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Daniel's Death Officially Ruled Accidental

3/31/2008 1:47 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

A jury in the Bahamas investigating the death of Anna Nicole Smith's son Daniel has ruled it was caused by an accidental drug overdose, recommending no criminal charges be filed.


This verdict is huge because of what the jury didn't say -- that Howard K was responsible for the death.

The jury unanimously concluded Daniel died from "non-dependent drug use" -- meaning he wasn't addicted to what killed him.

Story developing ...

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31.

Only swim in the Ocean    

4896. 4889. Or, just drop it; the rest of us know the sources as discussed during the Inquest.

Posted at 2:47PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean

HUH?

Posted at 2:55PM on May 13th 2008 by Dink

I guess I should elaborate---LOL

What are "the sources as discussed during the inquest"? You KNOW the source? Could you explain that statement?

Posted at 4:57PM on May 13th 2008 by Dink
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My question was based on the fact that McC/VA and their ardent bloggers bragged they had inside sources to report the 'truth' about the Inquest proceedings. So, where are their 'reports'? Do these 'insiders' support or deny the tone of the Inquest proceedings? Why constantly ask pro-HKS bloggers the same old question about the source of Daniel's methadone when you must know the answer already. What's the deal here?

2166 days ago
32.

Dink    

Swims~~~You clearly said that the "rest of us know the sources".......my question is not about what anyone said by YOU. Are you implying that you know the source of the metadone that killed Daniel? I am not getting into the stupid "he said, she said" nonesense......YOU made a statement and I am asking you to explain YOUR statement.......you know full well that regardless of what anyone says on the blogs...no one knows the source of the methadone.....but you implied that "the rest of us" do. Not talking about O'Quinn, not talking about Virgie, McCabe, any other bloggers and what they may have said.....I am asking YOU to explain what YOU said

2166 days ago
33.

Random Thots    

4885. 4885. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1536410_20015926,00.html

Posted at 12:55PM on May 13th 2008 by An old article
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Quite a trip down memory lane, particularly this passage in the article:

"The records also show that Stern left the room a few hours before Daniel died. A nurse places him out of the room at 4 a.m. Nurse Odumade Adenike noted that sometime after 2 a.m. Stern went to the nursing station and asked what restaurants were open – despite having already purchased soda, sandwiches and chicken strips at a 24-hour mini-mart an hour earlier.

"He left and returned back about 4:00 a.m., but he had nothing in his hand and went straight to the room," Adenike told police. "

Nurse Adenike disappeared and a Hospital Technician showed surveillance tapes conclusively contradicting her claim, during Daniel's Inquest. Forces were already at work planting false information in the media to frame HKS. And ANS's Autopsy report was just being released at that point in time.


Posted at 1:15PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean



It matters not where Stern WAS or WAS NOT... 5 hours....4 hours.... 3 hours....2 hours....or 1 hour before Daniel died...He was in the SAME room as Daniel WAS dying ...Common sense, buddy, you just don't let people die while they are in the SAME room with ya..IF someone kills themselves with drugs...don't you ASK where they came from? Where's the investigation....oh, let me guess...all the manpower is busy "digging" up the DIRT on Danny and his Grandmother...let's BLAME them for your "stupidity"!

Posted at 1:59PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea

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4888. I've always wondered why antinoids harp about where did Daniel get the methadone with which he accidentally died.

The VA Team bragged they had bloggers flown into The Bahamas to report on the Inquest as 'unbiased' types. On TMZ we only saw silly and erroneous reports of a run-down cemetery when TV reports showed a beautifully maintained one.

However, the VA Team should be able to answer antinoid questions of the prevailing thought during the Inquest expressed by a number of witnesses and experts about the source of Daniel's methadone. Or, just drop it; the rest of us know the sources as discussed during the Inquest.

Posted at 2:47PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean


Ah..oh..what's your problem there, buddy? Could you rephrase your comment? ....OR just answer a question...where did the methadone come from that killed Daniel? You have one death on your hand's with the "lethal" drug, that killed Anna, in your name...so no VA team needed there...BUT I would bet there is ONE Texas Grandma....most curious where her grandson "got" the methadone that killed him...


Posted at 3:10PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea

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4894.
Posted at 3:44PM on May 12th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean


Posted at 4:12PM on May 13th 2008 by Best post of the month:)


Where did the Methadone that killed Daniel come from? ... Where's the TRANSPARENCY from Howard K Stern?



Posted at 4:25PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea

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Come on Swims...it's been a very LONG day..... do you have an answer for ME? .... "What's the DEAL"...you asked Dink?
There ISN'T deal.....just finish what YOU started....it sounds like you're dippin' into the "duffle bag" on a couple of your posts. Just explain yourself...what do you THINK you KNOW? WHO...do you KNOW? Quote YOUR "sources"....where's the Methadone that killed Daniel...?





2166 days ago
34.

blast from the past.....    

The '2 boys' weren't portraying anything to the public at that time, is my point. The peripheral hangers-on of the ANS saga were busy collecting their '15 minutes' on TV and in print and the over-heated media was handing out cash like candy to score the ratings of their lifetimes talking to people who couldn't possibly know what they were talking about.

We recall back then:

• Opri was crying on TV that the evil HKS was cutting her out (true, and so righteously deserved).
• O'Q was spinning his 'rhetorical hyperbole' about HKS the murderer with the life insurance policies (later retracted only after he was sued) to "level the playing field" for his client VA.
• VA (who had early after Daniel died tried to sell her herself to the media and that fact was never revealed until VA included the media titan CBS in her lawsuit against HKS) was claimed to be getting a raw shake in the media (reasonable after her Seidlin Court performance) by O'Q and his increasingly rabid bloggers.
• Entertainment and 'pop law' shows were featuring panels of people speculating that HKS and LB must be talking about some sort of deal regarding custody and property matters since they were unavailable to the media for comment.

Well, as it turns out, HKS and LB, two real people with a real baby that they both loved, were not going to allow themselves to fall victims to the sick and twisted media-whoring maelstrom of the day to the detriment of themselves and DL. As never in recent American history, two men set aside their substantial personal animosity for the sake of a little girl.

~snip~

Posted at 9:02PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean
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You forgot that LB was waving off mikes that were thrust in his face and him swearing "My baby is not for sale, there is no deal."

I remember the many, many, many denials that he and HKS were working together.

That kind of blows that statement out of the water, don't cha think?

2166 days ago
35.

Only swim in the Ocean    

What Did We Learn About The Source Of Daniel's Methadone During His Inquest?

The Background on the blogs.

Pro-HKS posters discussed on TMZ in detail their opinions about this question months before the Inquest began. Anti-HKS posters were not engaged in the discussion on repeated occasions and besides the usual 'HKS is a murderer' comments seemed also to be preoccupied by the QV spat and who 'Oh Really!' the blogger was. We recall numerous anti-HKS posters all claimed to have been 'Oh Really!' at one time or another as sort of a cooperative thing when it appears the case that O'Q's person Wilma Vice was. Wilma, a name O'Q claimed not to have ever heard before in his deposition for Wood/HKS suddenly recalled after Cosby's explosive deposition that she was a valued and legally protected member of his Law Firm. She and her buddy Clark have yet to be deposed. It will be a bombshell when they are.

The Inquest opens.

Magistrate Campbell indicates no criminal activity has been found by the Royal Bahamian Police in their extensive and International Investigation. The RBP had gone to CA in the course of their investigation to determine if Daniel had a medical history of methadone prescriptions or abuse. Their working theory was that Daniel brought the methadone with him since they had found no obvious source in The Bahamas for him to have acquired it after arriving there.

• Any 'inside' anti-HKS sources deny that was the tone then at the Inquest?

Daniel's autopsy is presented and the Pathologist opines that a deadly combination of multiple drugs, most notably SSRI's and Methadone (a common well known deadly combination responsible in America for multiple deaths annually) was Daniel's cause of death.

That Physician entirely agrees with Dr. Wecht's private autopsy findings which had been disclosed to the media much earlier with the same conclusion. Magistrate Campbell opines that Daniel likely began taking Methadone in CA and eventually over hours took enough to cause death. A toxicologist opines that the amount in Daniel's bloodstream, stomach and still grasped in his hands when he was found dead was alone sufficient to have killed him.

This toxicology testimony is widely misinterpreted on the blogs to have refuted the Physician testimony earlier. Two different Professional fields with complementary not exclusionary viewpoints was the case.

• Any 'inside' anti-HKS sources deny that was the tone then at the Inquest?

LB speaks. His first-hand account is of watching Daniel on CCTV stealing ANS's stash of Methadone tablets. G. Ben/FS both uniquely tell stories denying the RBP account of their own investigation and its quality and stand alone as the only discordant witnesses of the Inquest. No one believes them.

Daniel's pants were examined in the room in front of HKS and G. Ben and others as Daniel lay dead in ANS's Hospital bed and no pills 'fell out'. HKS never left the Hospital for hours during the night, rather he was seen sound asleep by Nurses and Daniel was up and about with his mother at times. Nurses were in and out of the room multiple times as is true in any Hospital anywhere.

• Any 'inside' anti-HKS sources deny that was the tone then at the Inquest?

Multiple News sources covered the Inquest. The pervasive thought was that Daniel brought his methadone with him and as a non-addicted abuser of the drug, took too much. This is the underlying reasoning to explain the epidemic of Methadone related deaths in the USA.

Pro-HKS posters speculated extensively that this was the case before the Inquest. All sources reporting the Inquest proceedings never contradicted that view. No one believes that you cannot walk through Customs with a stash of little Methadone tablets stuffed into your jeans. Daniel had drugs in his suitcase found after his death.

• A stolen stash of Methadone tablets from ANS's Studio City, CA Home.
• The slow but deadly acc umulation of a drug like Methadone that does not provide a 'quick high'.
• An inexperienced user of Methadone who kept taking more and more trying to get a buzz.
• The lethal interaction of SSRI's like Lexapro and Zoloft and Methadone.
• Daniel found dead still with Methadone tablets undissolved in his stomach and grasped in his hands as the lethal combination of drugs worked its final due.

An American tragedy to have lost a most dearly beloved son to the scourge of prescription drug abuse.

2166 days ago
36.

Only swim in the Ocean    

Well, as it turns out, HKS and LB, two real people with a real baby that they both loved, were not going to allow themselves to fall victims to the sick and twisted media-whoring maelstrom of the day to the detriment of themselves and DL. As never in recent American history, two men set aside their substantial personal animosity for the sake of a little girl.

~snip~

Posted at 9:02PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean
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You forgot that LB was waving off mikes that were thrust in his face and him swearing "My baby is not for sale, there is no deal."

I remember the many, many, many denials that he and HKS were working together.

That kind of blows that statement out of the water, don't cha think?

Posted at 10:01PM on May 13th 2008 by MC
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Nope. It supports my view that both HKS and LB had consciously decided to not media-whore DL's future and went 'silent' to the Press at that time. It's the peripheral people in the story who couldn't restrain themselves in public.

2166 days ago
37.

GQ    

For a discussion or debate to be fair and balanced, shouldn't a question be answered by the best of one's ability, by the debaters?

2166 days ago
38.

blast from the past.....    

Nope. It supports my view that both HKS and LB had consciously decided to not media-whore DL's future and went 'silent' to the Press at that time. It's the peripheral people in the story who couldn't restrain themselves in public.

Posted at 10:13PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean
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LB was not 'silent'. Is this one of those little untruths that you are so fond of speaking about?

I would also say that based on the most recent filings in Arther v. Stern, CBS, et.al. that HKS had many voices speaking for him, and he and his family were well awawer of it.

Before you trot out "unathenticated", I will just wait for the justice system to do what it does best.

All previous MOO.

2166 days ago
39.

Only swim in the Ocean    

4915. What Did We Learn About The Source Of Daniel's Methadone During His Inquest?

The Background on the blogs.

Pro-HKS posters discussed on TMZ in detail their opinions about this question months before the Inquest began. Anti-HKS posters were not engaged in the discussion on repeated occasions and besides the usual 'HKS is a murderer' comments seemed also to be preoccupied by the QV spat and who 'Oh Really!' the blogger was. We recall numerous anti-HKS posters all claimed to have been 'Oh Really!' at one time or another as sort of a cooperative thing when it appears the case that O'Q's person Wilma Vice was. Wilma, a name O'Q claimed not to have ever heard before in his deposition for Wood/HKS suddenly recalled after Cosby's explosive deposition that she was a valued and legally protected member of his Law Firm. She and her buddy Clark have yet to be deposed. It will be a bombshell when they are.

The Inquest opens.

Magistrate Campbell indicates no criminal activity has been found by the Royal Bahamian Police in their extensive and International Investigation. The RBP had gone to CA in the course of their investigation to determine if Daniel had a medical history of methadone prescriptions or abuse. Their working theory was that Daniel brought the methadone with him since they had found no obvious source in The Bahamas for him to have acquired it after arriving there.

• Any 'inside' anti-HKS sources deny that was the tone then at the Inquest?

Daniel's autopsy is presented and the Pathologist opines that a deadly combination of multiple drugs, most notably SSRI's and Methadone (a common well known deadly combination responsible in America for multiple deaths annually) was Daniel's cause of death.

That Physician entirely agrees with Dr. Wecht's private autopsy findings which had been disclosed to the media much earlier with the same conclusion. Magistrate Campbell opines that Daniel likely began taking Methadone in CA and eventually over hours took enough to cause death. A toxicologist opines that the amount in Daniel's bloodstream, stomach and still grasped in his hands when he was found dead was alone sufficient to have killed him.

This toxicology testimony is widely misinterpreted on the blogs to have refuted the Physician testimony earlier. Two different Professional fields with complementary not exclusionary viewpoints was the case.

• Any 'inside' anti-HKS sources deny that was the tone then at the Inquest?

LB speaks. His first-hand account is of watching Daniel on CCTV stealing ANS's stash of Methadone tablets. G. Ben/FS both uniquely tell stories denying the RBP account of their own investigation and its quality and stand alone as the only discordant witnesses of the Inquest. No one believes them.

Daniel's pants were examined in the room in front of HKS and G. Ben and others as Daniel lay dead in ANS's Hospital bed and no pills 'fell out'. HKS never left the Hospital for hours during the night, rather he was seen sound asleep by Nurses and Daniel was up and about with his mother at times. Nurses were in and out of the room multiple times as is true in any Hospital anywhere.

• Any 'inside' anti-HKS sources deny that was the tone then at the Inquest?

Multiple News sources covered the Inquest. The pervasive thought was that Daniel brought his methadone with him and as a non-addicted abuser of the drug, took too much. This is the underlying reasoning to explain the epidemic of Methadone related deaths in the USA.

Pro-HKS posters speculated extensively that this was the case before the Inquest. All sources reporting the Inquest proceedings never contradicted that view. No one believes that you cannot walk through Customs with a stash of little Methadone tablets stuffed into your jeans. Daniel had drugs in his suitcase found after his death.

• A stolen stash of Methadone tablets from ANS's Studio City, CA Home.
• The slow but deadly acc umulation of a drug like Methadone that does not provide a 'quick high'.
• An inexperienced user of Methadone who kept taking more and more trying to get a buzz.
• The lethal interaction of SSRI's like Lexapro and Zoloft and Methadone.
• Daniel found dead still with Methadone tablets undissolved in his stomach and grasped in his hands as the lethal combination of drugs worked its final due.

An American tragedy to have lost a most dearly beloved son to the scourge of prescription drug abuse.

Posted at 10:06PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean

word.

2166 days ago
40.

Only swim in the Ocean    

"Well, as it turns out, HKS and LB, two real people with a real baby that they both loved, were not going to allow themselves to fall victims to the sick and twisted media-whoring maelstrom of the day to the detriment of themselves and DL."

"HKS and LB formed a protective wall around DL which has stood inviolate to this day."

"Whatever McCabe claims certain bloggers were doing and for whatever purpose they were doing it, never happened."

Posted at 9:02PM on May 13th 2008 by Only swim in the Ocean

2166 days ago
41.

GQ    

Come on Swims...it's been a very LONG day..... do you have an answer for ME? .... "What's the DEAL"...you asked Dink?
There ISN'T deal.....just finish what YOU started....it sounds like you're dippin' into the "duffle bag" on a couple of your posts. Just explain yourself...what do you THINK you KNOW? WHO...do you KNOW? Quote YOUR "sources"....where's the Methadone that killed Daniel...?







Posted at 9:56PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea

2166 days ago
42.

repost    

• A stolen stash of Methadone tablets from ANS's Studio City, CA Home.
• The slow but deadly acc umulation of a drug like Methadone that does not provide a 'quick high'.
• An inexperienced user of Methadone who kept taking more and more trying to get a buzz.
• The lethal interaction of SSRI's like Lexapro and Zoloft and Methadone.
• Daniel found dead still with Methadone tablets undissolved in his stomach and grasped in his hands as the lethal combination of drugs worked its final due.

Link to prove all ths please.

2166 days ago
43.

Random Thots    


Posted at 9:56PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea


Posted at 10:40PM on May 13th 2008 by Good question


GQ...do you think I will EVER get an answer?...

2166 days ago
44.

Only swim in the Ocean    

4921.
Posted at 9:56PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea


Posted at 10:40PM on May 13th 2008 by Good question


GQ...do you think I will EVER get an answer?...


Posted at 11:05PM on May 13th 2008 by Bea

answer was posted at 10:06, #4915

2166 days ago
45.

Dink    

So swims.....I have read your rambling answer......don't mean that as an insult, just a fact.

Does common sense tell you that Daniel would chance carrying an illegal drug into a foreign country? That just makes NO sense to me....he knew there was a houseful of drugs at his destination.....IF he wanted them. Why would he take a chance carrying them on him?

And as for Larry claiming to have seen Daniel steal Anna's drugs......there is absolutely no proof of that. There is also no way to know what he did with them IF he took them.....did he take them away from his mother? If the tape of that theft had been in evidence, we might know for sure. Larry is no more reliable than anyone else IMO.

I still see nothing in your answer that supports your statement that you "know the source" of methadone or anything else.

I appreciate you responding but I don't feel you explained your statement at all.....we all know and can read about the inquest ourselves.....but your statement caught my attention and I don't feel that you have backed up your claim to "know the source"....you simply have an opinion just like everyone else.

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