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Battle of the Sects

9/21/2008 5:15 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

There's at least one place where sexism is still going strong -- the Baptist church.

The September/October issue of Gospel Today has been pulled from Lifeway Christian Bookstores' shelves across the country by its owner -- the Southern Baptist Convention -- and it has nothing to with any of the seven deadly sins.

The reason the mag was recalled, according to AJC.com, was because the five women featured on the cover are church pastors, a role reserved strictly for men in Southern Baptist polity.

Guess Adam can take his rib back and shove it.

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Lace    

People don't realize that the Southern Baptist Convention is just a more modern version of the Amish/Mennonite church. Most of their rules apply to women. Women aren't allowed to wear jewelry or makeup, pants or flashy things. All of their clothing must be dull and plain. Wives must submit to their husband, no woman is allowed to make family decisions, she must do whatever her husband wants her to do. Southern Baptist men are allowed to beat their women if they do not submit. They can also rape their wives, as saying no is going against the will of your husband.

2223 days ago
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Lace    

People don't realize that the Southern Baptist Convention is just a
more modern version of the Amish/Mennonite church. Most of their
rules apply to women. Women aren't allowed to wear jewelry or
makeup, pants or flashy things. All of their clothing must be dull
and plain. Wives must submit to their husband, no woman is allowed
to make family decisions, she must do whatever her husband wants her
to do. Southern Baptist men are allowed to beat their women if they
do not submit. They can also rape their wives, as saying no is going
against the will of your husband.

2223 days ago
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Shannon    

Wow. Your comments could not be further from the truth. I was raised Lutheran and in a "right to choose" home. I chose a after graduating high school to be re-baptized at Southern Baptist. My Church is a 14,000+ member Church in Central Florida. You can walk in on service any day and see virtually every single woman with makeup on, wearing jewelry, and wearing nice clothing. Nobody in bonnets, with longsleeves, and husbands holding them with collars around their necks. We believe the husband or the male is the leader of the Church as well as the leader of the household. Submission is NOT about a woman losing her voice or being beaten by her husband. The husband is to feed her spiritually and support her financially, while the woman is to support her husband within the home and encourage him in his walk with God. I am by no means a "Bible-Thumping" Christian. I am your normal 23 year old girl who loves her Church and loves to live a normal life as well. Visit a Southern Baptist Church before you make judgements.

2223 days ago
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Disgusting    

Hilarious how weak and stupid and fragile men are.

2223 days ago
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JimmyJoe    

So sad - these churches are just hypocrites. They take Jesus's name and do the opposite of what is right in his name. I have lost respect for these fringe, right wing religions, they have nothing to do with the teachings of Christ, but are all about right wing politics.
So sad - people wake up - these are NOT religions!

2223 days ago
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Felicia    

The publisher of Gospel Today came to our church (1st Church of God in Columbus, Ohio) and we love her. Bishop Clark asked us to get behind her, bless her, we did and will continue to bless her. "No weapon formed against her shall prosper." In the Old Testament women didn't have a voice, but when Jesus came to this earth, we were heard. Know your Bible and read it daily. God Bless You!

2223 days ago
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Moi    

This is ignorance. My grandfather was a Southern Baptist minister. He was proud that my grandmother to work. -- She was a teacher and the principle of a K-12 school throughout their marriage. He encouraged (to put it gently) my mother and my aunts to go to school, university, to have a professions/careers, and *not* to stay at home after marriage.

2223 days ago
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midwest gal    

It's all in the Bible. Men are supposed to pastor. You either believe the Bible or don't.

Baptists can wear makeup, wear jewelry, wear pants, work outside the home.

Try to read and find out the FACTS before posting your ignorant opinion.

2223 days ago
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drumchick    

Midwest gal... "ignorant"?
I was raised Episcopalian and we have a number of women pastors. Why would God make a man more capable of preaching the word of God?
Dress up in your pants and makeup and go do your thing, whatever that is.

2223 days ago
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Kim    

You know, its really sad that to adhere to the word of God is considered sexist . . . the idea that women cannot serve in pastoral positions comes from the Bible, not the Baptist church, of which I am not a member. Further, the position of 'pastor' does not even mean 'preacher.' A pastor, when filled correctly, is the position of an elder, bishop, or presbyter, three terms that are used interchangably. In the New Testament church, there was a plurality of elders, not just one, and they were not preachers. They were shepherds, whose job was to guide the flock according to the commandments of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Sadly, this position has not only been tainted by the Baptist church in its improper misappointment of pastors as preachers, but by every denomination that allows women to serve in public worship. The Bible elevates women and their roles as wives and homemakers, among other things, and it is this perverse society that has belittled that role into something to be frowned upon. Keep in mind that when God noticed that Adam was lonely, He gave him a woman, not another man, not a golf club or a motorcycle, and not a desk job. So, in short, by maintaining that the position that women should not serve in the church to God is not sexist . . . its Biblical. Just ask Paris Hilton, I think that is her favorite Bible verse that she couldn't recall.

2223 days ago
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midwest gal    

My comments were meant for "Lace". She is the one that said we are like Amish/Mennonite and don't wear makeup, wear jewelry, pants. Oh yes and our church wants our men to beat us!

I don't have problems with my fellow Christians brother and sisters that have female pastors. They choose to go those churches. As I choose to go to mine. Freedom of religion is a great thing.

2223 days ago
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schpreacher    

When one begins to study the Bible, it becomes evident that, as a rule, women were not the leaders in religion. For an example, can you read of a woman being one of the twelve apostles? (Matt. 10:2-5). Out of the total fourteen apostles, not a one was a woman. You read of different preachers. There was Apollos (Acts 18), Phillip the evangelist (Acts 21:8), Timothy who was an evangelist (2Tim 4:1-5), etc. Beloved there is not a "Sue the evangelist." In fact, women are expressly forbidden to "preach." Hear the scriptures: "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (I Tim. 2:12). Paul is discussing public worship. In the assembly, men are to pray (Gk. "men only"), that is, lead in prayer (vs.8). Women are to properly clothe themselves in a way not to attract or distract from the service (vs. 9). The role of women is stated in verse fifteen.

God’s place for women does not render her inferior. Women do have a valuable part in spreading the gospel (Acts 18:26).

Those churches who allow women preachers, pastors, do so by the "tradition" of a bishop or priest and don't follow the Bible's example or command. This is a man made tradition and not a God blessed tradition. God says of such:
Matthew 15:8 “‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
9 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

For those who want to discredit the Bible as the sole authority in a Christians life, you can't do so because without the Bible people would know nothing of Jesus Christ, nor how to be saved. The good news contained within is for all people, but you can't take God's Holy Word and reduce his commands to that of human reason.

2222 days ago
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Sabriell    

It's the 21st century. The bible is thousands of years outdated. Women have completely different roles now. It's not tradition anymore, it's just retarded.

2222 days ago
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kake79    

Lace,
As someone that was raised in the Church of the Brethren, and attended a Southern Baptist church for a few years, I'm a little offended that you would compare the Mennonite and Brethren traditions to Southern Baptists. I can only guess that you are not terribly familiar with either. The Mennonites and Brethrens both place a focus on serving humbly as Jesus served; the Baptists - while maybe not originally this way - tend to focus on sin and damnation. There is a stark difference between the lifting up of the Mennonites and Brethrens and the tearing down of many Southern Baptists.

And, I say the following not as a Brethren but a simple Christian. I understand the versus quoted above by many posters regarding women's roles in the church, however, I do not find where Christ himself ever excluded women from leadership. The later church minimized the roles of many women, most notably Mary Magdalene who was not, as is commonly thought, a prostitute. She was very strong and capable and served almost as an equal to the other apostles. That's just my humble belief about women in the church.

2222 days ago
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Go Sarah!    

The role of pastors is clearly laid out in the Bible. You might want to read that before commenting.

2222 days ago

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