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Kirk Cameron

Plays the Hitler Card

9/22/2009 6:10 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Evangelical actor Kirk Cameron is on a serious crusade against Charles Darwin -- connecting the scientist's most famous and significant work to Adolf Hitler.

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To commemorate the upcoming 150th anniversary of Darwin's "Origin of Species" -- Kirk has released a 6-minute long video on his evangelical website bashing Darwin's book along with C.D.'s famous theory of evolution.

In the video attack -- which Kirk made to promote the release of a reworked, creationist edition of "Origin of Species" -- Kirk essentially calls Darwin a racist, a woman-hater and claims Darwin's theory has an "undeniable connection" with Hitler.

But it gets better -- Kirk claims he will be embarking on a college tour, in the hopes of infiltrating the minds of America's future "lawyers, doctors and politicians."

To quote Kirk, "These students aren't stupid."

Let's hope not.

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you people are sick    

This guy scares the crap out of me. Delusional activist... the worst kind. Thank dog that atheists are coming out of the closet!!

1819 days ago
32.

TheWillOfGod    

Comalitej:

You and your endless rants are obtuse to say the least.

Let me summarize our discussions in 2 parts.

1) You assume the imperfections of living organisms as proof that there is no God. Your reason is that He is presumed to be omnipotent and therefore His creations cannot be flawed.

2) I proposed that there are supernatural phenomenon on earth. You have yet to intelligently address this.

A) Prayers heal people (San Francisco General Hospital)
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/smj1.html

B) Prayers change the brain structure of people who are prayed for (North Hawaii Community Hospital)
http://www.earlbakken.com/content/involvement/spirituality.research.pdf

C) Prayers change the brain structure of the prayer himself (University of Wisconsin):
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma8/monkstudy.html

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I’ll attempt to address 1) -- again. The world is imperfect. There are wars and famine. And living organisms are imperfect. Your Vitamin C example is just one of countless things that is problematic. But why?

The issue is CHOICE. God is omnipotent and omniscient. But this actually deprives Him of choice. In economics, choice is required when there is scarcity. If you have infinite amounts of apples and oranges, why choose? If you are omnipotent, there are no problems to solve. In fact, you have absolutely nothing to do. You just exist. Ancient scholars call this the God paradox.

To overcome this, God created our universe, where there are challenges to be met, choices to be made, and problems to be solved. How can one do these things if the world, and all the living beings in it, are perfect with limitless abundance?

By sending His own son to suffer with us on earth, He has overcome the paradoxical prison that is His omnipotence. In essence, He is super- omnipotent. God is Great!

1819 days ago
33.

comalitej    

@TheWillOfGod #661: “You assume the imperfections of living organisms as proof that there is no God. Your reason is that He is presumed to be omnipotent and therefore His creations cannot be flawed.”

Bzzzt! Wrong! You completely missed the point. What I showed was SPECIFIC flaws which COULD NOT HAPPEN ANY OTHER WAY than by EVOLUTION through COMMON DESCENT from a COMMON ANCESTOR. Unless, that is, God is DELIBERATELY making evolution LOOK true, to, what, FOOL us into BELIEVING it so we'll be DAMNED!? That’s the ONLY other explanation! Satan can’t be to blame, since he didn’t create anything!

The Vitamin C thing, the upside-down retinas, etc. etc. etc., are just the tip of the iceberg. There are THOUSANDS of such traits, in humans and other animals, and they ALL EXACTLY MATCH what would be expected if evolution were true, right down to the PRECISE amount of differences in the DNA EXACTLY MATCHING the evidence of the fossil record, which would, if evolution weren't true, be COMPLETELY UNRELATED! NONE of them is what would be considered a GOOD DESIGN!

The odds of ALL of this being by ANY other means than Neo-Darwinian-style evolution are so vast as to be unimaginable. Remember the handprint on the window thing I mentioned earlier? That was JUST for the Vitamin C / GULO / GULOP! For ALL of them to work out as they do, it would be like having two CITIES of people on the planet, in two different nations, with two different ethnicities of people, yet the two cities have populations of the same size (both in the tens of thousands at least), and every person in either city has a person in the other city with ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL fingerprints, even though otherwise they don’t look alike!

You simply have NO IDEA how much evidence backs up Neo-Darwinian evolution. It's far, FAR beyond just the fossil record anymore!

I already addressed your first study. It was flawed, and not properly double-blinded (note: you can NOT take the word of a researcher that his or her own study is properly blinded — to be scientifically acceptable, this MUST be verified by OTHER trained researchers and observers NOT CONNECTED to the study nor to anyone nor any organization involved in it).

I addressed the third one: it's not even prayer of any kind, let alone Christian prayer. Meditation ≠ prayer. And are you saying that Buddhism is the true religion? I have not read the second one yet, but from references in the third it looks to be the same sort of thing: neuroplasticity, which is nothing supernatural and simply how things like “muscle memory” works. The experiment in your third link was to show that it can happen through sheer internal mental effort (meditation), not just from physical senses and feedback (e.g. constantly practicing arpeggios on a piano). It was NOT about proving anything about prayer.

Furthermore, there have been other studies at LEAST as valid as your first one that show the 180° exact OPPOSITE, namely, that prayer doesn’t do DIDDLY SQUAT.

Your attempt to explain the Vitamin C thing as “choice” FAILS. You really expect us to believe that, WITHOUT ANY PLAN FROM GOD (who did NOT want Adam and Eve to eat the Fruit [though you have yet to explain WHY HE CREATED THE TREE were that the case!]), that the GULO genes in EVERY CELL (two in each) in TRILLIONS of cells in EACH haplorhinni primate in the Garden and elsewhere on the planet, including the two humans, but ONLY them, SUDDENLY turned into a GULOP PSEUDOgene, differing in slight ways EXACTLY by how closely SCIENCE says that they're related to each other, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE, and that all of this happened INSTANTLY (along with every retinal cell in the eyeballs of every land animal on the planet, but NOT the octopus species, FLIPPING UPSIDE-DOWN and THREADING their nerves and blood vessels around each other to meet at the Blind Spot, among NUMEROUS other such things!) when Eve bit into the Fruit!?

On your God Paradox, remember that God is supposedly ETERNAL, in BOTH DIRECTIONS! Past AND Future! So, according to you, He spent ETERNITY doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and then one day just DECIDED to create everything, except that, oh, darn, He already KNEW that He was going to do so all the way back to, well, FOREVER, and EXACTLY how it was all going to turn out!?

And you still haven’t explained WHY He sent His Son to be TORTURED TO DEATH, when all He had to do was CHANGE HIS OWN “the wages of sin are death” RULE! Was He INCAPABLE of doing so? Then He’s not God!

1819 days ago
34.

PASSION OF THE TAINT    

I love it!!! TMZ you need to post that creepy Joyce Meyer's next…
These comments are hilarious!!!

This stupid battle will go on forever!!!

Just because not one fu#king human knows what’s going to happen when we die…

But all you fanatical retards have the right answers!!! Right!

You’re all embarrassing yourselves…

If you Douche Bags kept your beliefs to yourselves, this world would be like heaven!

THIS WAR IS STILL GOING ON AND WHY?

There is a god?

There is no god?

My god is better than your god...

Jesus Christ is the retelling of the Horus Myth?

Life began with the big bang?

Adam made a big bang in Eve?

It's my land because god said so...

If he said he was the Son of God, he must be…

What is this stupid tailbone for?

Why do some people look and act like primates?

Aliens from space genetically put us here…

People like you...

And so on…

Me, I believe in I DON’T FU#KING KNOW!!!

Why waste your time arguing about it!

Everyone has to make their own point just to show they are so important on this earth, so this is mine… Ha Ha

Making heaven on earth now is the answer! If there is more GREAT! If not, we will never know!


Kirk Cameron will die for our sins…


OK, now you can attack me...

1819 days ago
35.

PASSION OF THE TAINT    

I love it!!! TMZ you need to post that creepy Joyce Meyer's next…
These comments are hilarious!!!

This stupid battle will go on forever!!!

Just because not one fu#king human knows what’s going to happen when we die…

But all you fanatical retards have the right answers!!! Right!

You’re all embarrassing yourselves…

If you Douche Bags kept your beliefs to yourselves, this world would be like heaven!

THIS WAR IS STILL GOING ON AND WHY?

There is a god?

There is no god?

My god is better than your god...

Jesus Christ is the retelling of the Horus Myth?

Life began with the big bang?

Adam made a big bang in Eve?

It's my land because god said so...

If he said he was the Son of God, he must be…

What is this stupid tailbone for?

Why do some people look and act like primates?

Aliens from space genetically put us here…

People like you...

And so on…

Me, I believe in I DON’T FU#KING KNOW!!!

Why waste your time arguing about it!

Everyone has to make their own point just to show they are so important on this earth, so this is mine… Ha Ha

Making heaven on earth now is the answer! If there is more GREAT! If not, we will never know!


Kirk Cameron will die for our sins…


OK, now you can attack me...

1819 days ago
36.

Paparazzo@frog.cc    

Holy sh*t. This blog has been alive for over 185 hours! I'm getting a bit tired of it....But...

1819 days ago
37.

Paparazzo@frog.cc    

Hi, I'm Satan. God don't exist, dude.

1819 days ago
38.

PASSION OF THE TAINT    

Holy sh*t. I keep on posting comments, because i have no life.

I need to go poop, but I will be right back.

#665 is a impostor

1819 days ago
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Paparazzo@frog.cc    

667 is an imposter!

1819 days ago
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Paparazzo@frog.cc    

Throughout history, 99.9% of rabbis are married. But why wasn't Jesus married?

There's a reason, 12 hot hunky reasons. And one of them screwed him in the 'end'.

1819 days ago
41.

NBR1MJFan    

The blood sacrifies that you speak of were a reminder for the Israelites that it would take a perfect and unblemished creature to atone for their sins…they could not do it themselves. That ritual is in direct opposition to works. Works are done because you want to follow Jesus’ example and because you want to live a life pleasing to God. A lot of people deem themselves “good” and that should be good enough to qualify them for heaven or they do good things for people…but this is not the case. Only a perfect sacrifice can qualify us for that. Only having accepted Christ, whose blood alone is able to cover the stain of sin off your life, is the way. God is unable to deal with us in our sinful nature because He is holy. Christ took our punishment for us, which is eternal damnation. We cannot even stand in the presence of God in our sinful nature…we would die instantly. This is the reason why God had Moses hide in the rock and wait until he passed by.

If Adam had not followed Eve then he would have been able to rectify the situation. God had given Adam dominion (Kingship) over the Earth…once he ate the fruit, he gave his Kingdom (Throne) to Satan or Lucifer. God was “training” Adam…He didn’t leave him unknowledgeable. He would walk with him in the cool mist of the day. Satan knew he could beguile Eve. God made Eve especially for Adam and Adam knew this. He knew if he did not eat, he would be alienated from Eve eternally probably unaware that he himself could have rectified the situation if he had stayed true. He chose to suffer. God did not lie to Adam or Eve, he told them that they would die, he did not mean that very same day. And God especially cursed Eve for leading Adam astray…one of the main things that he told her (which people misread) is that Eve would always want to lord over Adam and there would be an internal struggle within the family unit. Let’s not even go into the whole childbirth thing.

God made the first Adam a living soul and the last Adam a quickening Spirit (He is the living God). In this Jesus in the end, legitimately took ownership away from Satan who stole it away from Adam.

God could not step in Himself because His nature, his laws, his ways are sovereign. God rules have not changed. He had to send another PERFECT human who was just as equal to him to right Adam’s wrong (because Adam and Eve were perfect). He sent Jesus in the form of a human. But don’t get it twisted because Jesus came willingly. If God could have simply corrected the mistake, there would be no need to send Him. When you said that God spoke and said they have became one of us, He was not talking to Satan, He was talking to Jesus. Jesus has always been there with God. Thus the Holy Trinity…Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

I do like your analogy very much. It makes me think about my own kids and in raising them simply you cannot keep everything from harming them but you try. Take this analogy for example, as a mother who likes a clean home, I have certain products in my house that I clean with….I know in order to have a clean home, I have to have these products. I tell my children not to bother these things under the sink…leave them alone because they will make you sick. I have never had to put any products up in the top cabinets or have those child-proof locks on my cabinets because my kids understand that I will get them very good. I keep rubbing alcohol and vitamins and medicines under my bathroom sink. I have a six-year old son but he’s not crazy and he understands clearly the consequences. But that doesn’t mean he won’t try me in other areas. Well, I am leaving now. Long day and I did not get to address everything but maybe later.

God is still a loving and good God even though I see you think he has been unfair.

1818 days ago
42.

comalitej    

@God Loves,Jesus Saves #670, when replying to someone you should mention them by name so that they know about it. I didn’t realize that your post was addressed to me until you mentioned the analogy.

You misunderstand me. I don’t think that God has been unfair. I think that the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible simply doesn’t EXIST, and that the whole thing is balderdash. And I can prove it. What I’ve posted so far (go back to page 39 and read actual posts from me [not the obvious imposter]) is only scratching the surface.

The God of the Bible is actually an amalgam at least two gods worshipped by the Israelites at various times. One of them is even Ba’al (aka Elohim, aka simply “God” when the Old Testament uses that word in the absence of “the LORD”)! After the Babylonian Captivity, under Ezra, when the Jews returned (and even that’s debatable) to Jersualem to rebuild the Temple, several versions of their scriptures were brought together and combined (many believe that Ezra himself lead this effort) into one, which we know of as the Old Testament today.

This is why, for instance, the Noah story tells everything twice, with differences. God tells Noah to bring two of EVERY kind of animal, male and female, onto the Ark (Genesis 6:19–20 & 7:9). No, wait, the LORD tells Noah to bring two of every UNclean animal and SEVEN (or seven PAIRS — the wording is unclear here) of every CLEAN animal and of every kind of bird (7:2–3,8)! Never mind that the whole distinction between “clean” and “unclean” animals wouldn’t even be revealed until the Mosaic Law [specifically, Leviticus Chapter 11] well over a millennium later!

Afterwards, God decides never to flood the Earth again, and puts His BOW (as in “and ARROW” — a giant glowing gay-colored PHYSICAL WEAPON and NOT some optical effect of white sunlight passing through water droplets and being diffracted into some spectrum of colors like those EEEVuhl scientifical intellectuals would say, as if white weren't a color in its own right like the Bible clearly says! [Of course, the fact that you’re reading this BLACK text on a PALE BLUE background on a WHITE page on a monitor made entirely of Red, Green, and Blue phosphor dots or LCD cells, well, that must be a Satanic illusion, too, just like those extra two legs on insects {Leviticus 11:20–23} — ditto any color photographs you see, whether printed by inkjet, color laser, in magazines from printing presses, or actual photographic print, since that evil science says that all of those colors you see are just three or four: Yellow, Magenta, Cyan, and optionally Black for extra contrast and color fringe-free black text!] All those rainbows you see NOT in the cloud [e.g. in waterfalls, lawn sprinkler and garden hose sprays, cast by prisms or gemstones or chandeliers, the underside of music or computer CDs, etc. etc. etc. must all be Satanic illusions since God only said that He was placing His BOW in the CLOUD — NOWHERE ELSE! Ditto those times you see TWO rainbows, with the second being somewhat larger in diameter, twice as thick, ½ as bright, and with the order of the colors reversed; and also the reflection rainbows seen near bodies of water because the sun is being reflected, why, those also must be Satanic illusions, since God said His BOW, •SINGULAR• — NOT BOWS, •PLURAL•! He only had the one [one wonders what He used it for? Shooting curse arrows at people with? Maybe He should’ve kept it to increase His accuracy instead of just tossing them with His hand like spears, so He wouldn’t’ve missed that evil gay homosexual dude back in the 1980s and hit poor young hemophiliac Ryan White by mistake instead with that AIDS curse arrow, huh?], and let’s not forget that when really high up [e.g. on a mountain or in an airplane] and looking DOWN at a cloud, rainbows are often FULL CIRCLES! THOSE must be Satanic illusions, too, since God did NOT say that He was placing His HULA-HOOP™ in the cloud!) in the cloud as a giant Post-It™ Note to remind His apparently not-so-perfect memory never to flood the Earth again (9:8–17).

No, wait, Noah builds an altar and sacrifices one of every kind of clean beast and bird, and the LORD smells the sweet savor smoke and is soothed by it and THEN promises never to flood the Earth again (8:20-22)!

What happened here is that there are TWO versions of the Noah story, and Ezra or someone under him wove them together into the version we have now. One of them was from the Elohim aka Baal worshipers, and the other from the YHWH worshipers. Separate them out and you wind up with two complete and internally consistent stories (though still woefully inconsistent with reality, physics, logistics, etc., at least each story doesn’t contradict ITSELF like the current interwoven mishmash

1818 days ago
43.

PASSION OF THE TAINT    

If I was born on a deserted island and never heard of Jesus and religion, I know I am stupid enough to create a god friend.

I will call him Mr. Hankey the island poo…

1818 days ago
44.

PASSION OF THE TAINT    

Hi GodLoves,JesusSaves

Only children and retarded people still believe in Adam and Eve... REALLY... Adam and Eve?

It's like saying: I believe that Bobby Brown never smoked crack with Whitney...

It's a scientific fact that Humans have been here longer than 160,000 years... explain that you holy douche worrier...
I think i learned that in 6 grade...


Do you believe in Santa?

I love you Kirk... Look what you started on this wonderful TMZ.



1818 days ago
45.

NBR1MJFan    

Comalitej,

I will go back and read your comments later and reply. Also I was in a rush and didn't put your name.

The other things below your comment (672) I will not dignify because whoever made that post is not me (especially at 3am in the morning!...LOL).

And as for the other person(673)...thanks for the compliment but I'll pass on the dialogue.

1818 days ago
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