort them out before.
"Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much" (Helen Keller) Would be nice, if so...
Maybe the only thing can be done is, to turn the tv on or off and buying fan things like dvds & merchandise stuff or not, when it comes to men.

Of course fans want men to go on, but not with a strange new entry, peo stick to/believe in the original cast.
It´s no question who´s the better one, unfortunately fans are not asked.

W/out the Sheen/Lorre clash no one would ever have asked Kutcher to join the team. Everybody knows.
He cannot replace anyone and he should have done himself + us a favor to refuse the job. Like peo with character, high class peo and not that desperate actor´s did before. However, time will tell...

Model Kutcher and his sugar-mommy... I wonder if he also won Demi Moore by accident. I don´t know. Looks like he always replaces better peo.
Wouldn´t it feel ten times better to be chosen w/out s.o. lost his wife, his life or job before?
And being the first one asked to the dance and not the last...

I know it´s mean and I feel terrible for the next little dialogue, promise.
Ashton: Look sugarplum, I´ve made it! They asked me for men. Who is winning? ME ME ME. I always wanted to become big, play games with the very best. I always thought you to be the actor in the family... and here I come. Better be prepared.
Demi: Is it the C.Harper role?
Ashton: No, it´s s.th. NEW.
Demi: new, duh?
Ashton: Yes, yes ... Chuck Lorre had a FUNNY idea.
I´m soooo excited, YEAH, can´t wait. Who´s the man? I´m a man, I´m a man.... ok, a half. And a half is better than a third. And the square root of...
Science is cool, too. I wait until Lorre asks me to replace Jim Parsons or the blond girl next door. Or the new series, Molly and Ashton. I can also replace the president. I mean the president, hello?
Demi: Oh hell...
Ashton: but my dearest dreams come true. I´m one of the best because I work with the best.
Demi: You know what they say, the ship is going to sink, Titanic like
Ashton: So I heard. Titanic? cool, cool! Funny. You are so funny. I go and tell Lorre, maybe there is a job for you... Do you think your surgeons can make you look like a teenage boy.
You could replace Angus, if he as a teen gets out of control someday. Be prepared.
Demi: No, I shaved my hair once to play a female soldier. Did some dirrrty pole dancing like a Vegas bar girl.
Do nothing less than your very best, got me?
I need to see my surgeon as long men exists ... with you on board
Ashton: I didn´t get the end, what did you say...
Demi: I said, at least look great. Peo already started chatting (on tmz) that you look like a homeless, beggin´ for a dollar or two and a half.
Ashton: And at home I can still follow my "I can´t care less" - style?
Demi: sure... (as long I have a sexy gardener, a pool boy god and some other gods...)

It´s one thing to "funny" introduce Ashton but how will they explain/mention Charlie left his house forever? One brother was the womanizer, one is the ever losing and the new? He could be an eco/alternative living, hippy like person. One of those peo who lived at Matala Beach(Crete)in the what 70´s?

I never said it was right or even ok what C.Sheen did. Really not. There are good and less good character traits. Peo sometimes do terribly wrong. And of course he was pissed off, being fired. He did his rehab thing, it was said he was a sober pro at work. That really matters. Not what he does with his spare time. It´s his business, if he is a Hugh Hefner in training with 1,2 or 15 goddesses around.
It would have been a good advice... not doing the tour, not thinking about a behind the scenes book, all the rude insults.
He caused so much destruction. It´s ALSO his fault that peo start thinking about other actors, about replacements, about weirdo Relaunches. Lorre also does no better. There are his sometimes rather childish vanity cards or asking former(?) friends of Sheen to join the show (Rob Lowe).

I understand the other peo of men are relieved that the show goes on, that finally they won´t lose their jobs. Or, that they still have a job. They always did great, so why punish them. Life goes on. They have to be pro, do their job as good as possible. Keep in mind, never never never be into a series again...

But I still think it to be stupid to go on w/out the main character, the character a lot of peo liked most about men. If a main character leaves, what´s left? All peo can be replaced?
Go on, whatever it takes?

1230 days ago
836.

wendyw    

@ Mara 55

All peo can be replaced?
Go on, whatever it takes?
***************************
WB sold the syndication rights for TAHM

They are contractually obligated to produce one more season of the show.

Sheen violated his contract and had to be replaced.

The show must go on (because they already sold it)

With MANY Multi Millions of dollars being made by TAHM

WB is not going to put up with Sheen's continuous BS

WB is making another season, fulfilling their contract and making

$$$$$$$$$$$ as is all the cast and crew

Everyone else should be screwed because little Charlie is a crack head?

Business is business

1230 days ago
837.

Mara_55    

I never said that C.Sheen is the best part about or actor at men.
I think men worked because of all of them. This team was special. All actors involved are terrific. I like all of them.
So I fail to see, why they now ask each and every one to join the team.

Someone wrote Lorre knows best, what´s the best for him and what´s the best for his show. He should, working so many years with some popular series in the back. But he, as a human being, can also be or do e.g. decide terribly wrong.
All peo know what´s the best for themselves (or they just think they know best), because you are the only one who knows all pros and cons about a certain issue.

It´s not Sheen vs Kutcher. It´s about the change/Relauch idea in general.
They also could have set an end to it.
Sometimes I think it would be better.

Peo are just concerned, less jazzed about the future of men. That´s all.

I´m sorry. I never wanted to be that rude and impolite. I really tried to be less mean and more funny. Don´t take each and every word or saying literally. I´m a foreign person, so forgive me the language flu I cause here and there. Cool, I can blame the language as apology that there are better words (than I used) to express best what I wanted to say. It´s gonna be late. This should be my last post for today.

Of course there are also A.Kutcher fans and they share his happiness. I understand that, even it does not look like. But if you stick to the original cast (and I mean all former cast peo) you easily forget that some peo´s loss is another one´s fortune. I bet, this idiom is not a 100% correct... but ok.

And here is a breaking news, I´ve seen movies with Ashton that I liked. He is ok, peo just don´t want to see him at men instead of. So don´t be pissed off bec of me. I´m a good girl and most of the time a lot more relaxed. But you might have recognized, I´m into the series and I care what happens next. I really try to understand all peo involved here. I said nice things about Lorre, too. I´ve spent hours of reading news, research, reading lots of vanity cards to make up my mind about a person like Charles, Chaim, Chuck or whatever Lorre, Levine. I visited Ashtons twitter page.
I´m open minded enough to give it a try...

I do not want to see peo fail, neither Lorre nor Kutcher no whoever. I´m not such a mean person. And I do not want the series to fail. I´m a fan. It would be terrible, if it fails bec of some stupid fast decisions. It could happen...
I like to be prepared.

It must be able to say, I like the cast the way it was before.

I don´t think it is about defending Sheen. He has better peo (paid peo, experts) around to do so. Maybe he has no one around or only a few ones to really rely on. I´m not sure about his peo now.
There is hardly anyone he really listens to anyway, maybe family. They are also unable to help...
He does not think doing s.th. wrong that he himself ruins his life, there is no serious apology, there are still insults going on, remarks on twitter peo think at first to be nice & kind but in fact they are not.
What happens next...
I do not think him to have found his peace with the series/producers/...

I also think there is (hardly any) no way for him to get back, that the Sheen on team time is over...
Yesterday I wrote, that it all reminds me of playing a game and the game seems to be over now. I just don´t like to see the winners win :O)

Last famous quote and comment for me today: "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don´t matter and those who matter don´t mind."

It´s time for me to get more and more used to the idea, that it´s now another men series and I have to decide what´s the best for me, watch it or leave it out.

Sleep well. Here it´s rather time to go to bed and I have no 2,3,4 gods around...

Bye for now

1230 days ago
838.

Mara_55    

@ wendyw

I know it´s all about money... I wrote that myself, maybe yesterday? under another tmz picture. Ok, you can´t and won´t read all comments here about the topic.


I wrote (also yesterday) that a lot of peo still benefit from it.
And some got quite fat asses bec of 2,5 men.

I also know that the series HAD to go on because (besides the striking argument money) you can´t end an (international) successful series like that. There is no reason to end just bec one person. At the end it was successful, so it can and should go on.

There are contracts. If they end up the series there will be more law action that just Charlies.

My quest were more rhetorical ones. No answer is needed.
A single person does not really matter.

They have to avoid that the last news about men will be a bad one. Peo will never forget what happened with men, how it was before and how it is after.

Besides money, contracts. If it fails peo stop buying merch stuff, dvds, stop watching, they stop it in an instand. It wouldn´t be the first series ending sooner that expected or without finishing. I ve seen a lot series with questionable endings. They will realize very quickly, if the viewers accept the changes or not. They can promise to do whatever more seasons. They´d promise all to go on.

Compare it with Grey´s Anatomy. At least 2 of the main character´s want to leave the series. But they are important to the series, fans really liked them, liked them the most. And it´s said, if they stop this could be seriously the end of the series. And I also think they planned, promised and fixed it to go on. To some things, you can´t be prepared.This series has a lot of characters and you might think, there is no difference if two peo are missing, concentrate on others then. But looks like, it´s not that easy. Main characters are main characters, there is a difference. Looks like the prod of Grey´s A are pretty aware of their actors, who´s hot and who is not. That they think of rather ending it than follow it fail.

Don´t think me to be naive or stupid. Or do yo, you are allowed to think whatever you want. I read my comments twice or three times before publishing.
Besides, I worked several years in this bizz. I should know better.

some famous quotes:
It´s all about money.
Money makes the world go round.
A business makes nothing but money is a poor business.


As a matter of fact peo try to get as many out of the series as possible. It´s the way it is.

1230 days ago
839.

Mara_55    

@ wendyw

I know it´s all about money... I wrote that myself, maybe yesterday? under another tmz picture. Ok, you can´t and won´t read all comments here about the topic.


I wrote (also yesterday) that a lot of peo still benefit from it.
And some got quite fat asses bec of 2,5 men.

I also know that the series HAD to go on because (besides the striking argument money) you can´t end an (international) successful series like that. There is no reason to end just bec one person. At the end it was successful, so it can and should go on.

There are contracts. If they end up the series there will be more law action that just Charlies.

My quest were more rhetorical ones. No answer is needed.
A single person does not really matter.

They have to avoid that the last news about men will be a bad one. Peo will never forget what happened with men, how it was before and how it is after.

Besides money, contracts. If it fails peo stop buying merch stuff, dvds, stop watching, they stop it in an instand. It wouldn´t be the first series ending sooner that expected or without finishing. I ve seen a lot series with questionable endings. They will realize very quickly, if the viewers accept the changes or not. They can promise to do whatever more seasons. They´d promise all to go on.

Compare it with Grey´s Anatomy. At least 2 of the main character´s want to leave the series. But they are important to the series, fans really liked them, liked them the most. And it´s said, if they stop this could be seriously the end of the series. And I also think they planned, promised and fixed it to go on. To some things, you can´t be prepared.This series has a lot of characters and you might think, there is no difference if two peo are missing, concentrate on others then. But looks like, it´s not that easy. Main characters are main characters, there is a difference. Looks like the prod of Grey´s A are pretty aware of their actors, who´s hot and who is not. That they think of rather ending it than follow it fail.

Don´t think me to be naive or stupid. Or do yo, you are allowed to think whatever you want. I read my comments twice or three times before publishing.
Besides, I worked several years in this bizz. I should know better.

some famous quotes:
It´s all about money.
Money makes the world go round.
A business makes nothing but money is a poor business.


As a matter of fact peo try to get as many out of the series as possible. It´s the way it is.

1230 days ago
840.

mysteria333    

mr. lorre... i mean really come on now,, lets be realistic. there is no two and a half men without charlie.. in this depressing world filled with greed and deception ,, the only laughter i seem to find is watching charlie on two and a half men.. i like ashton a lot but notta !! preeople want charlie back on the show !!! the two of you if you just have to can bicker all you want... business wise what are you thinking ?? you will only lose by putting ashton or anyone else but charlie right where he belongs..please do the right thinf...

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