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Daniel's Death Officially Ruled Accidental

3/31/2008 1:47 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

A jury in the Bahamas investigating the death of Anna Nicole Smith's son Daniel has ruled it was caused by an accidental drug overdose, recommending no criminal charges be filed.


This verdict is huge because of what the jury didn't say -- that Howard K was responsible for the death.

The jury unanimously concluded Daniel died from "non-dependent drug use" -- meaning he wasn't addicted to what killed him.

Story developing ...

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76.

testing    


You want to talk about the facts of the inquest? Lets talk about Dr. William Hearn. Dr. William Lee Hearn, Laboratory Director for Miami Dade Medical Office testified at the Inquest into the death of Daniel Wayne Smith that given the amount of methadone that was consumed that it could not have been an attempt to simply “get high” but instead had to have been an intentional Ingestion of a lethal amount of methadone. That Daniel had to have ingested at least 6 10ml tablets of methadone, all at once within hours of his death. In light of this testimony do you still believe that Daniel’s death was an accident? Where do you think he obtained this methadone? If he was a methadone user he would know enough not to take as much as he did to get high? Did he steal it from his Mom and if so, he went straight to the hospital so what was his mother doing with methadone in a Bahamian hospital where it was illegal to have it? Who brought it there? Why? So lets talk inquest if you want to, I would be glad to discuss it with you.


Posted at 7:41AM on May 14th 2008 by Lets talk swimmys

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GRACE: Out to you, Jean Casarez, Court TV news correspondent on the case from the very beginning, Jean, we`ve got a whole other can of worms in the Bahamas. You did your own investigations there. Can prescriptions be shipped into the Bahamas? What did you learn?

JEAN CASAREZ, COURT TV: Well, that is a very good question. There are a lot of the laws in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas, that you have to follow their laws in order to bring those prescriptions in, fill out the right papers. We don`t know if that`s been done.

But, you know, I went to pharmacies when I was there, and I would ask pharmacies if they would have methadone, and they would say they didn`t have it in stock, that they had actually never prescribed it, but it wasn`t illegal.

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Random Thots    


Made me cry .

poor , dear, beautiful Anna . Let the healing begin .


Posted at 12:03PM on May 14th 2008 by The Grassy Knoll


Dry your tears...her poor, dear, beautiful Dannielynn...quite posibly will share the same fate...think of the living and the control ALREADY being taken by the "men" in her life...

2251 days ago
78.

testing    

GRACE: Out to you, Jean Casarez, Court TV news correspondent on the case from the very beginning, Jean, we`ve got a whole other can of worms in the Bahamas. You did your own investigations there. Can prescriptions be shipped into the Bahamas? What did you learn?

JEAN CASAREZ, COURT TV: Well, that is a very good question. There are a lot of the laws in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas, that you have to follow their laws in order to bring those prescriptions in, fill out the right papers. We don`t know if that`s been done.

But, you know, I went to pharmacies when I was there, and I would ask pharmacies if they would have methadone, and they would say they didn`t have it in stock, that they had actually never prescribed it, but it wasn`t illegal.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/05/ng.01.html

2251 days ago
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testing    

You want to talk about the facts of the inquest? Lets talk about Dr. William Hearn. Dr. William Lee Hearn, Laboratory Director for Miami Dade Medical Office testified at the Inquest into the death of Daniel Wayne Smith that given the amount of methadone that was consumed that it could not have been an attempt to simply “get high” but instead had to have been an intentional Ingestion of a lethal amount of methadone. That Daniel had to have ingested at least 6 10ml tablets of methadone, all at once within hours of his death. In light of this testimony do you still believe that Daniel’s death was an accident? Where do you think he obtained this methadone? If he was a methadone user he would know enough not to take as much as he did to get high? Did he steal it from his Mom and if so, he went straight to the hospital so what was his mother doing with methadone in a Bahamian hospital where it was illegal to have it? Who brought it there? Why? So lets talk inquest if you want to, I would be glad to discuss it with you.


Posted at 7:41AM on May 14th 2008 by Lets talk swimmys

It was also revealed in court that the con centration of methadone in Smith's system was enough to prove lethal. Judge William Campbell pointed out that the amount of the pain killer present in Smith's body could have occurred due to an acc umulation of the drug. This could have been facilitated based on the time it usually took for the drug to pass out of a person's body. Campbell quoted such a time frame as being anywhere from eight to 56 hours.

By INDERIA SAUNDERS Guardian Staff Reporter
12/12/07

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http://www.salisburypost.com/area/355413592536552.php

In Rowan County, medical examiners found methadone in the blood of nearly half the people who died of unintentional overdoses from 2003to 2005, the most recent year for which county numbers are available. Prescribed and taken correctly, methadone can provide long-term relief for chronic pain sufferers, experts say. And it does, overtime, give recovering addicts a mood-altering benefit that helps themfunction.

But methadone can build up to toxic levels fast if a person takes too much, especially someone who hasn't taken it before. Patients acc ustomed to faster-acting medications might take extra methadone pills when the first one doesn't quickly provide relief. Methadone stays in the body a long time..................UP TO 59 HOURS.

But when taken to treat chronic pain, its effects only last four to eight hours. And it doesn't produce the euphoric rush that drug abusers seek. "Patients or people using the drug often can't tell they've taken too much," said Kay Sanford, a state epidemiologist who has tracked methadone deaths. "They don't get any warning signs." So in either case, looking for pain relief or a high, a person might take the drug, then take more soon after, or take too much to start with. After that, it doesn't take long to DIE.



2251 days ago
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Let sleeping bodies rest in peace...........    


I thought Ben Thompson and/or Ford Shelley were at the hospital when Daniel was there. Ben Thompson has prior history of drug running. Maybe Daniel got the drugs from him at the hospital.

2251 days ago
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Random Thots    


But when taken to treat chronic pain, its effects only last four to eight hours. And it doesn't produce the euphoric rush that drug abusers seek. "Patients or people using the drug often can't tell they've taken too much," said Kay Sanford, a state epidemiologist who has tracked methadone deaths. "They don't get any warning signs." So in either case, looking for pain relief or a high, a person might take the drug, then take more soon after, or take too much to start with. After that, it doesn't take long to DIE.


Posted at 12:36PM on May 14th 2008 by antinoids look, listen and learn


OK, I read..it's really HARD to "hear" you...AND I AM trying to learn. We KNOW Daniel "took" Methadone...WHERE did it come from .... WHERE did those pills come from....where is the script that associates Daniel with Methadone...where is the investigation into the DRUGS that killed Daniel? Why is Stern not outraged...He "said" he was surprised that Daniel died from a drug overdose...thought maybe he was "poisoned"...only Larry, the baby Daddy, that was also estranged, KNEW about the VIDEO, of Daniel STEALING Methadone from his Mother...There is NO evidence at all to support a drug user/abuser Daniel..that really P*SSES me off. Virgie, the ONE and ONLY remaining for Anna and Daniel, is bashed, trashed and humilited...JUST because she DARED ask the diffiecult questions. Danny didn't kill himself, we never heard from Anna, as promised....they only one "left" that was in that hospital room is....Howard K Stern! Just him and the Methadone...Let's ask Swims...again....about the Methadone and HIS "sources"....Oh, Swims.....I have a question for you and your "sources"....

2251 days ago
82.

tiny    

I know that many do not like it when people bring things over here from topix, but since I do not post there I have decided to post my thoughts and opinions here.

They are once again talking about Virgie, posting personal information under the guise of it being “public information”. I am sick of their holier than though attitudes. I was taught to NEVER judge anyone by the house they live in or the clothes they wear. I was taught that where a person lived and what clothes they had on their backs did not matter as long as they were clean. That also goes to their personal appearance, be it being overweight, skinny, ugly or for that matter beautiful. I have taught my children the same. I have both run down “trailer parks” and “very nice” trailer parks in the town I live. I have taught my kids the same as I have been taught. And that is those in trailer parks are living where they can “afford” to live, and they are doing the best that they can, it is their home and it does not make you any better because you are fortunate to be able to live in a “house” or I am able to afford to buy you clothes from upscale stores, what is most important is how you treat people. Treat people the way you would want to be treated. Instead of passing judgment be thankful for what you have. I shudder at the thought of what these people have taught and passed on to their children. Do not judge, least you be judged! I do not know if Virgie lives in a “house” or a “trailer”, whatever the shell may be, it is her HOME, and will not argue the point because as far as I’m concerned it does not matter and has no bearing on why or how her daughter and grandson died. To me when people make these ridiculous comments they are basically trying to say that because of where Virgie lives it is ok that she lost 2 members of her family and it is ok that she is being deprived of seeing, bonding, and loving DL. Is that their position of all those who may possibly live in a home where it does not “meet” their standard of living!

I have also read where people “pray” for Howard and that is fine, they can pray for whoever they choose, but what I have a problem with is that if some of these people truly believe in a God and what HE stands for, why do they lack such compassion, why do they feel it is okay to do and say the things they have done to Virgie, and others. IMO, that is not what my God would want me to be doing. Do I believe that Virgie and Vickie Lynn’s relationship was without problems, no, what mother/father and daughter, or mother/father and son, for that matter, is not at one time or another, rocky. I know at times my relationships were, does that mean I love them any less, NO, does that mean that I would grieve any less if God forbid something happened to them, NO. Does that mean that I would not get to the bottom of why, how, and who was responsible for their death, NO. Does that negate my right to protect myself and the rest of my family from harm from others, NO.

If some of you want to continue to support Stern, that is your right, just as it is my right to have an opinion that he, as well as others, have culpability in the death of Vickie Lynn and Daniel. But I am putting out a serious challenge to each and every one of you. I challenge all of you who have or had made it your mission to find out everything you could find out about Virgie to try and make her look like some monster and just stop for five minutes and imagine yourself in Virgie’s shoes. Imagine if you lost not only your grandchild but also your daughter or son within a 5 month span, all due to circ*mstance which you believe are suspicious. Imagine if people were going around saying that the only reason you cared is because their was “money” involved. Imagine people saying that if there was “no money” you wouldn’t care. Imagine people trying to help someone who was keeping you from a surviving grandchild who was the only link you had left to those you had lost. Imagine total STRANGERS saying that you DID NOT LOVE your child or grandchild and that you were a BAD MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER. I challenge you to look around you and where you live, if you are lucky enough to “afford” a luxury home and/or car, great, do you look down on those you personally know who are less fortunate. If you live in a modest or perhaps less than modest home, do you feel inferior to those who may be able to “afford” what you cannot and should something tragic happen in your family that you would not have the right to seek answers to your questions. Just take 5 minutes out of your “researching” time and stop to think how it would feel. I know that is not going to change your minds about how you feel about Howard and his “innocence” but maybe you can start “re

2251 days ago
83.

Gtobrat    

Tiny

Tiny truer words were never spoken. You did a great job of saying what so many of us feel. The purpose for the posting of personal information about Virgie, is not the reasoning of rational people. Of course if we were to retaliate, and post the same public information about Rose, or Lyndal or Butterbutt, all h-ll would break lose. This is a case were what is good for the goose is forbidden by the gander.

I agree with you that were someone lives does not define who they are. People are quick to judge the outside of a person and not the soul of the person. I believe that Virgie's soul is one that trusts in God to get her through, even more since it appears that justice, the same justice she served for 30 appears to, for the time being ,eluded her. I believe that if Larry were to knock on her door, she would put the past behind her and welcome him to her family with open arms. For she lives Gods light in her heart.

I have never heard Virgie say she wanted money, if she did she could have contested the probating of Anna's joke of a will. In fact just the opposite is true. I have heard her say many many times that the money is tainted. Tainted by the deaths that have been attached to it, No Virgie's is not after money, she is after answers to the unanswered questions that hang over most of us like a mist that hovers around the headstones of a cemetery.

I am proud of you Tiny for offering a challenge for the supporters of Howie to bring researched facts about him to the table and not rely solely on the word of their hero. I don't see that happening, but it was a great thought. Some prefer to just travel blindly into the night.

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What else can a Mother and Grandmother possibly say?

VAN SUSTEREN: Any advice for Howard K. Stern?

ARTHUR: Howard K. Stern. I'm not quitting, Howard. I'm still coming. I will never quit. You know, I heard that you said that I would get disinterested and I would just quit? Watch out, because I'm not quitting.

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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tonight, Anna Nicole Smith's mother, just back from the Bahamas in her knockdown drag-out fight Howard and Larry, Virgie Arthur goes "On the Record."

VAN SUSTEREN: So take me back to the phone call that when you found out that Vickie had died.

VIRGIE ARTHUR, ANNA NICOLE SMITH'S MOTHER: Well, actually, I saw it on TV. You know, my grandson died first. And we went through that. And then my daughter, I was watching the news and it came on TV. And my husband had been called and they told him and he rushed home and as it was coming on, he was coming through the front door because he had already heard it.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you just coincidentally watching the television and it flashes across?


ARTHUR: Yes. Yes, it did. Devastating. I knew it was coming.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you know it was coming?

ARTHUR: Well, you know, my grandson was taken and then you know, I told people — I tried to tell people — you know, please be careful. Vickie, please watch out, baby, what you are doing. Watch the people around you. Just be careful.

VAN SUSTEREN: She lived a pretty wild life those last couple of years.

ARTHUR: Yes, in fact the last 10 — I would say the last 10 years of her life was really rough on her.

VAN SUSTEREN: Drugs?

ARTHUR: Drugs.

VAN SUSTEREN: When is the first time you knew that she was doing drugs or figured it out?

ARTHUR: Well, you know, she would — you know, every once in a while you could tell that she was doing something. But when Howard came in the picture and was a permanent part of her life, that's when you really, really could see that, and not just me but, you know, the media, at the music awards. People — you know, people saw it. It was out there for people to see.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have a falling out with her? I mean, I know that there has been — there has been lots said about your relationship with her. Did you guys have a falling out?

ARTHUR: Drugs.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just — not just, I mean, it was over the drugs?

ARTHUR: Over the drugs, mm-hmm.

VAN SUSTEREN: And how did it show itself? I mean, does she call up that she was on drugs? Did you give her hell or I mean — or how...

ARTHUR: No. She called up — this is how I would always know she was messed up. She would call and she would say, "Momma, this is Vickie." That meant she was OK. But if she called and she would say, "Momma, this is Anna," then you knew she was messed up because she never ever called herself Anna to me when it was us. She never did.

VAN SUSTEREN: When is the first time about — and I know you don't do dates...

ARTHUR: Here we go with time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Here we go with dates. When was the first time you ever heard the name Howard K. Stern?

ARTHUR: Right after Howard Marshall died and she was fighting in the court battle. You know, trying to — I don't know, claim his money or claim what he told her — but he told her he would always take care of her. So that was the first time was that Howard Stern was one of the lawyers in that court proceeding.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have any particular infatuation with him? Or was it simply your recollection it was just a passing business relationship?

ARTHUR: Passing business relationship at first.

VAN SUSTEREN: And during the course of the time she was in California here, did you ever learn that the relationship changed if it ever did? Did she ever mention that, you know, I'm interested in Howard K. Stern more than as my lawyer?

ARTHUR: Oh, no. No. She was never — I don't believe she was ever interested in him as a quote, unquote, "lover." No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she ever call home and talk about him in any way, even, whether it was in good terms or derogatory terms?

ARTHUR: Derogatory. Do I have to say them?

(LAUGHTER)

VAN SUSTEREN: Give me the context.

ARTHUR: Flunky. Baggage boy.

VAN SUSTEREN: She would say that to you?

ARTHUR: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And this was before the year 2000 do you think or is this after 2000?

ARTHUR: It was after Howard died. When he became one of her attorneys, he wasn't the main attorney on the case, but one of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever hear the name Larry Birkhead when she was living in California, before she was pregnant?

ARTHUR: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Never heard his name?

ARTHUR: Never he

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testing    

OK, I read..it's really HARD to "hear" you...AND I AM trying to learn. We KNOW Daniel "took" Methadone...WHERE did it come from .... WHERE did those pills come from....where is the script that associates Daniel with Methadone...where is the investigation into the DRUGS that killed Daniel? Why is Stern not outraged...He "said" he was surprised that Daniel died from a drug overdose...thought maybe he was "poisoned"...only Larry, the baby Daddy, that was also estranged, KNEW about the VIDEO, of Daniel STEALING Methadone from his Mother...There is NO evidence at all to support a drug user/abuser Daniel..that really P*SSES me off. Virgie, the ONE and ONLY remaining for Anna and Daniel, is bashed, trashed and humilited...JUST because she DARED ask the diffiecult questions. Danny didn't kill himself, we never heard from Anna, as promised....they only one "left" that was in that hospital room is....Howard K Stern! Just him and the Methadone...Let's ask Swims...again....about the Methadone and HIS "sources"....Oh, Swims.....I have a question for you and your "sources"....

Posted at 2:33PM on May 14th 2008 by Bea


What makes you think that Howard is not outraged at Daniel's death? Sort your ego out!

My friend was actually sound asleep in bed beside her husband who apparently died of a heart attack in the night. She was totally unaware he was dead.

What makes you assume that anybody wakes up because a person is dying. Daniel was in bed with Anna when he died. Did she wake up! NO! But apparently that is also Howard's fault.

Your irrational outbursts amount to BS due to your inability to accept the facts. Anna made her statement to the police and even Virgie knows, as she heard Anna's statement read at the inquest, that if there was any doubt in Anna's mind that Howard was involved, there is not a drug in the world that would have stopped her from revealing so!

You got a problem with the outcome of any inquest take directly to the experts as they are the only one's holding all witness statements, facts and evidence. Sensationlizing, your BS and bullying those who disagree with your megalomaniac personality is laughable and shows your inability to grasp the facts and accept the virdicts.

Either way, you got a problem with the results of a court case, then redirect it to the correct quarters, in this case the police and courts in the Bahamas and the US. They just love nutters like you. Jerry Brown is inundated with nutters like you also.

2250 days ago
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testing    

Posted at 2:58PM on May 14th 2008 by Thot .....

And you hypocrites have been proved wrong time and again. She is no lady and your false emotive comments match VA.

2250 days ago
87.

testing    

OK, I read..it's really HARD to "hear" you...AND I AM trying to learn. We KNOW Daniel "took" Methadone...WHERE did it come from .... WHERE did those pills come from....where is the script that associates Daniel with Methadone...where is the investigation into the DRUGS that killed Daniel? Why is Stern not outraged...He "said" he was surprised that Daniel died from a drug overdose...thought maybe he was "poisoned"...only Larry, the baby Daddy, that was also estranged, KNEW about the VIDEO, of Daniel STEALING Methadone from his Mother...There is NO evidence at all to support a drug user/abuser Daniel..that really P*SSES me off. Virgie, the ONE and ONLY remaining for Anna and Daniel, is bashed, trashed and humilited...JUST because she DARED ask the diffiecult questions. Danny didn't kill himself, we never heard from Anna, as promised....they only one "left" that was in that hospital room is....Howard K Stern! Just him and the Methadone...Let's ask Swims...again....about the Methadone and HIS "sources"....Oh, Swims.....I have a question for you and your "sources"....

Posted at 2:33PM on May 14th 2008 by Bea

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WRONG, Virgie did not ask difficult questions, she publically through the media made accusations without asking ANY questions, there are several videos to prove this. She assumed the role of judge and jury without any evidence or facts
and defamed Anna and Howard, HENCE the mommie dearest video ensued. Virgie is being crucified in the press because she mislead them and they are now angry with her! They no longer trust her and she defamed herself with her false accusations.

OQ AGREEING with VA says murder on TV and they wonder why they are being sued. VA is a fool and should learn to keep her mouth closed and tell the truth. Strange how after the facts of the evidence at the inquest she is not accusing Howard of murder, could it be that the facts and evidence prove otherwise!!!! This lady is a loose cannon and so is OQ's team. They are the laughing stock of the legal profession.

Gloat all you want, but VA has been cruel to Howard and may she stand in the judgement of God for her actions. Anna knew her mother far better than you cyberspace bloggers with your false emotive posts. That doesn't mean to say they didn't love each other, but Anna recognised Virgie's failings and nobody can deny that she would know her more than any blogger. I believe Anna's anger towards her mother was justified and Virgie needs to curb her loose tongue. Nearly every court case to date by Howard or Larry has been started because of Virgie one way or another.

2250 days ago
88.

Maxine    

A friendly hollar to my buddies. This site looks like it is dead. I sure will miss some of you ! Hope to see you guys somewhere someplace. In the mean time have a cookie on me.

2250 days ago
89.

Maxine    

AT 6:00 P.M. I WILL BE SERVING PIE ON THE COMMODE!

2250 days ago
90.

repost    

Gloat all you want, but VA has been cruel to Howard and may she stand in the judgement of God for her actions. Anna knew her mother far better than you cyberspace bloggers with your false emotive posts. That doesn't mean to say they didn't love each other, but Anna recognised Virgie's failings and nobody can deny that she would know her more than any blogger. I believe Anna's anger towards her mother was justified and Virgie needs to curb her loose tongue. Nearly every court case to date by Howard or Larry has been started because of Virgie one way or another.

Posted at 4:57PM on May 14th 2008 by VA is a trouble maker



Oh and Howie has been nothing but nice to Virgie HUH?????
Get a grip the only thing Howie is hoping that if he pushes Virgie hard enough she will have a heart attack and then be out of the picture altogether. That is what Larry and he both are doing.

That's why they formed the smear campaine and thats why they are withholding Dannielynn from her.

That is the way their sick minds work.

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