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New Graves in Manson Case -- Can You Dig It?

3/16/2008 9:02 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Charlie Manson and his hypnotized hippies have been locked up for decades, but there's a pretty shocking new development -- with the help of an eccentric prospector, authorities may have found hidden gravesites with other victims.

Location: Barker Ranch, in Death Valley National Park, CA, one of the secret places the Manson Family hid out during the late 60's. The prospector, Emmett Harder, who had dinner with Manson and the girls from time to time, led the search for graves. He guided lab researchers, an anthropologist and a cadaver-seeking dog to detect chemical markers of human remains.

Why the Big Deal: While awaiting trial, Family chick Susan Atkins told her cell mate there were "three people out in the desert that they done in." There were always rumors that the killing clan did in hitchhikers and runaways, none of whom were ever found.

What They Found
: During the hunt, the dog suddenly laid down, quivered with his ears upright and began whining. One of the investigators used an instrument that can chemically detect buried human remains -- it began beeping at regular intervals, and as it approached the ground the beeping became a steady stream of sound. Authorities say they need to do more testing, but they may have found two grave sites and possibly an additional one.

Implications for Charlie and the Chicks (and Tex)
: Even if there are bodies, it's gonna be hard to pin it on the Family and particularly specific members. But you never know, especially if someone rats someone else out. With parole a possibility, it's not just at theoretical proposition.

Stay tuned.

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31.

Peter    

They are already doing life in jail so why waste more time and money on a new trial when you can use it to prosecute other criminals

2355 days ago
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showgirl    

How darn you post 8:56 post even say leave them along! What they did was awful. Do you even know what they did??

2355 days ago
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1tequila2    

Manson will never see life outside of a prison. He has even pleaded with parole officers to not let him out, because he can't live on the outside. His interviews are comical. As far as the girls go, it's easy to pass judgement. Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwickle have proven that they are changed inside prison. I believe in second chances. These were young women who were under the influence of LSD in a far diifferent time .Both have earned 2 college degrees inside prison and are tutors, as well as drug and alcohol counselors. Both have been in jail longer than most murderers; their connection to Manson has kept them there. None of us can imagine 35+ years in prison. At some point we have to believe that people CAN change; this crime not only hurt the families of victims but America as well. The families have been upset for years, understandably; but sometimes forgiveness is a part of the healing process. No one knows what a "debt to societ" is. We use jail time to define it now. Let them work in their professions and pay taxes, We need to get over the anger and prove that people CAN change. Both have had extensive psychological exams and proven to be little to no harm to society; both are nearly 60 years old. We all did things at a young age that we wish we could take back. DId you?

2355 days ago
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showgirl    

Post 9:43, bring back the death penalty. Don't waste time on these people, it 's a waste of time for everyone!

2355 days ago
35.

me    

I never thought of cutting someones baby out of their belly...........

nope......dont think i could give that kind of crime a second chance....

2355 days ago
36.

user name here    

There is no way they would be able to tie these dead people to anyone, let alone Manson. They can't tell when or how they died, most likely. Let's say Manson or his followers DID kill them and they could prove it. They still wouldn't get the death penalty. It goes by the laws when the crime took place, not by the laws when they are prosecuted. There's no point in trying to find out what happened and who did it, but I do agree that they should try to identify the remains.

2355 days ago
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showgirl    

Post 9:51, NO, the girls did awful things, they killed people, awful killings....ugh. Let's not forget that!!I don't care if they got college degrees while in prison. I would not let them out of prison ever!!! So they got their college degree on my tax payers money while in prison...think again what you say. They murdered innocent people in an awful way. Check out the Sharon Tate murders and see what they did...then we'll talk again.

2355 days ago
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Sarelda    

I don't see any of them ever getting out. Why would we give them more publicity and cause more tax dollars to be spent on them? It's a waste of time.

I hope the families of the missing people found will now have peace knowing where their loved ones are, and would'nt want this after all this time.

2355 days ago
39.

Erica    

Screw wasting more taxpayers money on this old heap of garbage. The whole lot of them should have been fried 20+ years ago. It's sick that we have to pay to keep them alive and incarcerated at all. I hope they all smoke and that the prison system provides them with a carton a day. Maybe that will speed up the process.

2355 days ago
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showgirl    

Yes they are all a heap of garbage, excellent choice of words.

2355 days ago
41.

Huh?    

MANSON should be the poster child to bring back the death penalty in Cal. Frying, hanging or poisoning are too kind for him. Just gut him open like a fish and let him bleed to death just like they did to Sharon Tate and her unborn baby.

2355 days ago
42.

Erica    

1tequila2 - I have a hard time forgiving or accepting that someone who could execute a pregnant woman and and mutilate the body the way Charlies girls did can change. This isn't taking a drunken joy ride. This was serial killing and hunting human beings. To bad and So sad that they are now old ladies in prison, they shouldn't even be breathing any longer for what they did.

2355 days ago
43.

chuck    

Sharon Tates' husband, the film director Roman Polanski, directed the movie "Tess" years after she died. The movie is a very heart-wrenching romantic story of love and tragic loss. I was stunned at the very opening because before you see anything the words come across the screen "In memory of my darling wife Sharon Tate". I'm sorry if the years have dulled my memory of the exact quote but it drew gasps and tears from the audience even years after her death. The movie was originally aired in spoken Irish with sub-titles. The for rent versions I've seen are in English dubbed over. It loses some impact when not on the big screen and believe it or not the subtitles were just fine. The movie is long but it really grabs you and holds you. If you get up to hit the fridge you might miss some key dialogue or events. The cinematography was so beautiful. As I recall it was shot on location in Ireland. I think it was either nominated for or did win an Oscar for cinematography. Check it out it's worth the time and if you have never seen pictures of Sharon Tate look them up because she was one of the most beautiful women of her time.

2355 days ago
44.

trish    

HELTER SKELTER

2355 days ago
45.

ChuckyDee    

It would be entertaining to watch a new Charlie Manson Trial.

2355 days ago
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