Celebrity Justice
Anna Nicole Death Timeline

TMZ has pieced together some of the events that ended in the discovery that Anna Nicole Smith was dead.
Stern, Smith, And Big MOe
Rewind to the morning of February 8. Anna Nicole Smith was in bed in her suite at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino. Tasma "Taz" Brighthaupt, the wife of bodyguard Big Moe, was tending to Anna. Taz believed Smith was sleeping. Mid-morning, she left the suite and went with Big Moe to the airport to pick up some people.

We're told that just before noon, Big Moe, his wife and several others entered the hotel lobby. As they approached the elevator, Howard K. Stern came down the elevator from Anna's room. They all chatted and all went upstairs. Moe and his wife went into their room in the suite, leaving Howard in the living room. We don't know if Howard entered Anna's room.

We're told that a short time later (just after 12 noon), Moe was getting ready to leave. Howard asked Taz if she would stay and tend to Anna. She remained and Moe and Howard left.

We're told once in the lobby, Howard began pacing as he used his cellphone. Moe left the hotel.

We're told Taz never spoke with Anna that day. Taz assumed she was sleeping. Taz was using a computer near Anna's bed, never knowing there was trouble. At around 1:30, Taz realized something was wrong and called her husband. Moe then called the hotel, and someone on the staff then called 911.

It is unclear what Stern was doing between 12:00 and 1:30, but we're told he did not go back to the room during this timeframe.

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6076. Suzanne, Got company here fr the next week. Decided to take a breather and checkout the latest. Sadly, you haven't posted! I so enjoy your thoughts... Talk with you later!

Posted at 5:18PM on Apr 23rd 2007 by Just Thinking

6077.
Just Thinking,

I have discovered that people just believe what they believe, and no
words nor facts you can present will change that. Most of all, I
have been thunderstruck by the ongoing attacks on Virgie Arthur.
Especially in view of the poor job the Sterns appear to have done
as parents of Howard. I mean, if we want to blame the parents for
what has happened, we have to be fair. I think people are what
they are, and sometimes parents can do little with them or about
them. The Sterns have supported their son, as Anna supported
him.

I wish I could find the links you have suggested. I will keep trying.
I can't agree with your suggestion that someone who is capable of such
deceit and treachery would consider taking his life, or
ever even contemplate anything other than continuing with his plots.
After all, he has been very successful, has made millions from not
even working, and why would he do anything other than to continue
to pursue the money?

However, enlighten me on this. I heard it said several times for
fact that the Will is forged. If it is forged how can it be utilized as
Pro Pinder wants, for Howard to be made the executor of the fake
will in order to have him represent Anna, in court, to allow Ben Thompson
to at long last get the house that has always been his to begin with?
If a fake will were treated as legitimate wouldn't that give Howard Stern even more ability to rake in money from Anna's estate? And, speaking of
Pro Pinder, I never found the short article you mentioned, so can you
just tell me?

I wouldn't worry too much about the baby's receiving any Marshall money and becoming ruined by wealth. It amazes me that people have gone to
such outrageous lengths because they actually believe that will happen.
A judge found against Anna in Texas, and although the supreme court
rendered the decision that she could give it another shot, that doesn't
mean that any court would award her money that she never deserved to
begin with. Just my thoughts, based on practical realism. Of course,
if it is not fake, it was said the will is still invalid, since Daniel is deceased.

I am astonished that anyone lent credence to Howard's having any
right to stay in the house, to hold the baby in his custody, and to cause
everybody to go through this horrendous ordeal. This should be rectified,
and is it possible there will be a day of reckoning? He should pay all
attorney fees. From what you say, the birth certificate was a fraud.
The will is supposedly fake. The house should have been vacated long ago.
Larry and Virgie should have seen the baby and Larry should have had custody immediately after Anna's death.
It sounds as though Howard has the Bahamians buffaloed.
Do you know when the Inquest is now scheduled? The sooner the
better.

You are so right about Anna. I think she was spoiled, wild, undisciplined,
and she was then spoiled and pampered by Marshall. She was a playmate, a model, and that was about it for her career. She couldn't dance, sing or
act. She went after Marshall's children's money, although she got what he had left her. I have always been astonished that any court would have considered that a legitimate lawsuit. However, she spiraled downward in the last few years, and after she and Larry reached a parting of the ways, she
was headed for deadly disaster.

I have a great respect for Ayn Rand. Regrettably, I have no respect
for the way Anna chose to live her life, and there is no comparison
between her character and values and those of a respected writer
like Ayn Rand. I do think Anna was treated with contempt and
neglect in the last months of her life, and prior to the baby's birth she
and the baby were endangered by drugs, she endured the unbearable
when she lost Daniel, and then there were those terrible last days before
she hideously died.

Well, if Daniel made the remark to Stern that you mentioned, Howard
certainly had his revenge.

Posted at 6:06PM on Apr 23rd 2007 by Suzanne

6078. Okay, let me see if I can help you. If the sites I have recommended are on TMZ, enter on the search line, Anna Nicole__________and the name I have given. When the screen comes up, scroll down to the bottom where it says "more.." click on that. Keep looking for the title I have given you. When you find the title, click on the bottom where it says "Comments" and then click to the page I have given.

Posted at 10:12PM on Apr 23rd 2007 by Just Thinking

6079. I used the examples of ANS and Ayn Rand only because they were both amoralist:they established for themselves their own values.People like this may or may not "fit"in with the larger society. Some are down right crooks believing their values are right. They usualy don't care what you think; they are comfortable within their own skins. Mother Teresa was another amoralist. Some we want to be like, others we shudder over. Stern was not an amoralist. He DOES care for public opinion but has some serious mental problem that you have called evil; I say he is psychotic.

Be back later! I can't find anything on ANS, Stern, Birkhead, or Daniel. I don't know when the inquest will be. I need to check out the Bahama newspapers...

Posted at 10:11PM on Apr 23rd 2007 by Just Thinking

6080.
I've been in several blogs, one where Larry is hiring a lawyer,
following the behavior of Howard. Another one bashing Virgie,
saying she married her stepbrother. TMZ in my opinion is
despicable for leading out two blogs against Virgie Arthur,
one with her "rearing her head", and one with her "having
baby with stepbrother". I find that reprehensible.

That really makes me wonder about TMZ and if that this is
any better than ET and they way they catered to Stern and
attacked Arthur.

I hate to say this, and I don't want to sound on the edge,
but after reading the statements that are made on all these subjects
I am beginning to think there are not only multitudes of the
totally ignorant, but there is also an alarming amount of evil
in the world.

I knew what you meant about Ayn Rand. In Atlas Shrugged
she was totally right about everything she said. The
fountainhead wasn't as good, but was worth the read.
Sorry I can't underline.

I don't even know Virgie Arthur. I do have a conscience
and a compassionate heart, though, and I am shocked
and appalled at the endless vicious remarks that have
absolutely nothing to do with anything that has happened
or about what is going on! People just appear to be
insane in their continuing ignorant and abusive
attacks on Anna's mother. And, ET and TMZ aiding and
abetting it with their baiting and their distortions of the
truth, to me is totally irresponsible and without merit.

I don't know how Arthur has stood up under the loss of her
daughter and her grandson, knowing what happened to
them, having her grandchild maliciously kept from her
(she had to see her in a lawyer's office while Larry and
Howard balefully stood there), and having these
nutcases attack her with vile language. So long as
they do that, is as long as I will continue to defend her.

And there is Stern, still in another man's home, having kept
the baby hostage trying to block the DNA, having stopped the
Inquest, and numerous other things that will take too long to write and
about which you already know.

I think the Inquest is May 29, but I think the custody hearing is
Friday, but not sure. Also, I TOTALLY agree with what you
said about Stern. There is no other way to explain it.

Hope you're enjoying your company! See you later!

Posted at 11:53PM on Apr 24th 2007 by Suzanne

6081. Suzanne<
Been looking for you. and some of the others! Anything coming out of the Bahamas??

Posted at 10:35PM on Apr 25th 2007 by Just Thinking

6082.
Hi, Just Thinking,

Just the usual venom spewing, hate filled posts from people
who never had an original thought. One woman even said
Gary should have the baby. Hahaha. I have been rather
despondent thinking that there will never be any justice in the
deaths of Anna and Daniel, and that this adorable and precious
baby, who managed to hang on through such life threatening
situations before and after her birth, will never have a decent
life at all.

I am concerned about every aspect of this situation. I thought
Larry was taking the child to be with his family in Kentucky,
but when Nancy Grace asked his sister that tonight she said
well, he had other things to take care of, I am assuming in
California.

I am feeling a little leery about this child's life, but there is nothing
anybody can do. Anna didn't want Larry in the baby's life, and
toward the end she told someone she wanted to get away from
Howard and said Howard was a monster. She was on drugs
and was hanging out in a gay bar with them and with a drug
doctor. Now what? Will drugs be involved around the baby?
Will weird people be hanging out all the time where she lives?
I find it all very depressing.

Howard and Larry are big buddies now, and they have both sold
pictures of the baby. I see the pictures of Larry and the baby,
him looking like a pinup, without a shirt, and I don't want to be
critical, but it just doesn't seem like appropriate pictures unless
he were modeling cologne or Levi's and not holding a baby.

If he's not going to Kentucky to be with his family, I guess he has
a nanny to care for the baby, because he has to work, unless
the magazine paid him a bundle, and I am sure they did. I think
Larry really cares about the baby, but he has a social life and
other things are involved. Even if he married there isn't much
hope that the person wold be loving and responsible with the
baby.

I get the feeling that Howard and Larry have big plans for the
Marshall money, and the baby is the key. Anna, whether we
respect her choices and her lifestyle or not, was used
disgracefully, being filmed by ET, and in other ways.

More than anything we have wanted the baby to be safe.
But all things considered it doesn't look too favorable. I
am stunned at Larry's pairing up with Howard and becoming
his champion. I don't know about how you feel, but I have a
very hopeless feeling about the baby's good and happy
(SAFE) future.

Posted at 11:40PM on Apr 26th 2007 by Suzanne

6083. Suzanne--
TMZ has story on Virgie trying to block Larry taking Dannielynn from Bahamas. Judge threw a $3,000 fine against her for wasting court time. Judge stated he didn't know why/how the case ended up in the courts...

Posted at 2:36PM on Apr 27th 2007 by Just Thinking

6084. I am more encouraged than discouraged. Dannielynn has her safety valves in place. The world will watch this child grow up much as Shirley Temple was watched and noted. Hopefully, she will have a solid,decent life... which many children do not get in the USA. I think, what with all the money, I am more concerned of a child snatching than anything else.

I expect, after the inquest, Larry will pretend he "knew nothing" about HKS; he will use some info from the inquest as the needed excuse to break from HKS. Right now, there are still legal issues Larry has to wind through. Ansd the upcoming lawsuits.
(And where is MOE??? and Milstein? I would have thought Milstein would have put his 2 cents in for the custody thing. Then again, I suppose he was just a "figurehead" in the guardianship thing.)

My guess, we are about 1/2 the way through the first phase. Guardianship appointed will be sometime in June, the official paper work completed. Probably had to do back ground checks, home checks, in addition to the DNA. Then, inquest; then lawsuits; then exhumation of Daniel; and lawsuits; then exhumation of ANS, plus lawsuits; second autopsy of ANS for investigation based upon Daniel's inquest; then trial for parties involved in one or both of the deaths. Of course, there will be funerals, again, for ANS and her son.

Yeah, I am more optimistic about the mess. Amazing how this has drawn so much interest. So much for Yeltsin's death, upcoming elections, Iraq, Holocaust Day, Saudi Arabia arresting 172 terrorists, etc.. Even my Pogo scores haven't changed much!

Posted at 2:55PM on Apr 27th 2007 by Just Thinking

6085.
You must be the eternal optimist, haha.
Larry appears to be consorting with Howard,
he defends Howard to the press despite all he
KNOWS to be true, we hear they are both gay,
but don't know for sure, despite the Enquirer
article, and we see Larry's centerfold poses for pictures with the baby. But, Larry now has the new birth certificate, and he will be heading home with the precious and adorable baby Danielynn. Howard is also headed for LA.

I will just keep hoping for the best for
the baby. We evaluate and discuss, we share our thoughts, and even if we ever disagree on some points, we are still friends. I benefit from your thoughts and your observations.

I hope you are right about the safety
valves. It is one thing to pose for pictures,
but taking care of and giving a child love
and support 24-7 is something else.
I am very impressed with Larry's sister,
but she won't be there, and she has even
said he is not coming to Kentucky because
he has "things to take care of". Basically,
the baby will be solely in the care
of a nanny, whom Larry has already hired. We know nothing about his mother, other than that she and his father are divorced. I don't know about the solid life, either, with Larry, although he is much more to be desired than Howard Stern.

The despicable behavior I have witnessed regarding Virgie Arthur takes the prize for loathsome. ET loves degrading the helpless. Did you happen to catch ET last night when they kept showing that horrible picture of Diane Keaten without makeup? I don't know how that robotic and idiotically grinning woman who bashed Virgie falsely about the grave, and other things, can live with herself. And look at what TMZ has put on their site about Virgie, "Virgie has baby with step brother", and "Virgie rears her head, again". There is no excuse for that vicious treatment of a grieving grandmother.
It is disgraceful. That is libelous. Virgie never slept with her step brother. She and the boy met, and as teenagers they got married, and her mother and his father met after they were married, as has been documented, and they fell in love and married. What really got me is how
ignorant people were in thinking step brothers and sisters were blood kin. Of course they aren't even related. It is sad how the intelligence of the masses has deteriorated.

Personally, I still wonder why, since Anna, her mother, and her grandmother, were investigated so thoroughly, no information has ever been presented on the Stern parents or the Birkhead parents, and THEIR parents, as has been done in on Anna's family. I have found that quite odd.

I hope you are right about the legal issues, once resolved and Howard out of the picture,
that Larry will then remove that child from
that deplorable situation. Will he remove
Howard from their lives and out of whatever
can be salvaged from Anna's estate?

Moe and Milstein? I don't even know if Moe
will be a witness at the Inquest, if it ever
occurs. He was doing a lot of honest talking right after Anna's death, but something put a stop to THAT! Milstein is another story and I
place him in the category I reserve for
the two judges and Perper, except I think
Milstein and Howard were chummy, and Milstein
likely came out well in that brief stint.
He was supposed to be representing the interests of the child in the funeral plans, wasn't he? But he let Howard sell the funeral for big money. I hope that child never sees that circus during which her mother was put in the ground.

Nancy Grace and her bunch of Virgie henchmen
(some of whom look dazed or crocked) all say
Virgie has the chance of a snowball in hell
to have partial custody. I am sure that is
true, but I don't think Virgie wants that for any reason other than to insure her being able to see the baby if Larry continues on his trail with Howard and refuses to even let her be in the baby's life. I blame Howard Stern for that entire problem, because perhaps Larry would have been civilized and he and Virgie would have been spending time with the baby, and there would have been no need for legal issues. I think Virgie was encouraged by Bahamian attorneys because they charged her a FORTUNE. I think that baby will grow up to hate the people who keep her from her mother's mother, and nothing will change that. She is a baby now, but as we know, baby's grow up. She will hate the fact that she was deprived of her grandmother when she was growing up, and she will NEVER forgive Larry for that. Of course, all things considered, she will hate Howard more.

I now begin to believe that the Courts in the Bahamas have allowed Howard Stern to tamper with their system and with justice in the Bahamas They allowed him to postpone the Inquest, and I am losing confidence that they will ever do much, although it does fall upon them to provide justice and to carry the standard that Florida dropped.

The Inquest will greatly restore my respect and my trust in humanity if they proceed properly
and if justice prevails. Unlikely, but hope springs eternal, or once did.

Florida should have handled this situation months ago. Our judicial system is flawed.
I am appalled at what this country has become. I contemplate moving to a place that is what this country once was, decent, safe and wonderful.

Daniel hated the Bahamas, and should have
never been buried there. Anna was too spaced
out and doped to even know what she wanted.
She had passed any hope of safety by that time.
She and Daniel should both be brought home.
It is past time.


Posted at 8:57PM on Apr 27th 2007 by Suzanne

6086. You are passionate, aren't you? First, I don't care what Larry's sexual orientation is as long as he is a good father, a decent person, and modest with his sexuality around his child. Posing with no shirt on does not bother me; after all, I used to plop the kids into the bath tub with me and hold them against my own skin. It was stated that the pictures where taken near the swimming pool. Besides, have you not seen a father without a shirt on with his kids? No big thing here. Larry's family appears to be the most stable of the three proffered; but I say appears because I do not have any info on them. Social workers would have to determine the stability; the sister does not have custody. Regarding a nanny raising the child as the primary care giver: How many women give birth and return to work leaving a child in the care of others? This is the "new" age... while I disagree with this family dyanmic, it is 65-80% the case today in America. Some nannies are very good and are regarded as part of the family... I will holdopinion until I have more info on this part... I don't yet know if it is a fact.

Larry is going to Kentucky at this time to be with his father who has just come out of the hospital after being critically ill. Next, leaving the baby there, he is going to the Kentucky horse race as a photographer. I am sure his work will sell just because of the media attention on the case. He is returning to his work, which is good.

Moe started telling 2 and 3 different accounts of Anna's death, her being pulled from the pool, the clown video, etc.. He needs to be at the inquest because he was always there with ANS...He knew Daniel. Milstein: yes, he was suppossed to represent the baby re: the funeral but he acted only as a figure head, agreeing with what ever.

Hatred is a learned concept. I don't hate unless I am taught to hate. I don't think the baby is going to hate someone because they did not know or experience something else. The exception is when they have had an abusive relationship with a care giver. Many adopted chidren have no desire to meet biological parents because they were raised in a stable family. I don't resent so much for what was done and resent for what was NOT done. There are many people I would like to have known and didn't: I do not resent for the longing here. Should I be upset because of the home I grew up in , the school wasn't the one I wanted, I wanted a younger sibling and it was denied to me... no; it is life. There was no harm done. So, we will see how the years spill out for the child.

Larry made some comments regarding Virgie today that were not needed. Virgie was sanctioned by the courts ($3,000) for wasting their time with her request for the child to stay in the Bahamas with... get this, HOWARD! Virgie said if the child left with Larry, then he would not return the child in June for Dannielynn's last court date there. That was slander and the courts sanctioned her. But, for her to say SHE wanted the child to stay in the Bahamas with HOWARD!!! That was a new one there. Larry reacted and said some snippy thing about Virgie... In this case, it was pettiness on Larry's part. He should have kept this thoughts quiet....

Once again, the media is there to spin, to create interest, to have listeners so ratings go up, and advertisers reach a larger audience creating (supply and demand) a higher advertising cost. I wouldn't take it too seriously or personally. Understand their game is the listener base, NOT truth.

It used to be said, that God is NOT a fair God but He is just. Media is not there for truth but to create interest in their spin. We can want something different but it is not relevant; they will present what they want. Media did overstep itself when they stated their opinion as fact regarding HKS and his"murder" of one or two in this case. That is slander and suable unless they have fact. Now, media is hoping Lin Wood (atty for HKS) will not sue them for slander against their client. Media is being extra nice; HKS is being nice to the courts and Larry because of the same reason.

Whenever something is said or done, ask WHY did they want to share this/do this at THIS time, listen and watch to said the thoughts conveyed. It will help to determine purpose. Then, especially with money or influence, ask who would best be served with what is taking place? (Judge Siedler in FL: Tears, emotional, great empathy, court behavior... it served HIM as he was hoping to use the tape for TV audition...) Look beyond the frosting on the cake if you want to find out the flavor of the cake....

Posted at 4:09PM on Apr 28th 2007 by Just Thinking

6087. Enjoyed your good comments and and interesting thoughts.

A few good things happen, such as Rosie's leaving The View, where she was constantly spewing venom and was even traitorous. She hates successful persons, but she welcomed Alex Baldwin with open arms and allowed him to sit and whine, blaming others for his verbal abuse of his daughter, and clearly the man has a mental problem. But, at least we will eventually not have to hear Rosie's raving and ranting, and endure her vulgarity.

Back to the Bahamas, I think Virgie Arthur has been through too much pain and suffering, and I don't know how she has held up under all the stress. It amazes me that after all Howard Stern has done, it is Virgie Arthur whom people criticize and ridicule. This is absolutely beyond my ability to comprehend. I think the attorneys in the Bahamas, who charged her $30,000 initially, have encouraged her and led her down a primrose path. I think her decision was totally wrong in filing to keep the baby in
the Bahamas, and especially with Howard Stern. Everybody will breathe a sigh of relief once that baby is out of Howard's clutches. Virgie has been totally beaten down, and receives neither sympathy nor compassion.

However, Larry, being weak, and apparently manipulated by Howard Stern, refused to assure Virgie that she would be included in the child's life, and he aligned himself with Howard, and only an hour was rationed for Virgie to see the baby while Larry and Howard stood there like two vultures. Actually, I think the court mandated that visit, and I have no respect for the heartless treatment of Anna's mother, and never will. I was so for Larry throughout, but
because he didn't take the high road I now see him in a totally different light, and have lost confidence in him as a person of strength and good character.
Oh, well, life is full of disappointments.

Howard's hatred for Virgie, because she suspected him in the deaths of Daniel and Anna, has been a driving force in his unrelenting revenge; i.e., the inappropriate remarks at the funeral and having ET misrepresent and
ridicule Virgie. TMZ joined the pack in trashing Virgie instead of directing attention toward the pursuit of justice.

Now Larry, and his consort, Howard, will pursue the Marshall money, a nanny will raise Danielynn, and Virgie Arthur will be likely be
blocked from seeing the baby. As much as I supported Larry throughout (as Virgie did) is as much as I have contempt for his treatment of Virgie, disappointment in his being controlled by Howard Stern, and in his childish
inability to do the right thing. We will see the outcome of all this, and we were in the minority in even having much interest in what has been a tawdry miscarriage of justice.

Yes, Larry will have custody of the baby, he and Howard will hang out with their friends, but Danielynn WILL want to see her mother's family and her grandmother when she is older. By the time she is of age to see them on her own her grandmother will likely be dead, if that doesn't occur sooner than later, due to all the stress and injustice Virgie Arthur has endured in the Florida court and in the Bahamas. Anna caused Virgie worry and grief
when she lived, and in death she has continued to do so.

Danielynn DOES need a closeness with her maternal grandmother, and she WILL hate and resent those who blocked her from seeing her mother's family, but she will know how hard her grandmother fought to protect her and to be "the grandmother".

A lot is said about Virgie Arthur "wanting money from the estate". All things considered, and all Howard Stern has done, I find that ludicrous. Howard and Larry don't have their eye on money making deals and the Marshall estate? Larry has hit the "big time" by being the biological father of a baby who is the heir to Anna Smith's estate, he has gotten a lot of press coverage, and has made money from his pictures with the baby. The baby has opened new horizons for someone many are calling the "sperm donor".

While I will be greatly relieved and very happy to know the baby will be with Judy, Larry's sister, who apparently has a loving heart and who seems to be a very good person, I certainly think Virgie Arthur has gotten a rotten deal in all regards. I also think that the Bahamian government has watched TV, and based decisions about Virgie on public opinion. In case you are thinking it,
I do NOT know anybody involved in any of this travesty.

I no longer believe there will be a reliable Inquest, and I think there has been a very questionable lack of investigation.

Posted at 10:12AM on Apr 28th 2007 by Suzanne

6088. I sent a very long message this morning. I thought I saw it here.
Now I don't see it. That is very strange. It took a long time to
write, too, LOL! Well, forget that.

I read tonight that Larry signed a million dollar contract the day
of Anna's funeral, and that is why he did the pictures, and how
some are getting first copies of the birth certificate. I also
read that his boyfriend was a model. I forget the name, and
don't know anything else about it.

All it took to establish a good relationship with Virgie was for
Larry to do the decent and civilized thing, which was to
give Virgie the assurance in writing that she would be part
of the baby's life. She needed that in writing because Larry
did exactly what Opri advised him against, he partnered up
with Howard. Mrs. Arthur supported Larry all the way.
He wanted and needed her support. But once he got that
certification that he was the father, he didn't even have the
decency to see to it that Virgie got to spend time with the
baby. Because of THAT uncivilized behavior Virgie had to
try to win the right to be with her grandchild by going to court.

I have to wonder what people are thinking in their vicious
attacks on a grieving mother, and grandmother, who was
not allowed to spend time with her grandchild. Due to Howard's
rage because Anna's mother suspected him in the deaths of
Anna and Daniel, he used Anna's funeral to insult Anna's mother.
When Virgie was supposed to see the child, he refused to let
her even approach the child. The only other time she saw the
child was what I am sure was a horrible hour, with Larry and
Howard standing there like two vultures. Mrs. Arthur had a right
to spend time with that child, and a right to be given the courtesy
of being assured of future participation as her grandmother.
This Larry refused to do from the time he was named the biological
father. I find this reprehensible. There is no excuse for Larry's
behavior. He allowed Howard to influence his behavior, and he
will no doubt regret that, and will someday remember putting Anna's
mother in a terrible position. Babies grow up. They want to see
their grandmothers. This baby may become a child who hates
the person who kept her from spending time with her grandmother
who by that time may be dead.

I supported Larry throughout. Mrs. Arthur supported him. Howard
kept Larry from his daughter for seven months. It would seem that
would have given Larry empathy for Mrs. Arthur. He took the low road.

Posted at 11:04PM on Apr 28th 2007 by Suzanne

6089. ANS had long and short term relationships with both men and women. It should come as no surprise if her associates were not heterosexual. Society has come to shock value and "in your face" disgusting with its actions. Everyone seems to want to go one worse in getting attention. Look at the idols media is promoting: Paris Hilton, Brittany Spears, Federline,etc.. For what? DWI, fighting, drugs, endless rehabs, endless marriages and divorces, law suits, car accidents, crass language and behavior, and the list goes on...It used to be that civility marked with manners was the desired... not any more! So, I will avoid the decedent behavior by ANS and her group. Who Larry or Howard was intimate with does not concern me. Of the two, I still think LB the better person for parenting DB; otherwords, I would have given this child to adoption because I don't think Howard,
Virgie, MS Gibson, etc., would do a decent job raising this infant. Shoot, the Marshall's might have done better!

Virgie's family: I know from your blogs you think highly of them and their rights. I don't dispute they have an interest in the child and should be given access until it is proven unwise. Still, if you look at Virgie's actions regarding family,herself, and her individual children, I think you would have to admit she did not provide the stability and guidance the family needed. No excuses. When she sent ANS away to live with her aunt because ANS reported she was being molested by Virgie's husband, I wonder why she did not keep her child and toss out the bum? From the time of her parent's divorce until she was in her 20s, ANS never saw Hogan her bio dad. Donna Hogan, the 1/2 sister writes a book about ANS??? Give me a break! Virgie has always been more interested in Virgie than she has her own children. Even in this case. ANS may have had her drugs but Virgie has her drink and bars... Neither show the responsibility needed to raise a child. Ask yourself: Would you want to live for 1`8 years with Virgie?

Virgie turned against LB when she demanded the right to the child; when she next demanded to be listed as next of kin for the child and the next administrator of the child's trust...; then when she asked the courts to not let LB have the child but to give the child back to HKS; and to not let the child leave the island because she feared LB would not return with Danni to the Bahamas...IF you were LB, would you not have been resentful of these actions???

LB did let Virgie see the child. It was after he had the DNA results. Prior to that time, HKS had "custody" of the child, not LB. He di assure her she would be given access to the child as a grandmother provided she did nto disrespect his role as the father. That is when she tried to block his taking Danni from the Bahamas. Wouldn't have mattered; the courts still had a say so on Danni leaving and will continue to do so until June. LB has to report into the courts regarding the child.

Opri was charging LB an outrageous fee for representation. She threw in the kitchen sink on her billing... Only LB and Opri know the advice and consult she gave to him. I won't answer because I don't have the facts, Suzanne. Supposedly, to the media, she stated she had warned LB about HKS; that is normal in a lawsuit, especially if on party thinks they can get more. LB wanted to move this a long without the terrible costs she was charging. He has the right to pick his own atty. and to change counsel...

LB and the media: This did surprised me that LB signed with NBC and Access Hollywood following the ANS funeral. This was against the advice of his atty. Maybe, he had heard about the bill the atty was preparing... The contract will end here shortly. I am more interested in HKS and LB possibly sharing a flight back to the states... that is tacky.

Grandparents: I raised my children with in-laws a mile away. My kids do not like their grandparents on the father's side. Their maternal grandmother lived 1800 miles away; they saw her twice in 25 years. There is no bitterness because there is no relationship.
There is no hatred from the kids regarding it. Do they miss it? According to the kids, no. Then again, we lived in an area where there were many seniors and I made sure the kids were polite, concerned, caring with our neighbors. They had many surrogate grandmas and grandpas and the relationships were healthy. My kids missed nothing in not having a grandmother parked on the doorstep; my mother had a long distance relationship and she missed having her g.kids near by. Would I have wanted her to have been closer? Mostly no; she was not a good parent to me, hence, I did not need her influence over my kids. Not all family relations are good and healthy. Children do need to be protected from unhealthy people. I don't think ANS felt her mother had protected her. Yet, ANS, while forgiving her mother, did not forget that Virgie was not capable of providing the security and protection for a child. She would have monitored the relationship if there had been one. After Daniel was 7 years old, how much interaction did Virgie have with him? Did she remember the child with cards and letters and little gifts? Phone calls? I don't know the relationship Virgie has with any of her grandkids; I don't think this child should have to make up for all the other grandkids or be the test bunny for all the missed opportunities in family relationships just so Virgie is happy. No test bunny here...

TC and have a good day!


Posted at 6:14AM on Apr 29th 2007 by Just Thinking

6090. I enjoyed your comments, and think we have to accept that we
are dealing with some people we really would have no interest in
knowing better. I know I wouldn't give the Sterns the time of day,
and think there is a lot more there than meets the eye. The sister
is a horrible person from all indications, and Howard - well, I think
everybody knows what Howard is, and so far nothing done
about it. We know nothing about his parents, and so far the only
one in that family appearing to be a decent person is the brother.
Maybe he is a half brother or step brother. We know nothing about
Larry's family, other than that he has a really nice sister, and his
twin brother didn't have the cosmetic surgery and doesn't color his
hair, so he doesn't really resemble Larry, and we know little about him.

I agree with much you said about Virgie, although you must admit
she did work all her life, is not a moocher nor a murderer, and it is very
likely since Anna thought she had hit the "big time" she felt she was
too good for her family, and she rejected them. Virgie was possibly
hurt and was too insecure, feeling she couldn't "pass muster" to
push for visits, which Howard forbade anyway. Since we know the
stepbrother story was just something TMZ spread like a fungus for
which the person responsible should be condemned, we can hardly
believe the stepfather story, either. Virgie and her first husband were
married before the respective parents met, so it isn't as though they
were family in the same house growing up as step sister and brother, and of course they weren't even related. People are so ignorant.
And, Virgie said in court that she sent Anna to her sister's because of
the bad company Anna got involved with in school. I am sure that
Virgie had a very hard struggle in her early life trying to rear her children
and provide a home for them, and she worked and earned a living.
Some people have confused her first husband's children with her
children. I honestly do not understand why throughout all this Virgie
has been researched and maligned to the extreme, and NOTHING
known or said about the others involved, and actual crimes are apparently overlooked.

I have a hard time having respect for the players. Most people have no
interest in any of them nor in the baby. I have a love for justice,
and a strong protective instinct for children. The fact that the baby
survived the heavy drugs before she was even born, and the unsafe
environment she was in for seven months, is a miracle in itself.

You and I are blessed with wonderful and good children. I thank God
for that, because I have friends who were good and devoted parents
who have had horrendous experiences with their children. I won't
elaborate, but when people write about how they would have done this
or that, and sound so self righteous, I feel like laughing out loud knowing
that when a child takes off in the wrong direction they will do what they
want to do, and nothing a parent can do will stop them. I am from
a privileged family with a wonderful childhood, and my sister made
my parents' lives miserable and she never stopped and is now a
burden to the children she abandoned. What I am saying here is
that sometimes people are born what they are.

Nobody's perfect, and Virgie had her faults, but she had a strong sense of duty, and she did her best for her children. She has been married over twenty years to her present husband, and Anna caused her nothing but
grief. How would you feel if two of your children, or a child and a
grandchild, were hooked up with a sinister person and suddenly
they both died in the presence of that person a few months apart?
Would you go there and fight for the baby, the only one remaining
of the three? Would you want to at least know you would have
access to know that baby was in safekeeping, and that you would
know that it was healthy and happy in the future? And would you
want the person you suspected to insult you and refuse to let you
see the baby, and for the world to constantly insult and ridicule you?
I know if it were me I would be there, and I would fight to protect
that child. Insofar as money is concerned, I would have no interest
in the Marshall money, but I would sure want to be sure that the
person responsible for all the pain and misery didn't get a penny,
nor to continue to confiscate what belonged to my daughter.

What a sad state of affairs. Anna surrounded herself with questionable
persons who were apparently unstable and who had few moral values.
I value good character and ethics, and that is what I would want for this
beautiful, innocent child.

I always thought it was a shame Ben Thompson couldn't be the father of
the child, and I also believe that Frederick would have been a
good father and would have provided a great and prestigious home,
and a happy and respectable life for the baby.

But, now we have this situation in which Larry appears to be weak,
petulant and disloyal to Virgie, who supported him. He has hooked up
with Howard Stern. Need I say more.

What is your take on the Inquest, which seems to be fading into
oblivion? So much for justice, there. At least Aruba, realizing how much in contempt they are held for their lack of fervor in apprehending and prosecuting the murderer of Holloway, have renewed their investigation.

Posted at 10:45AM on Apr 29th 2007 by Suzanne

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