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It All Looks So Ordinary -- But It Isn't

4/19/2007 4:02 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Take a look at these pictures of Kim Basinger and daughter Ireland, just two days after Alec Baldwin went ballistic on Ireland's voicemail.

The photos were taken on April 13th in Malibu. Kim seemed protective, putting her arm around her daughter, as they shopped for clothes.

TMZ obtained the incendiary voicemail message that triggered a courtroom battle. On Wednesday, after hearing the tape, a Los Angeles County court commissioner temporarily ordered that Baldwin have no contact with his daughter.

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76.

Tim    

What Alec said on the phone was wrong. He was exasperated.... it doesn't give him an excuse to behave that way. Parents make mistakes - this clearly is one of them. This doesn't mean that all his parental rights should be stripped. Give me a break. Kim: shame on you for using your daughter.

2641 days ago
77.

Lisa    

There is only so much the courts are able to do. Unfortunately,
women are still getting killed by stalking ex-husbands/boyfriends even after going through the legal system and getting restraining orders, etc. Kim had to work fast because today is the day Alec was to have visited his daughter who, I think is terrified of her dad's anger. I don't think Ireland is begging her mom to let her see her dad anytime soon. Do you???????? God bless and protect you Kim and your daughter. Why don't you find an undisclosed location to live in until Ireland is 18 years old (or older).

2641 days ago
78.

Puffy    

I think I can understand why Kim might look the other way if someone wanted to publish this tape. She was probably sick and tired of having to put up with comments and phone calls like this and may have thought by exposing his methods of communicating he will be more circumspect in the future.

I can't stand hearing comments like, "My parents kicked my butt and I turned out okay, or my parents talked to me like this every day and I turned out okay". My parents did both to me and I did turn out okay BUT, I would have been much more secure, confident and had a loving relationship with my parents as opposed to plain fear of them if they would have talked to me like a human being instead of treating us like their possessions to order around and use as they wished.

I don't understand what's wrong with talking to your kids like they are human beings rather than yelling and name calling. If that was my dad, I'd be begging my mother to make him stop calling me and scaring me.

2641 days ago
79.

TP    

Or better yet KIM: Why don't you just let Alec see his daughter at his appointed times and make sure he gets his phone calls - and all this will just go away.......................................................

2641 days ago
80.

Ardell    

I am fearful for this child. There is NO excuse for this verbal rampage. Alec is suppose to be the parent NOT a screaming adolescent. He has a responsibility to set an example for his dauther regardless of the situation he and his ex wife have created. The courts need to keep this man away from his daughter FOREVER.

2641 days ago
81.

Melissa    

No one knows who released the tape. Everyone knows court orders and files are released all the time to TMZ and other organizations. I am thrilled that it came out. It finally shows what Kim has been trying to get across all along. I respect the fact that she has fought to keep her daughter safe. All of you slamming her should do some research. Read up on all the people that have accused Alec Baldwin as terrifying or have said that he blows up on the set and freaks out on people. Look up the pictures of him screaming and grabbing Kim Basinger as she cried- 90's tabloid shots. I will never forgot those pictures and I have hated Baldwin every since. He is an abuser and now maybe people understand how dangerous he is. If that is what he is like over the phone God knows what he is like when gets in a rage in person with her.

2641 days ago
82.

maxine    

I hope that Ireland can heal from her mother trying to alienate her from her father for most of her life.

2641 days ago
83.

3.14    

No paid blogger here!
I just think its horrible! Ireland is 11, so what, she is a grown young lady not a baby! or little child she is a young lady that can form words and behaviors and understands what is going on around her! stop acting like she is a young child i am sure she knows much more than we give her credit for ....come on shes practically a teenager! jeeze!
To Kim and ALec I am sure she is wondering if you two know the definition of being an Adult and a Parent or even a human being! Someone please look it up and define it!
PEACE!

2641 days ago
84.

fan    

Here we go with some" political correct " advise on how to raise a child. Everyone knows more about it then the parents involved. It was my father's loudness "anger" that kept us kids in line and from stepping over the respect line.
I suspect the mother was waiting for this message in order to use it and even provoking. Who better then her to know the buttons to push.
Why is it even on the news, every channel this morning!? It's none of our business, but since it's out there I will comment..?
Yea it hit a nerve.

2641 days ago
85.

Carla    

This is what Kim B is doing to Alex B through their child....very shameful.

PARENTAL ALIENATION:

To prevent the devastating effects of Parental Alienation, you must begin by recognizing the symptoms of PA. You will notice that many of the symptoms or behaviors focus on the parent. When the child exhibits hatred and vilifies the targeted parent, then the condition becomes parental alienation syndrome. After reading the list, don't get discouraged when you notice that some of your own behaviors have been alienating. This is normal in even the best of parents. Instead, let the list help sensitize you to how you are behaving and what you are saying to your children.

1. Giving children choices when they have no choice about visits. Allowing the child to decide for themselves to visit when the court order says there is no choice sets up the child for conflict. The child will usually blame the non-residential parent for not being able to decide to choose whether or not to visit. The parent is now victimized regardless of what happens; not being able to see his children or if he sees them, the children are angry.
2. Telling the child "everything" about the marital relationship or reasons for the divorce is alienating. The parent usually argues that they are "just wanting to be honest" with their children. This practice is destructive and painful for the child. The alienating parent's motive is for the child to think less of the other parent.

3. Refusing to acknowledge that children have property and may want to transport their possessions between residences.

4. Resisting or refusing to cooperate by not allowing the other parent access to school or medical records and schedules of extracurricular activities.

5. A parent blaming the other parent for financial problems, breaking up the family, changes in lifestyle, or having a girlfriend/boyfriend, etc.

6. Refusing to be flexible with the visitation schedule in order to respond to the child's needs. The alienating parent may also schedule the children in so many activities that the other parent is never given the time to visit. Of course, when the targeted parent protests, they are described as not caring and selfish.

7. Assuming that if a parent had been physically abusive with the other parent, it follows that the parent will assault the child. This assumption is not always true.

8. Asking the child to choose one parent over another parent causes the child considerable distress. Typically, they do not want to reject a parent, but instead want to avoid the issue. The child, not the parent, should initiate any suggestion for change of residence.

9. Children will become angry with a parent. This is normal, particularly if the parent disciplines or has to say "no". If for any reason the anger is not allowed to heal, you can suspect parental alienation. Trust your own experience as a parent. Children will forgive and want to be forgiven if given a chance. Be very suspicious when the child calmly says they cannot remember any happy times with you or say anything they like about you.

10. Be suspicious when a parent or stepparent raises the question about changing the child's name or suggests an adoption.

11. When children cannot give reasons for being angry towards a parent or their reasons are very vague without any details.

12. A parent having secrets, special signals, a private rendezvous, or words with special meanings are very destructive and reinforce an on-going alienation.

13. When a parent uses a child to spy or covertly gather information for the parent's own use, the child receives a damaging message that demeans the victimized parent.

14. Parents setting up temptations that interfere with the child's visitation.

15. A parent suggesting or reacting with hurt or sadness to their child having a good time with the other parent will cause the child to withdraw and not communicate. They will frequently feel guilty or conflicted not knowing that it's "okay" to have fun with their other parent.

16. The parent asking the child about his/her other parent's personal life causes the child considerable tension and conflict. Children who are not alienated want to be loyal to both parents.

17. When parents physically or psychologically rescue the children when there is no threat to their safety. This practice reinforces in the child's mind the illusion of threat or danger, thereby reinforcing alienation.

18. Making demands on the other parent that is contrary to court orders.

19. Listening in on the children's phone conversation they are having with the other parent.

20. One way to cause your own alienation is making a habit of breaking promises to your children. In time, your ex-spouse will get tired of having to make excuses for you.

2641 days ago
86.

Jada    

Both parents have alot to learn. If there are court ordered set times that Ireland is supposed to talk to her father then KIM should make sure she is there. The kid is 11 years old and needs to be told to be there. Alec should NEVER yell at her like that. I understand he is fustrated (and IMO rightfully so), but he needs to suck it up and deal with his daughter in a better way. No matter what his reasons are for it bottom line is that he is destroying any relationship he has with her. He needs to take the high road and let Kim stay on the low road. As Ireland grows up she will realize what has gone on.

Kim is like many woman. She thinks that once the kid pops out it is her property and when she decides that she doesn't want to share then she plays stupid games that only hurt the kid (I am a woman, so don't start with the "how could you say that" crap). I have seen many women play that game and the guys end up having to fight for every second they get with their kid. The mom's play the "she can't come to your house this weekend because she is sick" when the kid may have a cough at most. A child IS NOT PROPERTY and the sooner people realize that the better. Once you open your legs and accept the semen in then you do not have the right to keep a father from his child just because you decide later that you don't want to share.

Alec is an ass, but Kim is a manuplitave bitch who uses her daughter as a weapon on a regular basis. I think the judge should take custody from her and give it to Alec. Then see how Kim likes it when Ireland isn't there for court order phone calls, when visitation is denied because of a fake illness, etc. She would lose it quickly and I have no doubts she would do the same or worse than Alec.

2641 days ago
87.

who cares?    

isn't there any more important news in the world than this, pathetic

2641 days ago
88.

Carla    

This is what Kim B is doing to Alex B through their child....very shameful

PARENTAL ALIENATION:

To prevent the devastating effects of Parental Alienation, you must begin by recognizing the symptoms of PA. You will notice that many of the symptoms or behaviors focus on the parent. When the child exhibits hatred and vilifies the targeted parent, then the condition becomes parental alienation syndrome. After reading the list, don't get discouraged when you notice that some of your own behaviors have been alienating. This is normal in even the best of parents. Instead, let the list help sensitize you to how you are behaving and what you are saying to your children.

1. Giving children choices when they have no choice about visits. Allowing the child to decide for themselves to visit when the court order says there is no choice sets up the child for conflict. The child will usually blame the non-residential parent for not being able to decide to choose whether or not to visit. The parent is now victimized regardless of what happens; not being able to see his children or if he sees them, the children are angry.
2. Telling the child "everything" about the marital relationship or reasons for the divorce is alienating. The parent usually argues that they are "just wanting to be honest" with their children. This practice is destructive and painful for the child. The alienating parent's motive is for the child to think less of the other parent.

3. Refusing to acknowledge that children have property and may want to transport their possessions between residences.

4. Resisting or refusing to cooperate by not allowing the other parent access to school or medical records and schedules of extracurricular activities.

5. A parent blaming the other parent for financial problems, breaking up the family, changes in lifestyle, or having a girlfriend/boyfriend, etc.

6. Refusing to be flexible with the visitation schedule in order to respond to the child's needs. The alienating parent may also schedule the children in so many activities that the other parent is never given the time to visit. Of course, when the targeted parent protests, they are described as not caring and selfish.

7. Assuming that if a parent had been physically abusive with the other parent, it follows that the parent will assault the child. This assumption is not always true.

8. Asking the child to choose one parent over another parent causes the child considerable distress. Typically, they do not want to reject a parent, but instead want to avoid the issue. The child, not the parent, should initiate any suggestion for change of residence.

9. Children will become angry with a parent. This is normal, particularly if the parent disciplines or has to say "no". If for any reason the anger is not allowed to heal, you can suspect parental alienation. Trust your own experience as a parent. Children will forgive and want to be forgiven if given a chance. Be very suspicious when the child calmly says they cannot remember any happy times with you or say anything they like about you.

10. Be suspicious when a parent or stepparent raises the question about changing the child's name or suggests an adoption.

11. When children cannot give reasons for being angry towards a parent or their reasons are very vague without any details.

12. A parent having secrets, special signals, a private rendezvous, or words with special meanings are very destructive and reinforce an on-going alienation.

13. When a parent uses a child to spy or covertly gather information for the parent's own use, the child receives a damaging message that demeans the victimized parent.

14. Parents setting up temptations that interfere with the child's visitation.

15. A parent suggesting or reacting with hurt or sadness to their child having a good time with the other parent will cause the child to withdraw and not communicate. They will frequently feel guilty or conflicted not knowing that it's "okay" to have fun with their other parent.

16. The parent asking the child about his/her other parent's personal life causes the child considerable tension and conflict. Children who are not alienated want to be loyal to both parents.

17. When parents physically or psychologically rescue the children when there is no threat to their safety. This practice reinforces in the child's mind the illusion of threat or danger, thereby reinforcing alienation.

18. Making demands on the other parent that is contrary to court orders.

19. Listening in on the children's phone conversation they are having with the other parent.

20. One way to cause your own alienation is making a habit of breaking promises to your children. In time, your ex-spouse will get tired of having to make excuses for you.

2641 days ago
89.

DonnaW    

He sounds frustrated by his helplessness, his lack of access to his daughter, and the manipulation of the situation by his ex. The term for it is Parental Alienation Syndrome. His ex is behind it, the daughter is complicit but unaware, and the father is, like millions in his situation are, behaving badly because they're fed up.

2641 days ago
90.

Larysa    

All I could hear is his anger. Let's put this into context. lreland didn't answer the phone. She might have been in the bathroom, or the forgot the phone or lost it or been on the phone with someone else, or the battery ran out of juice. There are all sorts of reasons why a kid would or could not answer the phone. That is why we have voicemail. For him to overreact is clearly an indication of who he is. I was scared at the tone of the threats that he spewed on that little girl. When you are a parent it should be about what is good for the children. Apparently Alex puts himself first. Maybe Kim leaked this bit of candid revelation to show the world just who she has been dealing with. So many men get away with abuse. Alex is going to have to face his anger demons if he cares about his child... ALEX ... GET HELP!!!!

2641 days ago
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