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Murray's Visit to Osteen Church Not for PR

5/10/2010 2:29 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Joel Osteen's right-hand man tells TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray was indeed invited to come to Osteen's church yesterday "to pray and worship," and met with Osteen privately before the service.

Dr. Conrad Murray
TMZ first reported Osteen invited Murray to the service.  Someone from Osteen's media relations department told us it was a PR stunt, but the guy who runs the PR department says that's not true.

Donald Iloff, Jr., the Chief of Strategic Operations for Osteen (and Osteen's brother-in-law), tells TMZ, "Dr. Murray did call the church to speak with Osteen a while back but Osteen was not available.  Osteen's rep then invited Dr. Murray to yesterday's service."  So, Dr. Murray truly was invited.
 
Iloff says Murray met privately with Joel and Victoria before the service.  We do not know what they talked about.

After the meeting, Iloff says Dr. Murray attended the service.  "He was really engaged in the worship service," Iloff says.


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76.

Lee lee    

Media whore Murray. Just like the rest of them. Klein and his buddy Jason. Jermaine...and the rest of the leeches.
Every time it gets closer to a court date, Murray needs to make a publicity stunt every time a court date looms closer. Remember the Forest Lawn visit???
Sure, Murrays entitled to visit a church and Pray....God knows he needs to, But his timing always seems a little dodgy. He always seems to do everything like this on a huge media scale.....Like "look at Me, I'm a good person, I go to church".
I will say again, I don't believe Murray went to Michaels home that day to Kill him, however his action, his lack of Duty of care to his Patient , Neglect, resulted in the death of his patient. His actions after the fact, were shocking to say the least.
If the man would show so some remorse ( and I'm not talking, regret..or showing up at Forest Lawn) maybe I would feel a little differently.
All of his actions, seem to show to me that the only person feels sorry for is himself. Regret..he should have plenty!!



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77.

Siggisis    

HERE´s why Murray chose this pastor. ;-)



From Wikipedia:



His (Joel Osteen's) sermons and writings are sometimes reproached for their use of the concepts of prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that wealth and power are rewards for pious Christians.

1576 days ago
78.

allforlove    

janalal4,
I get your point...he should go and apologize and plead guilty. Maybe it is the cowardly way out to go and ask for forgiveness and think all would be ok especially when MJ has sooo much peoples who loved him. I don't know. Maybe, now Murray will do those things and make it right. But I know that he can throw himself in front of a court all he wants to and he will not be forgiven the way God will forgive him. The Power is from above.

1576 days ago
79.

Googie    

Blah blah blah blah. However you look at it, Osteen is a motivational speaker who preaches the power of love, a positive attitude, prosperity theology & prosperity gospel instead of quoting any verses from the Bible. He supposedly is Christian, but no where does he display a cross. Appears he very seldom mentions the name of God in his sermons, just enough to be considered a religion. His wife comes in handy since she studied psychology. Why doesn't he just come out & call himself a motivational speaker. Oh I forgot, he'll have to pay taxes. Okay Osteen, gotcha - keep calling it a religion ;>]

1576 days ago
80.

His Prince Michael    

Googie: Again, I've only seen Mr. Osteen preaching a few times
on television. I recall, he opened his service
acknowledging the Holy Bible, and I think he quoted
several verses (Note: BEWARE of those who quote verses
NON-STOP, like statistics). True, from a strictly
"Theological" standpoint, I do not completely agree with
him, still, I will not deny his sincerity in what, HE
preaches. If that brings lost souls, to seek THEIR OWN
relationship with The Father, The Son,
and The Holy Spirit, well then, May God Bless Joel and
you too, Googie!

1576 days ago
81.

janalal4    

76. Good evening to all the nice people here!




Janalal, you're from the medical field and therefore the expert for all questions like the following kind ;):
So, do you know what drug-test such a physical for the insurance would hold? Would it besides street drugs like cocaine (from which we know that Michael never touched them) also include meds like sedatives and anti-anxieties, and how long can you actually detect them in the system of a person? I know from street drugs that they can be detected for quite a long time e.g. in the hair, but haven't any clue concerning the mentioned meds.
I'd really like to know whether AEG knew what they dealt with Michael's engagement, and whether they knowlingly accepted his drug-problems and possibly even helped to hide them from the insurance



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Posted at 1:19 PM on May 10, 2010 by moni



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LOL! That question has a certain amusement for me, not because I'm from the medical field but because I, myself, had to submit to them personally for a very long time as part of my recovery. You could say, (sigh), I know them WELL-hehe. Most drug panels(the basic ones) are from urine & not usually hair unless this is 'specified'. I'd say MJ's test was most likely only a urine test as with any 'celebrity', they're NOT going to dig too deep if you know what I mean. They're usually urine & include tests for amphetamines, opiates, benzodiazepines(this would cover drugs-both prescription & 'street' such as speed(ephedrine in a certain amount would cause a 'false positive' type result for amphetamines-just an interesting little tidbit that might apply here), diet-type drugs such as phentermine;opiate based meds such as cocaine,heroin, morphine, demerol, prescription-type pain pills such as oxycontin, percocet; barbiturates-xanax, valium). Drug panels are good general tests which usually detect primarily what are considered 'drugs of abuse'. Oh yeah almost forgot-good old Cannabis-Marijuana:) Most of these drugs pass from the system in 72hrs although the barbiturates can sometimes be detected for 40+ days as they have a particularly high 'binding rate' to body tissues causing a slowed excretion rate via the kidneys. Marijuana as most people know(haha) can be detected for approx 30 days.



Your other questions aren't necessarily 'easy' ones to answer. MJ was known for his 'home detox'. There is evidence of this in a do***ent found at his home during the Neverland Ranch raid sent to him by a physician who was attempting to assist him with Demerol withdrawal using a drug called Buprenex(this was posted long ago on TMZ-an actual photograph of this do***ent can be found here on TMZ's archives-it is DEFINITELY INTERESTING!). I believe when Chopra describes MJ as a 'controlled addict' that is probably as close to the truth as you could have labeled his drug use. When MJ WANTED TO BE CLEAN OR NEEDED TO BE CLEAN-he knew how to go about it. Therefore, could he 'clean up' before taking a drug test? If he knew when he would be expected to take the test then the answer is YES! The purpose of taking a drug test is for it to be 'random' if you want to detect abuse. I doubt that MJ's test was 'random' at all but that he knew EXACTLY when he'd be taking that test! Therefore, the test would basically be USELESS which is really sad because it totally would defeat any possibility of someone confronting him with evidence of his drug abuse & the necessity for him to get his **** together. Just sad:(



'Knowing' when your going to be drug tested or 'when' your physical was going to be done would have benefitted both MJ AND AEG(since then they could avoid the whole issue of dealing with the fact that the 'star' of their shows had problems) don't ya think?! Sadly, I think that the drug test was simply a way for AEG to 'go thru the motions' for insurance purposes & certainly no valid attempt at making sure MJ was truly 'drug-free' & 'in good health' so to speak. I hope this makes sense to you.



Do I think AEG made a concious effort at duping the physician or were complicit in any 'cover up' of MJ's drug addiction? No. However, there's a difference between 'going thru the motions' when you have a physical & having a legitimate physical that screens for ALL possible illnesses, including drug abuse.



Incidentally, MJ DID have a prescription for Xanax remember. Therefore, the fact that barbiturates showed up on the drug panel would not have raised red flags. The SPECIFIC drug is not tested for, just the CLASS of drug or the basic chemical component of the drug.



Hope this has helped answer your questions. Let me know if you need any further explanation. I don't mind. This stuff is more complicated than it seems on the surface.



Put it this way: If it's not a 'random' drug test then it's WORTHLESS because there are always 'ways' of getting around the system!

1576 days ago
82.

Cathy    

We are all responsible for our own actions. Michael is responsible for his and Murray is responsible for his. I don't believe Michael wanted to die and I don't believe Murray killed him on purpose. I do believe Murray has remorse for what happened - in other words, he probably feels terrible that Michael lost his life. I believe that. But it remains that Murray apparently made some terrible choices that contributed directly to Michael's death. Yes, he's innocent until proven guilty, but the information that's leaked so far, including Murray's own admissions to the police certainly indicate that he had terrible judgment.



If Murray truly wants forgiveness he should ask God and Michael for it privately - in a closed room. He should also ask the Jackson family for it -- again, in a private meeting that is not publicized. He should also stand up in public court and admit his culpability - and accept his punishment. Maybe then Michael's fans (at least the rational portion of them) could see their way to compassion.

1576 days ago
83.

Siggisis    

Do I think AEG made a concious effort at duping the physician or were complicit in any 'cover up' of MJ's drug addiction? No. However, there's a difference between 'going thru the motions' when you have a physical & having a legitimate physical that screens for ALL possible illnesses, including drug abuse.



Posted at 2:14 PM on May 10, 2010 by janalal4



Speaking of AEG in this context: What exactly did AEG think they were paying Murray that very substantial amount of money to do?
Sing lullabyes for Michael every night? Nah.



1576 days ago
84.

Lee lee    

Hi Janala



Thanks for clearing up the drug testing issue for us all. I figured as much though. I certainly didn't think there would have been anything random about it.
A "controlled addict" ,.....hadn't heard that one before.

1576 days ago
85.

janalal4    

81. The unnecessary loss of ANY life, regardless of celebrity
or not, is tragic. Indeed, the sins of the flesh, be it Drug, Alcohol, or Sexual addictions, have led to many, many untimely
and avoidable deaths. We are blessed by The Creator, with Free Will.
Fish? Cats? Elephants? Instinctual, by nature. Yet, we as Humans
"...created slightly below Angels..." have choices. Do I eat
an orange, or strawberry? Do I watch Boxing or Wrestling? Do I
follow my Wondrous Creator, or the ways of a wicked world?
Do I live for all my blessings, or surrender to temporal physical
lusts and craving, even though I KNOW, it's bad and/or unnatural?
Perhaps, we must ALWAYS recall, The Gift, of Free Will, and remember, Life, is the only REAL choice.




Posted at 1:36 PM on May 10, 2010 by His Prince Michael



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Grrrr!! THAT is what I hate about this f'king disease of addiction! IT ROBS YOU OF YOUR ABILITY TO 'CHOOSE'. I've dealt with it for 18 yrs now & I swear there are still times when it comes back & whispers in my ear & tries to tell me that I can drink or use 'recreationally' like other people. It lies to you & distorts your thinking & it is a constant lifelong struggle. Nobody chooses the HELL of addiction, it chooses YOU. I've watched friends fight for their lives & LOSE & I hate it; watching what it does to the lives of people you care about. It's heartbreaking & probably is a big part of why MJ holds a special place in my heart.

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86.

Lee lee    


Speaking of AEG in this context: What exactly did AEG think they were paying Murray that very substantial amount of money to do?
Sing lullabyes for Michael every night? Nah.




Posted at 2:24 PM on May 10, 2010 by Siggisis



Good Point Siggisis.



Totally overlooked that one. Surely they must have wondered about that.......or was it ..see no evil. hear no evil...

1576 days ago
87.

janalal4    

93. Hi Janala




Thanks for clearing up the drug testing issue for us all. I figured as much though. I certainly didn't think there would have been anything random about it.
A "controlled addict" ,.....hadn't heard that one before.




Posted at 2:26 PM on May 10, 2010 by Lee lee



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LOL! That's because there's really no such thing. You either are or your not an addict. I understand though what Chopra was trying to say. I think the only thing that 'controlled' MJ's drug abuse were his love for his children. When he got too close to the edge, he was able to reign himself in to a certain extent. Addiction is a powerful force but then again so is 'LOVE':) Sadly though, if you don't practice abstinence & are a true addict? Eventually your going to lose. Lose your job, lose your family, your freedom(jail) or 'the big one'-your life.

1576 days ago
88.

Lee lee    

Grrrr!! THAT is what I hate about this f'king disease of addiction! IT ROBS YOU OF YOUR ABILITY TO 'CHOOSE'. I've dealt with it for 18 yrs now & I swear there are still times when it comes back & whispers in my ear & tries to tell me that I can drink or use 'recreationally' like other people. It lies to you & distorts your thinking & it is a constant lifelong struggle. Nobody chooses the HELL of addiction, it chooses YOU. I've watched friends fight for their lives & LOSE & I hate it; watching what it does to the lives of people you care about. It's heartbreaking & probably is a big part of why MJ holds a special place in my heart.



Posted at 2:29 PM on May 10, 2010 by janalal4



WOW janala
I applaud you honesty...I really do. I think that is why alot of us feel the same way. He was human like the rest of us. We all screw up sometime. No body is perfect. We all have demons,things we regret, but unlike Michaels, they are not public fodder. The fact that a man , who at seemed to have it all ...could end up this way, just proves that addiction of any sort, does not discriminate.

1576 days ago
89.

cindee    

JANALAl4 YOU ARE "RIGHT - ON" WITH YOUR COMMENTS GIRL



1576 days ago
90.

moni    

Janalal,
thank you so much for your detailed answer, this was highly interesting! And it confirmed what I've already expected, namely that Michael could have easily cleaned up before the test (what definitely would have been in AEG's interest). As well very plausible your point concerning Xanax.
BTW sorry, janalal, I didn't want to touch your history in an impolite way, had completely forgotten about that. But should you ever sit at Larry King or Oprah as an expert for medical affairs re Michael Jackson – I see that coming!!! – please don't forget to wave to us, we've bee your first attentively "listening" audience, lol!

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