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Conrad Murray Case

D.A. Wants Doc to Pay

More than $100 MILLION!!!

11/24/2011 12:43 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

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Prosecutors in the Conrad Murray manslaughter case are asking Judge Michael Pastor to order the doc to pay Michael Jackson's children more than $100 million for their loss.
 
According to new court docs filed by the D.A., Michael Jackson's kids are "entitled to wages or profits lost due to injury incurred by the victim."

Prosecutors say MJ's 3 kids are victims under the law, and are entitled to restitution from Dr. Murray ... which include wages, lost profits and funeral expenses.  The D.A. cites a letter from the MJ Estate, estimating Michael would have made $100 million in revenue from the "This Is It" tour. 

As we first reported, the D.A. is also seeking the maximum punishment -- 4 years in State Prison.  The D.A. says they are seeking the max because Murray was "risking Mr. Jackson's life every night" by administering Propofol.  And the D.A. says, MJ was a "particularly vulnerable victim."  And the D.A. says, Murray lied and covered-up his crime.


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211.

MiMi    

OhWell: 958 days ago

toofastforyou! Is My Gay Lover

1027 days ago
212.

nan    

This is for the person who keeps posting the links about Jordan Chandler...
Not quite sure what your point is but..just to help clear it up ..
1)insurance policy did pay for the settlement , it was brought up in 2005 court..
Evan was looking for money since the day his ex wife pushed her way into Michaels life by putting him on the spot to call her son right in front of the boy..She was pursuing him ..seems she was lining up her next meal ticket and Evan was initially happy about it ..She testified in court that when Evan heard they were friends he said "jordy will be set for life "
We know that Evan was looking for millions also and wanted to be MJ partner on movies..:((

that is in court transcripts also.
June was a jerk to Evan flaunting her friendship with Mj and making him feel he was losing his place as a father figure.( that is my opinion).He was too AND he wasnt getting his movie deal either..:((
2)I watched your video you put up...they would like to believe the description matched.. but it didnt .Didnt even get the non cir***cised part right and he had a 50/50 shot at it.....as a matter of fact Larry Feldman asked for the pictures to be withdrawn from the case , after MJ was photographed ..
By the way did you notice the accusations changed , after he couldnt identify markings on mj correctly?
yep.
accusations/ time lines have a way of changing when they exonerate Michael Jackson and it is always just fine with Tom Sneddon..
I know Tom Sneddon asked for them to be introduced in the 2005 trial but he also did NOT ASK for Jordans description to be introduced WITH THEM .why not ??
because it didnt match...Just trying to throw a little mud and see what sticks..:(((...make it more salacious..

Mj had an art book , that is not illegal .
If it was he would have been arrested as well as the publisher of the book ..That didnt happen because it is perfectly legal..
..I dont know why they dont mention that there was NO kiddie porn in his house or on his computers.
They were supposed to share that info with the defense according to the fbi files but didnt...
not sharing exculpatory evidence is a big no no ..
anyway he had ten years of heterosexual porn like hustler.
that is in court transcripts also
.hardly a man sexually interested in male children..

So why wasnt Mj arrested?

Sneddon would not have needed Jordan to testify since he had Ralph Chacon and the rest of the neverland 5,who alleged he saw MJ improperly touching a child ..of course he originally said it was the Australian kid..when he adamantly insisted it never happened ,it became Jordan..

so according to your info, he would have had a statement from a child with a matching description, kiddie porn and a witness and he didn t go forward..why not??
Because there was no match,no kiddie porn and no credible witnesses... department of children services cleared MJ and so did two grand juries..

As far as the officer saying they matched..I have heard so many people in law enforcement on tabloid shows say "they Heard"they matched ....the boy sounded credible etc...It is called a whisper campaign..
These people thought Gavin Arviso sounded credible too and he was completely full of ***** also ..they had absolutely no objectivity , just bought everything they said with no hesitation..Sneddon admitted that himself..
BTW these are the same cops that interagated Corey Feldman who insisted MJ never did anythign untoward but told them someone else molested him TWICE and they did NOTHING about it ..because it didnt fit their agenda..


Sneddon DID have a supposed co operating victim in jason francia ....
why was he never charged with anything regarding him,,??
at first in the interrogation tapes says over and over again that MJ did not do anything , but finally laments "he will have to try and come up with something":((
that is his 1108 witness .
One who was brought to him courtesy of larry feldman building his molestation case and needing a back up victim.
that is in the transcripts also.
mj was out of the country at the time the tickling incident was suppose to have taken place for close to two years..
His mother wanted money and once again Sneddon could not put this whole thing together because of his underlying issues of contempt and dislike for Jackson

Btw Francia was essentially laughed out of court..see transcripts , maureen orth article in VF and mile tiabbi reporting


Jordan gave Dr Gardner , the expert in false child accusations, an interview .on the advice of his lawyer , larry feldman..
And we know that when listening to the tape Jordan sounds as if he is telling a story in order.... cannot answer things unless he is keeping it in order ..
Doesnt like the doctors interrupting his flow , asking questions...
when asked for info out of order , he refers questions to his mom ...
Only thing he says, he is afraid of, is "cross examination"
Feldman never had this doctor give his opinion, he went to Katz, to interpret it for him...who is affiliated with the mcmartin pre school debacle where many innocent people were jailed on false accusations of molestation and were eventually set free when the children grew up and said they were forced and cajoled into making statements by interviewers..Katz was very involved with that garbage..
This is simply a civil atty methodically building a molestation case..should be obvious , even to sneddon but as I said ..he has issues..

They were so caught up in the excitement of the Michael Jackson case they completely lost objectivity...embarrassed themselves terribly with this case..
Anyway ..
We also know, from FBI files , that Jordan "I did my part" Chandler wouldnt show up , the prosecution didnt want to bring Evan in from what I understand(obvious reasons , he was mentally ill) and Ray Chandler would not come in either , all the while promoting his book on t.v. and lamenting how his nephew wouldnt testify..just looking for money.
Of course Mj was in court , he showed up..
They had supposedly taken the cash so that Jordan wouldnt have to be subjected to all this ...and all the while they are soliciting the national enquirer with more stories, just days after the settlement
...how sad for Jordan that his own father would treat him like a pawn in his sick game..

I really hope this will help some understand why MJ was exonerated of all this garbage ..
And why , althougt Evan was ill, he chose to blow his brains out right before the release of the fbi files..
I think the closest Jordan is going to get to giving a public apology for all this, is the remarks he made to tabloid reporter diane dimond who tried to spin it as best she could ..
NOBODY would bother with Evan because of his serious mental health issues .( remember he tried to kill Jordan)
NOBODY showed up for his funeral either.
What strikes me is how they just want to be done with this guy,,no kind words , at all for the man who supposedly saved his son from a predator and secured generational wealth via insurance settlement??
Not one word of even the fainest praise..nothing because they hate the man ..
so that is why people are fond of mj , they know he was getting railroaded .
you will notice childrens hospitals are hanging his artwork up and he has tributes all over the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if they turned Neverland into a hospice /hospital for sick and dying children as that was always his intention, before Evan destroyed that dream ,that would have helped so many..:((
The only positive that came out of his untimely death is people started to really examine the accusations and realized this was just a few greedy families with the same civil atty , being enabled by a bigoted and ambitious D.A and his girl friday tabloid reporter Diane Dimond..LOL
All you have to do is go on you tube and see how many likes there are for MJ and the not guilty verdicts ..

I notice your contact button just goes off to some site , almost as if you just want to throw crap out there and not have to defend it..oh well
at any rate , hope this helps and i hope you had a nice Thanksgiving..

1027 days ago
213.

nan    

btw Hope everyone had a nice holiday today..have a good night

1027 days ago
214.

mac the knife    

kudos Nan..

AND EVAN CHANDLER BLEW HIS BRAINS OUT.. 3-4 MOS AFTER MICHael's passing.

diane Dimond tried to make spin of it-- that he was ill.. maybe so.. b ut still.. his brains were all over his bed! and he died estranged from his familuy-- Jordan.

Ray Chandler is another s***bag-- & he's supposed to be a lawyer? he was in cahoots that other s***bag.. Gutierrez.. in their lame book.

Francia only sued Mj bec of Diane Dimond & Hard Copy.. DIANE DIMOND HAS A LOT TO PAY FOR .. FOR WHAT SHE DID AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON! she really does.

meanwhile.. her career is in the toilet.. she hardly gets TV time now.. I think I saw her once as some talking heads after the Murray verdict on CNN.. Bashir too has graveyard shift.. on MSNBC.. they are all doomed.

yeah.. June /Chandler is the only mother I have seen whose kid got about with Mj who loved being front & center esp in front of the media. Oh Cascio has some interesting things to say about the /chandlers in his book.. nothing bad.. but it does show.. to MJ they were just another family he was friendly.. not the sinister Bull Dimond made it out to be.. if anything Michael.. spent enormous times with the Cascio family en masse.. that who he got very close too.. & NO.. FRank Cascio doesn't betray Mj in his book.. as usual.. the media took everything out of context when they plugged his book.sensationalised it.

1027 days ago
215.

What I Think    

IIIII AAAMMMMM AAASSSSLLLLEEEEEEEPPPPP.

Michael Jackson

1027 days ago
216.

aspire    

Prosecutor: Make doctor pay $100 million for Michael Jackson's death
By Alan Duke, CNN
November 25, 2011 -- Updated 0022 GMT (0822 HKT)
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

NEW: Dr. Conrad Murray has "displayed a complete lack of remorse," prosecutors say
NEW: My son is "saddened and remorseful," Murray's mother writes to the judge
Prosecution and defense lawyers file sentence memos in Murray's case
Judge Pastor is to sentence Murray on Tuesday

Los Angeles (CNN) -- When a judge sentences Dr. Conrad Murray next week for involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, he can choose anything from simple probation to up to four years in prison plus a hefty payment.

Prosecutors, in a sentencing memo filed this week, asked for the maximum, four years behind bars. They also want Murray to pay Jackson's children more than $100 million in restitution.

Defense lawyers, in their filing, asked for probation, not prison time, in light of the "manifold collateral consequences" Murray is suffering because of the felony conviction, including the loss of his medical career.

A jury found Murray guilty this month of causing Jackson's death on June 25, 2009. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor set Tuesday for Murray's sentencing.

The coroner ruled Jackson died from a fatal combination of the surgical anesthetic propofol and sedatives, which prosecutors blamed on Murray's reckless efforts to help Jackson sleep.

Murray has "displayed a complete lack of remorse" about Jackson's death, and is "even worse, failing to accept even the slightest level of responsibility," deputy district attorneys David Walgren and Deborah Brazil wrote in a sentencing memorandum filed Wednesday.

The prosecutors cited Murray's decision not to testify in his own defense, even while he was giving interviews for a do***entary that aired days after the verdict.

"In each of these interviews, the defendant has very clearly stated that he bears no responsibility for Michael Jackson's death," the prosecutors said. "Moreover, the defendant has continued to express concern only for his individual plight and portrays himself, not the decedent, as the victim."

"I don't feel guilty because I did not do anything wrong," Murray said in the do***entary quoted by the prosecution.

"Finally, the defendant consistently blames the victim for his own death, even going so far as to characterize himself as being 'entrapped' by the victim and as someone who suffered a 'betrayal' at the hands of the victim," the prosecutors said.

Jackson's death came as he was preparing for a series of comeback concerts in London, which the defense argued caused great pressure on the singer to seek sleep or risk having the concerts canceled.

The prosecutors contend in their sentencing memo that Murray should be ordered to pay Jackson's three children restitution for the subsequent "wage and profits lost," as provided under California's "victim's bill of rights" law.

"The (Michael Jackson) estate estimates Michael Jackson's projected earnings for the 50-show O2 concert series to be $100,000,000," the prosecutors said.

With nearly $2 million in funeral expenses and 10% interest added each year, the prosecution is asking Pastor to order Murray to pay Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson more than $120 million in restitution.

While it is doubtful that Murray, who is unlikely to ever practice medicine again, could pay much of that sum, it could prevent him from reaping financial benefits from any books, interviews or film projects in the future.

The defense sentencing memo asking for probation and no jail time included a biography of Murray that described him as "a self-made man of humble origins."

"He was raised in a home that lacked indoor plumbing or electricity, and he walked to school barefoot for his first couple years of school," the defense said.

Murray paid his own way through medical school without scholarships or family funds, it said.

He worked as a doctor for 20 years, with "no prior contacts with the law," and many of his patients were elderly in low-income, underserved communities, the defense said.

"It seems reasonable that the transgression for which he is to be judged should be viewed within the context of the larger life of which it is a part," it said.

The defense filing challenges the prosecution's contention that Murray is not remorseful.

"Dr. Murray wishes to make it unmistakenly clear to everyone that he deeply mourns the loss of Michael Jackson's life, and he profoundly regrets any mistakes or oversights on his part that may have contributed to it," the defense said.

The judge should also consider "the manifold collateral consequences that Dr. Murray has sustained as a result of his mistake," the defense said, including the loss of his medical career, the public disgrace and loss of privacy.

"Dr. Murray has been described as a changed, grief-stricken man, who walks around under a pall of sadness since the loss of his patient, Mr. Jackson," the defense said.

The defense memo included a letter from Murray's elderly mother, Milta Rush. She sat in court for much of her son's trial, just a few feet away from Katherine Jackson, the mother of Michael Jackson.

"I sympathize with Mrs. Jackson as a mother," Rush wrote in a letter to the judge. "I sense she was very close to her son. I really wanted to approach her personally and tell her I am sorry for the loss of her son but I was unsure if she would be receptive, and I did not want to take the chance of violating court rules. I am sorry for all her loss."

While Murray's mother told the judge her son is "saddened and remorseful" about Jackson's death, she said "his compassion and his soft heartedness for others led to this dilemma."

The defense contends that Murray was trying to help Jackson, who was desperate for sleep so he could be ready for rehearsals. "His compassionate intentions should not be overlooked," it said.

"The victim was a willing recipient of the medications administered," the defense said. "In fact, Mr. Jackson had repeatedly begged Dr. Murray for propofol to overcome his insomnia so that he could sleep."

Murray does not pose a safety threat to the public, it said. "The likelihood of recurrence is essentially nonexistent since Conrad Murray's medical license has been suspended."

Aside from the arguments of what Murray deserves, the defense contends California's prison and jail overcrowding mean that "neither the space nor the public funds exist to continue imprisoning non-violent, non-dangerous offenders who do not need to be incapacitated for the sake of public safety."

"Dr. Murray is clearly such a defendant," the defense said. "He is an individual who remained free on bond for more than two years prior to the jury verdict, adhering assiduously to all of the bond conditions that had been imposed."

If Murray takes up a state prison or county jail cell, it "may mean that someone else with higher potential for violence will be released," the defense said.

Instead, the defense proposed that Murray could be sentenced to community service along with probation.

"Though he will perhaps not again be a doctor qualified to make diagnoses, he could educate and counsel patients about heart care and disease prevention," it said. "There are many non-profit clinics and organizations that would benefit from his participation, if ordered to perform community service as a condition of his sentence and a means of 'putting some water back into the public well.'"

1027 days ago
217.

mac the knife    

bah.. that defense petition is RUBBISH! that's all t hey can say after when all their maneuvering/gambits/antics didn't work!

they can whistle dixie.. MURRAY IS GOING T O PRISON.. FULL STOP!

Nareg is so damn lame-- youd think.. his client was Lohan..(whose destructive to herself) his client KILLED A PATIENT!

1027 days ago
218.

Cherwood    

Greed: The Crime Does NOT Pay, Edition.....
Okay so I was planning to move on but I see the LOONIES are running amok on this one. Is this a T-PARTY channel or what?? Somebody's been watching WAY too much CNBC....ouch....
Let me say this:
-Bruno, keep laughing about that 100 mil, but any IDIOT knows it's not about getting that EXACT amount from him, it's about discouraging him from selling any stories regarding his connection to Michael. And if he does, it puts him on notice that no matter how many books or TV deals he gets, he will NEVER fully profit from them because they're based on him taking another man's LIFE....HELLO....
And any of you out there who thinks he should be able to cash in on what he did, think about it this way: Imagine it's YOUR loved one Murray killed, especially if you're as young as PPB are, having most of your life ahead of you and knowing you'll never see your Dad again. No amount of money will ever make up for that, but better for it to be in THEIR pocket, than in Murray's.....
-Gayfor, I see you're still on here spitting STUPIDITY! Here's the thing, in case you didn't realize it, KEVORKIAN IS A CRIMINAL just like Murray!!
As for who hired Murray, there is NO PROOF that Michael hired him for the Concerts. Michael KNEW him from treating PPB's colds in Vegas but that's it. If you did your RESEARCH, you'd know that Murray had ties to Tohme and Barrack who are close with Randy Phillips of AEG, and in the upcoming Wrongful Death Suit against AEG, they include communications that went between Phillips and Murray LONG before the point where he claims Michael hired him in April of 2009. You have to remember that much of what was accepted as fact in this case was Murray's LIES...it was MURRAY and PHILLIPS who claimed Michael hired Murray--both knew they had to perpetuate this lie in order to save their own hides. It worked for Phillips but Murray not so much. Then again, he told so many lies that even his own attorneys couldn't figure out what was truth....
BTW: If you look at any pic of Michael through the years with the exception of the HIStory period, you'll see that he's always been as thin as a reed, but NEVER weak. The only WEAK thing here is YOU, wasting valuable space with your TABLOID Gossip....
The only IRONY is that you actually think you're making sense.....
-The Truth, really? you're going with THAT nic? Okay so let's talk about the REAL truth:
WHO CARES whether or not Murray's 9 children get any of the money? That money was made from Michael's BLOOD. It's bad enough those kids are going to have to grow up and realize their Father is the UNREMORSEFUL MONSTER who killed the GREATEST ENTERTAINER ON EARTH, but to have them actually PROFIT from it? YOU c'mon!!
Not to mention the OBVIOUS fact: MURRAY'S CHILDREN STILL HAVE THEIR FATHER ALIVE AND WITH THEM, IDIOT!!
It never ceases to amaze me the levels of IGNORANCE on these boards. As I told someone earlier, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MONEY, STUPID! The D.A. is making that threat in order to discourage the GREEDY DEMON from selling his story to the highest bidder like he did with that Doc....
As for you thinking it's "UNFAIR" that Michael is blame free in his own death, TOO BAD! Murray was given a fair trial and found GUILTY. If anything that trial proved just how much Michael had nothing to do with what happened to him, while Murray had everything to do with it. But it's clear that you never bothered to watch the Trial which would've explained all of this--why should you, when you can use TABLOID headlines to help you keep you PREJUDICED view of Michael. Most people in the U.S. who watched the Trial have come away from it realizing their folly in swallowing everything they were told about Michael. Heck, even Chernoff admits that Michael was painted in the worst light by the Media...
And of course you had to revert to type by dragging Winehouse into this who was a KNOWN drug addict and alcoholic up until her death. There were Youtube clips of her using. On the other hand there is NO PROOF that Michael was a drug addict! He admitted he was dependant on Pain killers in '93, and then he went to Rehab and got clean. That is the ONLY time there is proof that he had problems with Meds. Even the Coroner's Report stated that his body showed NO SIGNS OF DRUG ABUSE! So if he had been taking Demerol and all that crap, it would've showed due to the affect they had on his organs. Turns out the only Meds found in his system are the Propofol and Benzos Murray gave him. Read the Coroner's Report and weep! Michael did take Meds for various illnesses, but that does NOT make him an addict anymore than it makes you or I one. It's SO hypocritical for people in this country to YAP about anyone being an addict because they take meds when 90% of the country is on one thing or the other and most people consider smoking Pot as normal as drinking a glass of wine....LUDICROUS!!!
Bottom line, Murray is LUCKY to be charged with Manslaughter and ordered to pay 100 mil. If he got what he REALLY deserved, it would've been 25 to LIFE! You seem to forget that it was HIS actions that took Michael's life--and he did it KNOWING that it was ILLEGAL to administer Propofol for Insomnia, in someone's home, without the proper medical equipment, AND without constant supervision. What he did was tantamount to MURDER and he would've been charged that if his victim had been anyone but Michael Jackson--a mega-star that the Media had vilified to such a degree that the average American considered him capable of ANY perversion....
As for Murray's career being over, it never got started to begin with. He became what little he was holding onto his SHADY father's coattails, and his long-suffering wife's, who was a REAL doctor, not some MURDERER for hire....
As for shooting Murray, I am a life long Michael supporter who only wants JUSTICE. Shooting Murray will NOT bring my Michael back....further, it's disgusting to even SUGGEST that Murray's blood could even BEGIN to be worth Michael's....ugh....
You and your ilk always try to make Michael's fans out to be crazy vengeful fanatics, but if that's the truth, how do you think your boy Murray walked through those court doors every day without a scratch? Apparently, you missed the 101 TMZ stories that showed Murray frolicking with his Hootchie and son at various beaches, getaways, etc....uh-huh....
-Fact1, that's a great point: when IS Texas and Nevada going to take away Murray's licenses, or have they already done so? I haven't heard anything about it if they did, but I plan to write to the appropriate legislators to find out what's taking them so long....
One thing Murray did do was help me beware of EVER getting sick in Houston or Vegas. If Murray is the level of Quality care they look for in doctors, I'll go elsewhere.....sad......
-Molly, you are so right! 20 yrs, to life for robbing a bank, but they also can get 5 to 10 yrs for possession of LESS THAN AN OUNCE of Street drugs, but only FOUR YEARS for KILLING a man. Accident or not, the penalty should be MUCH heavier--especially when Murray knew FULL well the dangers of administering the Meds like he did....
talk about a BACKWARD Legal system....
-Kaprifol, I LOVED, LOVED your post, so much so I have to repeat it:
"We used to burn witches on stakes in Europe, using false allegations to justify our deeds. I thought that was outdated in modern countries. I was wrong. Reading the comments in here, I can see that many people find it okey to drive an innocent victim to death by refusing to consider facts and evidence of his innocence.
In the old days, the reason for this was fear - the women were too strong, too "different" yet always very modest and quiet. So all of you accusing MJ in SPITE of do***ented evidence that he was innocent, he sure must evoke some kind of fear inside you. Too powerful? Too compassionate? Or just a fear of anything and anyone who is "different"?"
Thanks for being the VOICE OF REASON on this board....GON' GIRL!!
-Holly, like you're making a "COMPLETE FOOL" of yourself with that Pic? Oye, indeed....
-Disgusted and all of the rest of the IDIOTS onboard who claim the Jacksons have anything to do with the D.A.'s charge against Murray: I am NO fan of the Family, however, not everything should be attributed to them. If you did your research, you'd realize that they more likely would NOT want the DA to ask Murray for this amount of money because it cuts into the money THEY could receive from him in the Civil Suit Joe has filed against him....
Why don't you google that and then come back here and we can have an INTELLIGENT conversation of what this is all about...
As for Michael being BROKE, again READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!! Remember, when many of the Rich and famous report being "broke", it's not the same as the common man's broke, it simply means he does have the LIQUID ASSETS to cover some CURRENT debts he may have. Many of them have their money tied up in various corporations or OFFSHORE ACCTS--some of which are designed to keep the SHARKS around them (including Family) at bay. Michael's main financial issue is that he also had several untrustworthy Financial Mgrs--including his brother, Randy, handling his affairs, and often they weren't paying the bills in a timely manner. Of course, Michael and any other Artist should stay abreast of their own financial affairs, but it's easier said than done when you're talking close to a BILLION. He didn't have that much before he died, but he had ASSETS worth that amount and more with the 50% of the Sony/ATV, the MIJac Catalog, 25% of Neverland (after the Fortress Loan bail out,) Hayvenhurst, and truckloads of Art, collectibles, and Memorabilia......
Bottom line, the D.A. has NOT "overstepped" his boundaries, he's doing his JOB! His point is to force Murray to realize that he is NOT a celebrity, he's a CRIMINAL who MURDERED a human being and he should not be allowed to profit off of that. It's not about getting that money out of Murray, it's about DISCOURAGING Murray from continuing in his GREED.....
As for what you say PPB should be paying Murray for, I'd like to have you look in a mirror and repeat that statement. Now I know why you gave yourself that nic--because YOU are DISGUSTING!!! Michael was the BEST Father to his children and there have been MANY people who attested to that--even his detractors say they admit that they couldn't find ANYONE to say he wasn't a great Father and that's all that counts. PPB doesn't care about money because Michael brought them up to value the IMPORTANT things in life such as LOVE, READING, ART, MUSIC, and caring for your fellow man before yourself...
Michael loved those children more than anything and there was NOTHING he wouldn't do for them. Murray won't even pay to fulfill his Children's BASIC needs without being hauled into court. I rest my case........
-Hey Human Nature! So glad to see you're still here fighting the GOOD fight--so PROUD OF YOU!! It takes more than a mere mortal to battle the LOONIES on board, especially this Lexi character who completely disregards the FACTS to continue wallowing in her VOMIT OF LIES......talk about disgusting.....
-Lexi, you have to be the BIGGEST JOKE on these boards and that's saying something! Everything you say comes straight out of a TABLOID, but you're so blinded with your HATE for Michael that nothing anyone says makes a difference.
So you keep on thinking Michael was guilty of the allegations, despite the Trial Transcripts, evidence of EXTORTION from the Victim and their Attorneys, Do***ents regarding the Unethical activities of TOM SNEDDON and THE SBDA's office, and the FBI FILES stating that they tailed Michael for TEN YEARS and found ZERO, NADA, ZILCH.....
Keep on thinking he was a Drug Addict, despite the CORONER'S REPORT that stated his body showed NO SIGNS of DRUG ABUSE, and the only Meds found in his system was the Propofol and Benzos, or the fact that other than the time he announced that he had become addicted to Pain killers in '93 and got clean after going to Rehab, there is NO PROOF that he was addicted again. And NO, just because some Tabloid said he LOOKED high, doesn't mean he was. He took Meds for various ailments just like we all do. The bottles of Meds the Defense wanted to highlight were reviewed by the Forensics team and many showed that Michael had failed to take the Meds as prescribed if anything since he was behind on most of them. Other bottles were dated and may have been from years before--if they were even his since some didn't have a label on them. What most people overlook is the fact that if Michael was REALLY an addict, why would he have all of these Meds where anyone could see them and find him out? Most addicts like to keep their habit a secret so they wouldn't leave them on display like that. You have to remember that Murray was alone with Michael for many hours on the day he died and he had AMPLE opportunity to set the stage to make it look like Michael was an addict who took his life. Even when the ambulance had loaded Michael's body and was ready to leave, Murray kept them waiting for TEN MINUTES while he went to retrieve "something he had forgotten" from the crime scene......
And of course you revert to type and bring up Klein, a doctor who was restoring Michael's face, but hadn't seen him for a WEEK prior to his death. But then this all came out in the trial which you insist you watched...yeh, we really believe that....
And finally, you want to place the blame for Michael's death on him and his family. While I agree that the family is greedy, they are NOT responsible for his death. None of them were at the Holmby Mansion that night, and none of them gave Michael Propofol and Benzos without the Proper Medical Equipment, and then LEFT him alone so they could speak to their girlfriends. MURRAY is the one who did that. And Michael had no reason to want to kill himself. He had THREE reasons to live: Prince, Paris, and Blanket, as well as the fact that he KNEW he was going to pull off the CONCERT TO END ALL CONCERTS with TII!!
You and others say Michael "got what he asked for", but how do YOU know he asked for it? Were you there? You can't base TRUTH on you Bible of TABLOID Journalism. There is NO PROOF that Michael ever asked Murray or anyone else besides a former DENTIST for Propofol--and that was for a DENTAL PROCEDURE. The whole Propofol story is based on GOSSIP from the HIStory Tour that Dr Ratner gave him that to sleep, but that has never been proven. A member of the crew claimed Ratner had a Hospital bed with IV drip for Michael during the HIStory days, and he would "take him down at night, then bring him up again in the morning". Anyone who has followed Michael knows about these rumors, but they never got Ratner to admit he did anything but be Michael's Physician on the Tour. Michael had several injuries with his back and knee during that period, and Ratner was supposed to be in charge of Pain Therapy for his injuires. Also, Michael always suffered from dehydration on every Tour and the treatment requires a Saline drip and Oxygen, which is the reason for the Oxygen tanks and IV drip. For this reason, we don't even know if Michael knew Murray was giving him the Propofol if he put it in a Saline bag on an IV drip. Since this setup was one Michael was accustomed to for treatment of dehydration--the reason he called Murray to come help him in the first place on that night.....
Bottom line, you say we want to blame everyone but Michael, but notice how you want to blame everyone but Murray--the CREEP who was convicted of the crime in the first place....
Then again, perhaps you have some SKIN in the game....are you one of his Hootchies, upset that you won't get your cut of that Do***entary money? If so, I have one last thing to say:
CRIME NEVER PAYS AND NEITHER DOES BEING A HOOTCHIE!!!
Put that in your INSTRUMENT and smoke it......
..................SIZZLING....................

1027 days ago
219.

mj is alive dont hate he loves you more    

I see Sneddons media rats are out in full force hehe just becouse you read it in a magazine yara yara yara get the script
Its all for L.O.V.E.

1027 days ago
220.

HumanNature    

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


THE VOODOO "QUACK" HAD HIS 1st THANKSGIVING LOCKED UP IN JAIL ON A SUICIDE WATCH!!!!


4 MORE DAYS AND THE "MURDERER" WANT TO SPEAK!!!


“Liars begin by imposing upon others, but end deceiving themselves." -Anonymous

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.” ― Walter Scott

1027 days ago
221.

Susan62509    

The child support for Murray's kids will NOT be impacted if any restitution monies are awarded to MJ's kids. Our legal system does not work that way. Any money Murray earns will go to his child support first. If there is excess money remaining from his paycheck after paying child support then MJ's children would receive that. This would be ongoing until each of Murray's kids turned 18. After the last kid turns 18, then MJ's kids will get their portion. In other words, Murray will be living as a poor man the rest of his working life.

Walgren is NOT handling a civil case. Walgren is asking for restitution against the criminal death case. Only Katherine and Michael's children (the beneficiaries) are entitled to file a civil lawsuit against Murray. It's two different cases entirely i.e., criminal and civil.

Michael's children have white and latino mother's. There are a lot of racists posting on this blog topic. Is that due to intelligence level, hate or jealousy?

David Walgren and Deborah Brazil have done an outstanding job in prosecuting Murray's case and obtaining a winning verdict. Murray should never be allowed in the medical field the rest of his life. He's a disgrace to society and doesn't have any common sense therefore creating a danger to the public.

1027 days ago
222.

Missy    

Worth re-posting! Thanks Nan

nan: 8 hours ago
This is for the person who keeps posting the links about Jordan Chandler...
Not quite sure what your point is but..just to help clear it up ..
1)insurance policy did pay for the settlement , it was brought up in 2005 court..
Evan was looking for money since the day his ex wife pushed her way into Michaels life by putting him on the spot to call her son right in front of the boy..She was pursuing him ..seems she was lining up her next meal ticket and Evan was initially happy about it ..She testified in court that when Evan heard they were friends he said "jordy will be set for life "
We know that Evan was looking for millions also and wanted to be MJ partner on movies..:((

that is in court transcripts also.
June was a jerk to Evan flaunting her friendship with Mj and making him feel he was losing his place as a father figure.( that is my opinion).He was too AND he wasnt getting his movie deal either..:((
2)I watched your video you put up...they would like to believe the description matched.. but it didnt .Didnt even get the non cir***cised part right and he had a 50/50 shot at it.....as a matter of fact Larry Feldman asked for the pictures to be withdrawn from the case , after MJ was photographed ..
By the way did you notice the accusations changed , after he couldnt identify markings on mj correctly?
yep.
accusations/ time lines have a way of changing when they exonerate Michael Jackson and it is always just fine with Tom Sneddon..
I know Tom Sneddon asked for them to be introduced in the 2005 trial but he also did NOT ASK for Jordans description to be introduced WITH THEM .why not ??
because it didnt match...Just trying to throw a little mud and see what sticks..:(((...make it more salacious..

Mj had an art book , that is not illegal .
If it was he would have been arrested as well as the publisher of the book ..That didnt happen because it is perfectly legal..
..I dont know why they dont mention that there was NO kiddie porn in his house or on his computers.
They were supposed to share that info with the defense according to the fbi files but didnt...
not sharing exculpatory evidence is a big no no ..
anyway he had ten years of heterosexual porn like hustler.
that is in court transcripts also
.hardly a man sexually interested in male children..

So why wasnt Mj arrested?

Sneddon would not have needed Jordan to testify since he had Ralph Chacon and the rest of the neverland 5,who alleged he saw MJ improperly touching a child ..of course he originally said it was the Australian kid..when he adamantly insisted it never happened ,it became Jordan..

so according to your info, he would have had a statement from a child with a matching description, kiddie porn and a witness and he didn t go forward..why not??
Because there was no match,no kiddie porn and no credible witnesses... department of children services cleared MJ and so did two grand juries..

As far as the officer saying they matched..I have heard so many people in law enforcement on tabloid shows say "they Heard"they matched ....the boy sounded credible etc...It is called a whisper campaign..
These people thought Gavin Arviso sounded credible too and he was completely full of ***** also ..they had absolutely no objectivity , just bought everything they said with no hesitation..Sneddon admitted that himself..
BTW these are the same cops that interagated Corey Feldman who insisted MJ never did anythign untoward but told them someone else molested him TWICE and they did NOTHING about it ..because it didnt fit their agenda..


Sneddon DID have a supposed co operating victim in jason francia ....
why was he never charged with anything regarding him,,??
at first in the interrogation tapes says over and over again that MJ did not do anything , but finally laments "he will have to try and come up with something":((
that is his 1108 witness .
One who was brought to him courtesy of larry feldman building his molestation case and needing a back up victim.
that is in the transcripts also.
mj was out of the country at the time the tickling incident was suppose to have taken place for close to two years..
His mother wanted money and once again Sneddon could not put this whole thing together because of his underlying issues of contempt and dislike for Jackson

Btw Francia was essentially laughed out of court..see transcripts , maureen orth article in VF and mile tiabbi reporting


Jordan gave Dr Gardner , the expert in false child accusations, an interview .on the advice of his lawyer , larry feldman..
And we know that when listening to the tape Jordan sounds as if he is telling a story in order.... cannot answer things unless he is keeping it in order ..
Doesnt like the doctors interrupting his flow , asking questions...
when asked for info out of order , he refers questions to his mom ...
Only thing he says, he is afraid of, is "cross examination"
Feldman never had this doctor give his opinion, he went to Katz, to interpret it for him...who is affiliated with the mcmartin pre school debacle where many innocent people were jailed on false accusations of molestation and were eventually set free when the children grew up and said they were forced and cajoled into making statements by interviewers..Katz was very involved with that garbage..
This is simply a civil atty methodically building a molestation case..should be obvious , even to sneddon but as I said ..he has issues..

They were so caught up in the excitement of the Michael Jackson case they completely lost objectivity...embarrassed themselves terribly with this case..
Anyway ..
We also know, from FBI files , that Jordan "I did my part" Chandler wouldnt show up , the prosecution didnt want to bring Evan in from what I understand(obvious reasons , he was mentally ill) and Ray Chandler would not come in either , all the while promoting his book on t.v. and lamenting how his nephew wouldnt testify..just looking for money.
Of course Mj was in court , he showed up..
They had supposedly taken the cash so that Jordan wouldnt have to be subjected to all this ...and all the while they are soliciting the national enquirer with more stories, just days after the settlement
...how sad for Jordan that his own father would treat him like a pawn in his sick game..

I really hope this will help some understand why MJ was exonerated of all this garbage ..
And why , althougt Evan was ill, he chose to blow his brains out right before the release of the fbi files..
I think the closest Jordan is going to get to giving a public apology for all this, is the remarks he made to tabloid reporter diane dimond who tried to spin it as best she could ..
NOBODY would bother with Evan because of his serious mental health issues .( remember he tried to kill Jordan)
NOBODY showed up for his funeral either.
What strikes me is how they just want to be done with this guy,,no kind words , at all for the man who supposedly saved his son from a predator and secured generational wealth via insurance settlement??
Not one word of even the fainest praise..nothing because they hate the man ..
so that is why people are fond of mj , they know he was getting railroaded .
you will notice childrens hospitals are hanging his artwork up and he has tributes all over the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if they turned Neverland into a hospice /hospital for sick and dying children as that was always his intention, before Evan destroyed that dream ,that would have helped so many..:((
The only positive that came out of his untimely death is people started to really examine the accusations and realized this was just a few greedy families with the same civil atty , being enabled by a bigoted and ambitious D.A and his girl friday tabloid reporter Diane Dimond..LOL
All you have to do is go on you tube and see how many likes there are for MJ and the not guilty verdicts ..

I notice your contact button just goes off to some site , almost as if you just want to throw crap out there and not have to defend it..oh well
at any rate , hope this helps and i hope you had a nice Thanksgiving..

1027 days ago
223.

sofi    

MiMi and jm50 thank you for backing up my post to which lexi responded.

1027 days ago
224.

nan    

this is from Charles Thompson regarding the tabloid agenda regarding MJ..I will also post the video he is referring too..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-kjELB1sXo

Charles Thomson
This video popped up in the sidebar while I was watching something else. Hadn’t seen it for a long time.

I was here. November 2006. I was in the audience, really close to the stage. Michael Jackson’s last ever performance in front of an audience. He didn’t sing a lot, and when he did sing his microphone was turned down too low – but the atmosphere was electric. As you can see, the place went ballistic. We could barely hear the music over the crowd. At least one girl was wheelchaired out. People were collapsing into tears. His charisma and stage presence were such that all he had to do was this – walk around, take off his jacket, sing a few lines – and people were reduced to quivering wrecks.

The next day, pretty much every newspaper in the country claimed he’d been booed offstage. People looked at me like I was mad when I tried to tell them it wasn’t true. Watch the video for yourselves. I’ve seen everyone from Prince to Madonna to Paul McCartney. I’ve never seen any artist get a reception like Michael Jackson got that night.

Booed offstage, my arse. Search youtube – people were dotted all over that arena with cameras and camphones. In the standing pit and in the rafters, at the back and at the front, on the left and on the right. I’ve never seen a single clip from inside that arena in which there was even one audible boo.

This was probably the first time I witnessed firsthand the media’s propaganda machine in operation. How does an artist come onstage and provoke a reaction like this, and then every newspaper in the country blatantly lies and says he was booed offstage? That simply cannot happen without some degree of collusion.

People balk at the word conspiracy, and ordinarily so do I, but I’m not sure how else to describe what happened that night. All I can tell you is that I was there and he was categorically not booed offstage. Dozens of people were filming from the audience, and none of them captured any booing. It was aired on TV – no booing. Yet all the newspapers claimed the next day that he’d been booed offstage. As I said: That simply cannot happen without some degree of collusion.
end of Charles statement
_______________________

Rupert Murdoch was behind that , just like his actions with others including Hugh Grant..
He has also infected American media and believes he is perfectly just in reporting so called news the way he sees fit and will enhance his agenda..
It is junk food for the masses.
as far as this copy/paste stuff regarding allegations...
I am beginning to feel a little sympathy for this person because they realize they are losing ground with that crap, throw it out there and run away..LOL..
no conversation..
Just throwing rocks and taking off.
I suspect their favorite past time as a child was ringing doorbells and running away too,LOL

If you had any real info that fanned out ..it would have been shown in a court of law at the time of trial.
allegations mean nothing ...
As I said before , it was a tabloid whisper campaign.
Everything you refer to had been reported to the fbi,by Sneddon or tabloids , etc and shot down, time and time again..
the fbi did the labwork/computer work for the D.A. but refused to get involved in the trial.instead told Tom Sneddon he was overstepping and was very close to violating MJ civil rights.
That is a fact ..

Even still,I fully expect someone to say just last week they witnessed Mj doing something inappropriate..LOL
even though he is dead lol

Well there is always someone who will believe it I am sure but the bitter pill is..
MJ is loved all over the world .
Not just for his music ..
For the caring and generous man he was..
He is being scorned by a few , but honored by millions.
Even Jane Velez Mitchell admitted that the awful taping of MJ , unfiltered ...!! saying he wanted to take the profits of his tour and build a childrens hospital !!..showed what a good human being he was.
She was stunned into a moment of honesty on her show,,it is on youtube ...look it up.
Stacey Brown then tweeted her to basically shut up because she was blowing how they make their living..

Here comes MJ sold out circ de solel show or what ever it is ..
Everything affiliated with his name becomes a huge success and coveted..all the more valued..
He caught crap because Bashir made a big deal that he held the hand of a child he had helped during his battle with cancer..
So now we have the Akon/MJ hit song.."Hold my Hand"
How many people , children or adults , would be thrilled to hold Michaels hand? MILLIONS.LOL
and I would bet money Gavin Arviso is still one of them .

I almost feel sorry for Gavin because he and his sibling were used not only by his mom , but the prosecutors and the media as well.
Probably the only person in that courtroom who ever made an effort to help that child was, without some ulterior motive or agenda,indeed was Michael Jackson..
Zonen has a bear hug on the kid and his brother now, not because he likes them , but because he is covering his own butt.
That kid admits to the truth and Zonens reputation is completely in the toilet.As of now he can still go around pretending they believed the kid.
Pretending it was about protecting a vulnerable child..
B.S.


BTW, why only care about the boys who accused MJ, why not the sister as well?..
Because she didnt testify about molestation..
She doesnt matter to Zonens reputation..pitiful , isnt it??
That whole trial was about the prosecutors seeking fame and acclaim..hubris
The mothers biggest heist..
Media making money and Larry Feldman lining his pockets again with a family he knew darn well was full of it..
again..

What a greedy S.O.B. lol
He has been exposed now too,,

Btw..I am getting the impression Gavin misses being around famous people and celebrities , just stuck with an aging Jewish retired prosecutor as a buddy cant possible be as exciting as MJ , and Chris Tucker , those basketball stars etc..

The other day I noticed he was trying to endear himself to Mr. Caine who is running for president.
His usual M.O.....funny , but sad at the same time..
.I guess it is poor pickings if you are stuck at Emory , instead of running with the celebrity set due to your cancer recovery,..LOL

1027 days ago
225.

mac the knife    

hmmm.. Jordan Chandler is doomed,too.. how diane Dimond kept on-- oh he's so smart, flies his own plane, does the stock market-- etc.. WELL.. THAT'S BLOOD MONEY! He should have spoken up for Mj when it mattered.. he's a bloody coward,too!and the real desl about his mother in A.Jones book.. oh dear.. she's the one who seduced MJ to get him close to her family.. giving him the keys to their house,etc.. moaning about being 'broke'etc.. carrying on like she's madame Michael jackson at Neverland.. oh yeah..

AS FOR 'baldie' NAREG.. I just love this.. IN HIS FILING.. HE STATED.. OH GIVE MURRAY PROBATION BEC.. IF HE'S IN PRISON.. HE'LL HAVE TO BE IN SOLITARY & IT COST MONEY-- BEC HE;S HAVING DEATH THREATS???!!!!


WEL.. DIDN'T WE HEAR.. READ. FEW DAYS AGO-- MURRAY WAS/IS THREATENING SUICIDE????

SO WHY SHOULD HE BE SCARED OF DEATH THREATS????!!!

IF HE WANTS TO DIE ANYWAY?? HE SHOULD BE 'RELIEVED'.. SOMEONE ELSE.. WILL DO IT FOR HIM-- SAVES HIM.. THE BOTHER?!...

LOLOLOL.. I tell a.. Murray & his defense.. talking from both sides of their mouths! not knowing which is'which'!

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