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People vs. Dr. Conrad Murray

Anesthesiologist:

My Patients Fear Propofol

10/21/2011 8:00 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Anesthesiologist -- Dr. Steven Shafer Testifies
Updated 10/24/11 at 8:49 AM

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**For today's testimony, click to continue below.**

Leading Propofol expert Dr. Steven Shafer --  the final witness for the prosecution -- told the jury,  Dr. Conrad Murray corrupted his patients ... because now, they're all terrified of Propofol.

He told the jury today -- "I am asked every day I'm in the operating room ... 'Are you going to give me the drug that killed Michael Jackson?'"

In his review of Dr. Murray's conduct, Shafer testified he found 17 "egregious violations" of standard medical care that contributed to the singer's death.

* Last Thursday, Shafer told prosecutors he was hired 20 years ago by the company that produces Propofol to calibrate the correct dosing for the drug.
* Shafer said the exact dosage of Propofol is crucial -- because even a slight discrepancy could be the difference between a patient sleeping for a few minutes, and one sleeping for several hours.
* Jurors then watched a video that showed how Propofol should be used in the OR. The clip showed nurses and doctors successfully reviving a patient -- played by an actor -- suffering from a cardiac arrest. Prosecutors were trying to show the jury Dr. Murray was not equipped to handle an emergency situation when he treated MJ.
* Shafer explained to the jury that Jackson probably died because his tongue blocked the back of his throat ... but could have been saved with a simple chin lift.

* As the video was played, Dr. Shafer gave a blow by blow how Propofol is administered.
* Shafer's key points:
-  Infusion of drugs should be done ONLY through a pump to avoid overdosing.
- "Informed consent" is not just a piece of paper but a process in which the doctor informs the patient of all the risks, benefits and alternatives.
-  A verbal consent is NOT binding.
- Record keeping is paramount
- If the patient stops breathing, the first thing a doctor should do... call for help.
* Shafer told prosecutors even when administering "a little bit" of Propofol, guidelines should be strictly followed because the worst disasters occur during sedation ... when doctors "cut corners."
* Shafer said Murray's treatment of MJ is both an "egregious" and "unconscionable" violation of standard care. 
* He also called the 15.5 liters of Propofol Murray bought -- about four gallons worth -- "an extraordinary amount" for one person.
* Shafer said Murray's lack of basic and essential monitoring devices are an egregious violation of care and contributed to MJ's death.
* The fact that Murray never kept any records is "unbelievable," according to Shafer.
* He said Murray "left the steering wheel" when he went to bathroom to relieve his bladder calling the doc "quite clueless."
* Shafer told prosecutors there is practically no research on Propofol use to treat insomnia ... adding, "We're in a pharmacological Never-Never Land."
* Shafer took a shot at his former colleague and friend, defense expert Dr. Paul White... telling the court he was "disappointed" to learn that  White thought MJ could have died from drinking Propofol. Shafer went over several studies on rats, dogs and even humans that show the drug doesn't work when it's swallowed.
*  Shafer also bulked at the defense's argument that Jackson may have caused his own death by swallowing 8 pills of Lorazepam ... because the toxicology report showed the amount of Lorazepam found in MJ's stomach was "trivial." According to his calculations, Murray would have had to inject MJ with 10 consecutive shots of 4 mg each to reach the the blood levels in the toxicology report.
* Dr. Shafer debunked another theory by the defense, telling jurors there is no way Jackson woke up and then injected himself with a fatal dose of Propofol. He said people don't wake up  "hell-bent" on grabbing the next dose, calling it a "crazy scenario."

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* Shafer said the only theory that fits is this: Murray started MJ on a 1000 mg Propofol drip at around 9 AM ... which caused the singer to stop breathing around noon.
* Had Murray been in the room he would have noticed MJ's breathing slowing down around 11:45 AM and could have saved him by stopping the drip.
* In a dramatic moment, Shafer demonstrated  to the jury how, he believed, Murray set up a Propofol drip ... inserting a Propofol bottle into an empty saline bag.
* Shafer said Murray never used an automated pump, which caused the anesthetic to drip at a dangerous rate. The defense claims Murray only gave MJ a single dose of 25 mg of Propofol with a syringe on the day the singer died.
* Defense attorney Ed Chernoff came out swinging during cross examination, challenging Shafer's testimony from Thursday in which he said there is no way Jackson killed himself with either Propofol or Lorazepam. "That's a bold statement isn't it?" Chernoff  "asked " ... "That's what I think happened," Shafer shot back. "Everything you said is an opinion..." Chernoff said... to which Shafer responded, "To say that one should not lie to UCLA Medical Center is my opinion."
* Chernoff  tried to discredit Shafer's testimony ... saying the IV tubing he used in his demonstration was not found at the scene. Shafer said Murray could have easily shoved it in his pocket before leaving MJ's room.
* Chernoff also pointed out Shafer used the wrong size syringe and IV bag in his demonstrations. Shafer brushed it off, saying he didn't think  "size mattered."
*  Chernoff also asked Shafer about his relationship with Dr. Paul White, the defense's Propofol expert... asking him if it's true that he nominated White for an "Excellence In Research" award. Shafer said he did.
* During his cross examination on Monday, Shafer told Chernoff it's hard to know the precise effect Propofol may have had on MJ because the singer had been given so much of it in the 2 months before he died.
164 COMMENTS

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16.

JLS    

I've had Propofol. In my wildest dreams I cannot believe anyone would use this at home and for insomnia. More like knock you out cold instantly. I broke my leg and ankle and had major surgery to implant a steel plate and screws. They used it prior to the longer term major anesthesia I had for the 4 hour surgery. This is VERY powerful. There is no way in hell you could administer it to yourself and make it through to the end of the effort. You simply couldn't do it.

1046 days ago
17.

HumanNature    

Conrad Murray Was Clueless, Harmful to Michael Jackson: Expert


The prosecution's main expert on Wednesday called Dr. Conrad Murray's treatment of Michael Jackson "egregious," "difficult to comprehend," and "inexcusable." In fact, Dr. Steven Schafer testified to 17 different "unconscionable" ways Murray's treatment could have contributed to the death of the music legend.

Schafer, an anesthesiologist who wrote the packaging insert for propofol – the main drug blamed in Jackson's death – also told the Los Angeles jury in the fourth week of the involuntary manslaughter trial that Murray behaved more like an employee who was following Jackson's orders than a doctor whose priority was his patient's health.

"If Dr. Murray had acted like a doctor the first time Michael had said, 'I need propofol to sleep,' Dr. Murray would have said, 'You have a sleep disorder and you need to be evaluated by a sleep doctor. I am not giving you anything,' " testified Schafer, a professor of anesthesiology at Columbia University and one of the prosecution's final witnesses.

Schafer, whose testimony will stretch across three days, explained there were many things Murray did on June 25, 2009, that every doctor knows not to do – and that many of these errors led to the pop star's death at age 50 from acute propofol intoxication.

Among his claims faulting Jackson's doctor:
• Murray should not have administered the toxic anesthetic and other dangerous drugs in the singer's bedroom without proper monitoring equipment.
• Murray should not have attempted to treat insomnia with propofol.
• Murray failed to keep any kind of medical records.
• Murray should not have left the room without another physician watching Jackson.
• Murray incompetently administered CPR by pushing down with one hand on Jackson's chest, with Jackson still on his bed instead of a hard surface.
• Schafer was particularly indignant that Murray telephoned Jackson's personal assistant and left a voice mail message long before 911 was called.

"That is so egregious that I actually find it difficult to comprehend – you have a patient who has been arrested and you call and leave a voice message for someone. ... That is so completely and utterly inexcusable," Schafer testified. "Dr. Murray was quite clueless as to what to do."

Many of the seven men and five women of the jury took copious notes during Schafer's testimony, which should conclude Thursday. The defense is expected to present its witnesses, including its own anesthesia expert, starting on Friday and will likely conclude its case next week.

Murray claims that he was trying to wean Jackson off propofol, that he administered a minuscule, 25mg dose of the drug, and that he left Jackson's side for only two minutes to go to the bathroom before noticing that Jackson had stopped breathing. If convicted, Murray could receive up to four years in prison, although home detention is also a possibility.


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20538472,00.html

1046 days ago
18.

TheUltraworld    

How do Murray's Lawyers even begin to defend him? Where do they start? I think they are going to have to blame someone.

1046 days ago
19.

nan    

Supposedly this doctor wont serve time if convicted of this crime, but they should yank his license as quickly as possible..After listening so far to these witnesses, he should be shunned like a a pariah for the way he treated his patient .the lies , cover up , the incompetence and the effort by him in the police interview to shift the blame onto his dead patient..
makes me sick when i think of that youtube video of him saying i told the tooth..baloney..
the look on his face says it all, because he is getting hung, with his lown lies, in his own words.... of him being out of the room for two minutes...and mj had a thready pulse.you know he knows, that the doctors testifying know he lied and he cant correct it without getting on the stand and admitting so...

1046 days ago
20.

MiMi    


LOS ANGELES (AP) — A medical expert looked jurors in the eyes Wednesday and told them that Michael Jackson's doctor committed 17 flagrant violations of the standard of care for his famous patient and was directly responsible for the death of the King of Pop.

Dr. Steven Shafer at one point called the defendant, Dr. Conrad Murray, "clueless" when it came to using the powerful anesthetic propofol and said he didn't know what to do when Jackson stopped breathing.

Prosecutor David Walgren concluded the day's questioning by asking Shafer: "Would it be your opinion that Conrad Murray is directly responsible for the death of Michael Jackson for his egregious violations and abandonment of Michael Jackson?"

Shafer replied, "Absolutely."

Just giving Jackson the anesthetic as a sleep aid was unconscionable, Shafer testified earlier.

"We are in pharmacological never-never land here, something that was done to Michael Jackson and no one else in history to my knowledge," he told jurors.

When Murray found Jackson not breathing, there was nothing more important than calling 911, Shafer said.

Asked about Murray's failure to do so, the witness caught his breath and said, "I almost don't know what to say. That is so completely and utterly inexcusable."

In addition, Murray was acting more like Jackson's employee than a physician who should have rejected the singer's requests for propofol as a sleep aid, Shafer said.

"Saying yes is not what doctors do," he testified. "A competent doctor would know you do not do this."

He added, "If a patient requests something frivolous or dangerous, it is the doctor's responsibility to say no."

The Columbia University professor and researcher gave jurors a crash course on propofol, an anesthetic used in hospital settings.

A video shown to jurors detailed numerous safety measures that were not employed by Murray when he administered the drug to Jackson as a sleep aid at the singer's home, according to testimony.

"The worst disasters occur in sedation and they occur when people cut corners," Shafer said. In Jackson's case, "virtually none of the safeguards were in place," he added.

Shafer is expected to be the last prosecution witness in the involuntary manslaughter case against Murray. His testimony will resume Thursday.

He said the fact that Murray was on his cell phone in the hours before Jackson's death was a setup for disaster.

"A patient who is about to die does not look all that different from a patient who is OK," Shafer said, adding that doctors cannot multitask and properly monitor a patient who is sedated.

Shafer, who wrote the package insert that guides doctors in the use of the anesthetic, lectured the jury as if they were in a classroom. He narrated while the silent video took jurors into an operating room to see the specialized equipment and procedures.

The researcher told jurors that it appeared Murray intended to give Jackson large doses of propofol on a nightly basis. He said records showed Murray purchased 130 100ml vials of propofol in the nearly three months before Jackson's death.

Shafer said that is "an extraordinary amount to purchase to administer to a single individual."

He also told jurors that keeping records is essential. While narrating the video, Shafer noted the doctor in the footage was taking copious notes.

"Moment by moment, the anesthesiologist writes down everything that happens, as diligently as you are doing here," he said as jurors scribbled in notebooks.

He said the lack of record-keeping was a violation of Jackson's rights, especially if something went wrong.

"He has a right to know what was done to him," Shafer said. "With no medical record, the family has been denied that right."

Testimony has shown that Murray took no notes on his treatment of Jackson and didn't record his vital signs on June 25, 2009, the day Jackson died.

Shafer said he was testifying for the prosecution without a fee because he wants to restore public confidence in doctors who use propofol, which he called a wonderful drug when properly administered.

"I am asked every day in the operating room, 'Are you going to give me the drug that killed Michael Jackson,'" Shafer said. "This is a fear that patients do not need to have."

Shafer, who edits journals on anesthesia and is widely published on the subject, also gave jurors a demonstration from the witness stand of how propofol is drawn into an IV bag with a large syringe. He produced a bottle of the white substance that Jackson referred to as his "milk" and showed the steps involved, which took several minutes.

The explanation by Shafer and the depiction in the video seemed to belie an early defense claim that Jackson could have administered the drug to himself. The process shown Wednesday appeared too complicated for self-administration.

The video also suggested the only place for propofol to be administered properly is in a hospital with medical personnel on hand. The video showed a printed warning if problems arise: "Call for Help!"

Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, told police he delayed calling 911 because he was giving Jackson CPR.

Murray has acknowledged giving Jackson doses of propofol in the superstar's bedroom as a sleep aid. However, his attorneys have said the amount of propofol given to Jackson on the day he died was too small to cause his sudden death at age 50.

Murray's attorneys will begin calling witnesses Friday. They plan to call 15 people, including police detectives, character witnesses and Randy Phillips, the head of AEG Live, the promoter of Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts.

Chernoff said the defense should rest its case by Wednesday.

Murray's attorneys are also going to call one of Shafer's colleagues, Dr. Paul White, as an expert to try to counter the prosecution case.

http://news.yahoo.com/witness-jackson-doctor-caused-singe...

1046 days ago
21.

MiMi    


Expert: 'A simple chin lift' could've saved Michael Jackson

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LOS ANGELES (AP) — A medical expert looked jurors in the eyes Wednesday and told them that Michael Jackson's doctor committed 17 flagrant violations of the standard of care for his famous patient and was directly responsible for the death of the King of Pop.

Dr. Steven Shafer at one point called the defendant, Dr. Conrad Murray, "clueless" when it came to using the powerful anesthetic propofol and said he didn't know what to do when Jackson stopped breathing.

Prosecutor David Walgren concluded the day's questioning by asking Shafer: "Would it be your opinion that Conrad Murray is directly responsible for the death of Michael Jackson for his egregious violations and abandonment of Michael Jackson?"

Shafer replied, "Absolutely."

Just giving Jackson the anesthetic as a sleep aid was unconscionable, Shafer testified earlier.

"We are in pharmacological never-never land here, something that was done to Michael Jackson and no one else in history to my knowledge," he told jurors.

When Murray found Jackson not breathing, there was nothing more important than calling 911, Shafer said.

Asked about Murray's failure to do so, the witness caught his breath and said, "I almost don't know what to say. That is so completely and utterly inexcusable."

In addition, Murray was acting more like Jackson's employee than a physician who should have rejected the singer's requests for propofol as a sleep aid, Shafer said.

"Saying yes is not what doctors do," he testified. "A competent doctor would know you do not do this."

He added, "If a patient requests something frivolous or dangerous, it is the doctor's responsibility to say no."

The Columbia University professor and researcher gave jurors a crash course on propofol, an anesthetic used in hospital settings.

A video shown to jurors detailed numerous safety measures that were not employed by Murray when he administered the drug to Jackson as a sleep aid at the singer's home, according to testimony.

"The worst disasters occur in sedation and they occur when people cut corners," Shafer said. In Jackson's case, "virtually none of the safeguards were in place," he added.

Shafer is expected to be the last prosecution witness in the involuntary manslaughter case against Murray. His testimony will resume Thursday.

He said the fact that Murray was on his cell phone in the hours before Jackson's death was a setup for disaster.

"A patient who is about to die does not look all that different from a patient who is OK," Shafer said, adding that doctors cannot multitask and properly monitor a patient who is sedated.

Shafer, who wrote the package insert that guides doctors in the use of the anesthetic, lectured the jury as if they were in a classroom. He narrated while the silent video took jurors into an operating room to see the specialized equipment and procedures.

The researcher told jurors that it appeared Murray intended to give Jackson large doses of propofol on a nightly basis. He said records showed Murray purchased 130 100ml vials of propofol in the nearly three months before Jackson's death.

Shafer said that is "an extraordinary amount to purchase to administer to a single individual."

He also told jurors that keeping records is essential. While narrating the video, Shafer noted the doctor in the footage was taking copious notes.

"Moment by moment, the anesthesiologist writes down everything that happens, as diligently as you are doing here," he said as jurors scribbled in notebooks.

He said the lack of record-keeping was a violation of Jackson's rights, especially if something went wrong.

"He has a right to know what was done to him," Shafer said. "With no medical record, the family has been denied that right."

Testimony has shown that Murray took no notes on his treatment of Jackson and didn't record his vital signs on June 25, 2009, the day Jackson died.

Shafer said he was testifying for the prosecution without a fee because he wants to restore public confidence in doctors who use propofol, which he called a wonderful drug when properly administered.

"I am asked every day in the operating room, 'Are you going to give me the drug that killed Michael Jackson,'" Shafer said. "This is a fear that patients do not need to have."

Shafer, who edits journals on anesthesia and is widely published on the subject, also gave jurors a demonstration from the witness stand of how propofol is drawn into an IV bag with a large syringe. He produced a bottle of the white substance that Jackson referred to as his "milk" and showed the steps involved, which took several minutes.

The explanation by Shafer and the depiction in the video seemed to belie an early defense claim that Jackson could have administered the drug to himself. The process shown Wednesday appeared too complicated for self-administration.

The video also suggested the only place for propofol to be administered properly is in a hospital with medical personnel on hand. The video showed a printed warning if problems arise: "Call for Help!"

Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter, told police he delayed calling 911 because he was giving Jackson CPR.

Murray has acknowledged giving Jackson doses of propofol in the superstar's bedroom as a sleep aid. However, his attorneys have said the amount of propofol given to Jackson on the day he died was too small to cause his sudden death at age 50.

Murray's attorneys will begin calling witnesses Friday. They plan to call 15 people, including police detectives, character witnesses and Randy Phillips, the head of AEG Live, the promoter of Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts.

Chernoff said the defense should rest its case by Wednesday.

Murray's attorneys are also going to call one of Shafer's colleagues, Dr. Paul White, as an expert to try to counter the prosecution case.

http://news.yahoo.com/witness-jackson-doctor-caused-singe...

1046 days ago
22.

MiMi    

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson "most likely" died because his tongue blocked the back of his throat, but he could have been saved if Dr. Conrad Murray had used "a simple chin lift" when he realized the pop icon had stopped breathing, an anesthesiologist testified Wednesday.

A cardiologist previously testified in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial that he thought Jackson died of respiratory arrest, but Dr. Steven Shafer expanded on the theory, saying, "The most likely thing that happened was airway obstruction."

"Michael Jackson was trying to breathe, but the tongue had fallen in the back of the throat," Shafer said. "Either a simple chin lift, just that alone, or an oral airway to move the tongue out of the way might well have been all that was required to save his life."

Shafer, probably the prosecution's last witness before the defense starts its case, said Jackson would have be alive now but for 17 "egregious deviations" by Murray from the standard of care required of physicians.

Murray's use of propofol almost every night for two months to help Jackson sleep was so unusual, there is no do***entation on the dangers, Shafer said.

Shafer: Murray lacked care with Jackson "We are in pharmacological never-never land here," Shafer said. "Something that's only been done to Michael Jackson."

Shafer is crucial to the state's effort to prove that Jackson's death was caused by the doctor's gross negligence in using propofol to help the entertainer sleep while he was preparing for his "This Is It" comeback concerts in London. The prosecution contends that Murray's use of propofol was so reckless that it was criminal.

The Los Angeles County coroner ruled that Jackson's June 25, 2009, death was caused by "acute propofol intoxication" in combination with several sedatives.

Jurors watched a video presented Wednesday by Shafer showing what he said was the safe way to administer propofol, including the use of monitoring equipment to measure a patient's vital signs and the availability of emergency equipment in case of complications.

"The facts in this case, in my view, suggest that virtually none of the safeguards for sedation were in place when propofol was administered to Michael Jackson," Shafer said.

One violation was Murray's reliance on a lower-end pulse oxymeter that did not have an alarm to let him know that the oxygen level in his patient's blood was low, Shafer said,

"That would have save Michael Jackson's life," Shafer said.

Murray failed to act as a doctor when Jackson asked to use propofol every night for two months to battle insomnia, Shafer said.

"The very first time Michael Jackson said 'I need propofol to sleep,' a doctor would say, 'You have a sleep disorder, and you need to be seen by doctors who specialize in sleep disorders and not having me show up with propofol,' " Shafer said.

Murray told police he left Jackson's side for only two minutes to relieve himself in the toilet, but Shafer said a doctor should never leave a sedated patient unwatched, "because it's very likely there's going to be a disaster."

"No matter how full your bladder is, you don't leave the steering wheel," Shafer said, comparing it to a driver going to the restroom while his motor home was barreling down a highway.

When a patient stops breathing it should be "no big deal" for a competent doctor who is prepared, Shafer said.

"If Dr. Murray had been at the head of the bed and next to Michael Jackson and saw Michael Jackson stop breathing, he would simply have opened up the route for air, either chin lift, something simple, or perhaps ventilate Michael Jackson's lungs with that mask and that squeeze bag that I showed you and then nothing would have happened. There would have been no adverse outcome at all."

Murray appeared "quite clueless" about what to do when he returned from the toilet and realized Jackson was not breathing, Shafer said.

Even without proper emergency treatment from Murray, Jackson "would be alive, but with neurological injury," if paramedics had been called immediately, he said.

Shafer's video showed doctors and nurses reviving a pretend patient using equipment, drugs and staffing Murray did not have at Jackson's home.

"It's a terrifying dramatization of a person experiencing cardiac arrest, complete with visual effects," defense lawyer Ed Chernoff said in his argument against letting jurors see the video.

While Chernoff argued that it was designed to "inflame the jurors' minds," Deputy District Attorney David Walgren said it was intended only to inform them about the safe methods of administering propofol.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Walgren to edit several segments from the video, but he allowed much of it to be shown in court, including a demonstration of what happens when a patient experiences cardiac arrest while under propofol.

Shafer, who is one of the world's foremost experts on anesthesiology, testified that he is not being paid for his testimony because he did not want people to think money would influence his testimony.

"This is just a Steve Shafer thing," Shafer said.

He agreed to testify at no charge because he feared that the publicity surrounding Jackson's death had harmed "the reputation of physicians," Shafer said. "I felt a need to help restore confidence that physicians put patients first."

"As an anesthesiologist seeing sedation given in ways that do not reflect how anesthesiologists practice, I wished to present how an anesthesiologist approaches sedation so that patients are not afraid," he said.

Propofol, which he regularly uses, has been given a bad reputation, he said.

"I am asked every day, 'Are you going to give me the drug that killed Michael Jackson?' " Shafer said. "This is a fear patients do not need to have."

Prosecutors said they will conclude their direct presentation Thursday, but rebuttal witnesses could be called next week after the defense rests its case. The defense starts on Friday.

Murray faces a maximum sentence of four years if convicted of involuntary manslaughter, but a new California law could mean the doctor would never see the inside of a state prison cell.

The law, intended to reduce state prison overcrowding, provides for most nonviolent offenders with no prior record to be kept in county jails.

A four-year sentence could become two years if Murray is ordered to serve his time in the Los Angeles County jail, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Nicole Nishida.

In addition, the Los Angeles jail is under court order to reduce overcrowding, which means many nonviolent first-time offenders are allowed to serve the bulk of their time under supervised house arrest.

A conviction, however, would probably trigger the revocation of Murray's medical licenses in California, Texas and Nevada.

The trial, in its fourth week, is expected to conclude with the start of jury deliberations near the end of next week.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/justice/california-conrad-m...

1046 days ago
23.

Luna    

Conrad was a cardiologist not an anesthesiologist. he was never qualified to administer propofol inside of a hospital and definitely not outside of one.

The guy should get more than 4 years.

1046 days ago
24.

HumanNature    

ALL THE MEDICAL EXPERTS STATED THAT THE "QUACK" WAS EXPERIMENTING ON MJ!!!


THIS "QUACK" REMINDS ME OF DR. FRIGHTENING-STEIN

1046 days ago
25.

HumanNature    

Conrad Murray shows little emotion in court... do jurors notice?


You've been following the Conrad Murray trial with us since the beginning and we know you've got a ton of questions! That's why we're bringing them to our panel of experts so we can get you some answers.

Here's a question from Kat in Tennesse: " The one thing that has struck me is Dr. Murray's demeanor in the courtroom. He sits there everyday with no expression on his face, almost like he's bored or detached. He didn't even show emotion when his girlfriends were on the stand. I was wondering how this is going to go for the defense. If I were on the jury, I'd be noticing that."

In Session's Beth Karas: "It's not unusual for attorneys to tell their client, 'Do not emote, just sit there, I don't want you to show anything, people shouldn't be able to read anything on your face.' So maybe they're telling him that. I don’t know if the jurors are going to read anything into that. They're not supposed to."

In Session's Jean Casarez: "Besides the crying in the opening statements, I've seen two things. First, I've seen fear and panic in his eyes when the testimony has been against what he did. I've also seen him come alive with some of the medical testimony. He's a doctor, he loves this stuff. I've seen him be very interested in that expert testimony."

Do you think Murray's demeanor in the courtroom is having an effect on jurors? Tweet us: @HLNtv, Facebook us: Facebook.com/HLN or talk to us in the comments section below.

Complete courtroom coverage of the Conrad Murray trial airs live on HLN from gavel to gavel. It’s also on In Session on truTV from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. ET every weekday.


THIS "QUACK" DEMEANOR IN COURT JUST SHOW HOW COLD, CALLOUS AND DUMB HE IS!!!!


YES, I NOTICE ALSO HOW THIS "QUACK" IS MORE ATTENTIVE WHEN THE MEDICAL EXPERTS ARE TESTIFYING!!!


THE "QUACK" IS LEARNING ABOUT REAL MEDICAL PROCEDURES NOT THAT "VOODOO" MEDICINE THAT HE'S BEEN PRACTICING!!!

1046 days ago
26.

HumanNature    

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HIS CURRENT WIFE, DR. BLANCHE MURRAY HAS TO SAY ABOUT ALL OF THIS!!!


ALSO, HAVE NICOLE ALVAREZ REGAIN HER "INSTRUMENT", THE BRAIN???


SHE WILL NEVER EVER WORK IN "HOLLYWOOD"!!!

1046 days ago
27.

HumanNature    

THIS "QUACK" DEFENSE PLAN TO BLAME "OLD MCDONALD"!!!


THEY WANT TO BRING IN THE "PIG" AND NOW THE "DOG"!!!!


PETA IS BARKING MAD THAT THE "QUACK" DEFENSE EXPERIMENT ON SOME BEAGLE DOGS AND I DON'T BLAME THEM!!!


PETA Calls For Federal Investigation Into Conrad Murray Propofol Study On Beagle Dogs


The shocking news that Dr. Conrad Murray's defense team tested the drug Propofol on Beagle dogs to help with his case in the Michael Jackson death trial has outraged PETA so much that they're calling for a federal investigation, saying it would have caused "enormous suffering in the animals."

As RadarOnline.com exclusively reported, Dr. Murray's defense team commissioned a study testing the affects of the powerful anesthetic on Beagle dogs, to bolster their claim that Michael Jackson orally overdosed on the drug.

"I cannot imagine any use for this information at all," PETA's Vice President of Laboratory Kathy Guillermo exclusively told RadarOnline.com. "These tests cause enormous suffering in animals."

PHOTOS: Key Players In The Trial Of Dr. Conrad Murray

PETA (the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals organization), filed a complaint with the U.S. Department o****riculture (USDA) on Monday alleging "cruel drug toxicity tests on beagles commissioned by the defense team of Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician now on trial for his alleged role in Michael Jackson's death.

“PETA asserts that if attorneys from Flanagan, Unger, Grover & McCool did commission the tests for the drug propofol - the toxic effects of which have been extensively studied in dogs and humans - those tests were likely conducted in violation of the federal Animal Welfare Act's prohibition against tests on animals that duplicate previous experiments. PETA has filed a complaint with the State Bar of California as well."

Read PETA's Letter To The USDA

The animal rights organization is also requesting that the California State Bar investigate "how and why these cruel and archaic tests on beagles were allowed and, should violations of the law be found, to punish those responsible."

Whether or not the dogs died during the tests that Dr. Murray's team conducted is unclear, but PETA says the tests torture the innocent animals.

Read PETA's Complaint To The California Bar

"In toxicology tests, large doses of chemicals are pumped into dogs' bodies, slowly poisoning them. Substantial data are publicly available about the oral toxicity of propofol in dogs and other animals, and propofol toxicity and propofol infusion syndrome have been extensively studied in humans. PETA is calling on the USDA to also investigate whether the tests reportedly commissioned by Dr. Murray's defense team were conducted at a registered facility and whether they were properly reviewed and approved by an Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee."

As PETA previously told RadarOnline.com, "This would have greatly upset Michael, who was known to be a huge animal lover. This was obviously a cruel attempt to drag out this trial and confuse the jurors, adding more victims to the death toll in this sad case."

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Guillermo added: "If we find evidence that the testing occurred the USDA will cite the lab, but nothing is going to bring the dogs back."

Dr. Conard Murry's trial will continue on Wednesday and you can watch it live, right here, on RadarOnline.com.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/conrad-murray-propofol-testing-beagles-peta-wants-federal-investigation

1046 days ago
28.

HumanNature    

igotfleasfromtmz:


DEA DID INVESTIGATE BUT THE THING IS NICOLE ALVAREZ DID SIGN FOR SOME OF THE PACKAGES BUT CLAIM SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE BOXES!!!


WITHOUT PROOF THE DEA DON'T HAVE A CASE!!!


THE POLICE FEELS THAT NICOLE ALVAREZ KNOWS MORE THAN SHE'S TELLING!!!!


SHE'S HOLDING THE "QUACK" SECRETS!!!!


CAN YOU TELL BY THE WAY SHE WAS ACTING IN COURT????


IT'S CALL "PILLOW TALK"!!!


SHE'S PROTECTING HER "QUACK"!!!

1046 days ago
29.

igotfleasfromtmz    

Get him out of the Medical field any Dr. that won't tell the truth about what he has done to a patient in order to save his own a....ss should be burried to the neck in red ant hills.

1046 days ago
30.

HumanNature    

I HOPE THAT THE JURY FIND THE "QUACK" GUILTY, JUDGE PASTOR STRIP HIM OF HIS MEDICAL LICENSE, IMPOSE A JAIL/HEFTY FINE/PROBATION AND DEPOT HIS DUMB ASS BACK TO GRENADA!!!!


NOW, THAT'S JUSTICE!!!

1046 days ago
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