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Jackson Time of Death a Mystery

8/26/2009 5:22 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

MIchael JacksonLaw enforcement sources tell TMZ the L.A. County Coroner cannot pinpoint the time of Michael Jackson's death ... but paramedics say when they arrived they believed he was dead for at least an hour and maybe longer.

Dr. Conrad Murray
's statement to LAPD detectives lays out a timeline in which Dr. Murray administered Propofol at 10:40 AM and then ten minutes later (10:50) he walked out of the room, went to the bathroom and returned two minutes later (10:52) to find Jackson was not breathing. He did not have anyone call 911 until 12:21 PM ... approximately an hour-and-a-half later.

Sources say cops are suspicious of Dr. Murray's account. They say when Dr. Murray was interviewed by them two days after Jackson died -- his lawyer by his side -- the doctor's account seemed "scripted."

So when did Jackson really die? Rigor mortis typically doesn't set in for at least 3 hours, and often longer. If rigor mortis has not set in, the only way to approximate time of death is by body temperature. Once a person dies, their temperature eventually rises or falls to the temperature of the environment. For example, if Jackson were in a 70 degree room, his body temp would drop to 70. The body temperature typically drops a degree to a degree and a half per hour, but it's dependent on the ambient temperature.

Here's the problem -- when paramedics arrived the room was sweltering. So Jackson's body temperature could register in the 90 degree range, even if he were dead for a long time. But we're told paramedics did not get a read on his body temp because they were busy performing CPR.

Bottom line -- it's possible Jackson could have been dead much longer than Dr. Murray said. There's no scientific way of knowing.

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106.

Ana4    

From DailyIndia.com, I discovered somethings. Parametics have to fill out a F-902M if there's a death reporting the incident. Parametics said that the dr was acting strange and that MJ had been dead for at least an hour prior. They said that they noticed levidity. The source quotes a doctor as saying that levidity occurs at least 3 hours prior to death. It also speculates that Murry wanted MJ to go the hospital because if you die at the hospital there may not be an investigation and perhaps, no autopsy. If he died at home, the investigation would occur. It continued that the attending emergency room doctor was suspicious and called the coroner anyway. Also that Dr. Murry was acting really suspicious, and actually getting in the way of parametics. They said he was a handful.

1853 days ago
107.

bebefj123    

Murray knew that about the temp and thats why he turned the heat up and hid the needles, pulled the IV from MJ's arm and everything else he was did while it took hours to call 911. He is such a liar. Too bad MJ fell for this nut. Guess Murray thinks the same about MJ. They were too "Bad" for each other. There just may have been a chance for him to be saved if Murray had of giving him that chance by calling 911 sooner instead of trying to play life saver after he killed him.

1853 days ago
108.

rs    

FYI

If this is true it is pretty interesting


Jacko’s Dr. Murray: Doc Dad Was Punished for Similar Rx’s
By: Roger Friedman //
Thursday July 23, 2009



Michael Jackson’s Dr. Conrad Murray, now under investigation by the LAPD for possible manslaughter in Michael’s death: medical malfeasance may be in his genes. Dr. Murray’s biological father, whom he met at age 25, was the late Dr. Rawle Andrews of Houston, Tex. Dr. Andrews died in 2001, but was a respected Houston physician. However: Dr. Rawle Andrews medical license came under review and severely limited—according to the Texas Medical Board—from 1994 to 1999.

Dr. Andrews was found to have prescribed “controlled substances and substances with addictive potential to [two patients, names reduced to initials] for extended periods of time without adequate indication.”The board particularly cited four “dangerous” drugs in their order:Stadol—a powerful pain reliever used for migraines after surgery—connected to Demerol Nubain—another powerful pain reliever, delivered through IV, equivalent to morphine and used as a supplement to anesthesia; Talwin— yet another monster pain reliever/narcotic used before surgery and anesthesia Phenergan—a more moderate pain killer but also an antihistamine used for itching and swelling.

If any of these turn up in Michael Jackson’s toxicology report, the parallels may be more than just a coincidence.

What probably killed Jackson was an overdose or misuse of anesthesia-based drug Diprivan. Certainly, Dr. Murray knew that his father had had disciplinary action taken against him for prescribing and administering similar drugs.

The citation reads: “Agreed Order entered restricting license for 5 years for prescribing or administering a drug or treatment that is non therapeutic in nature or non therapeutic in the manner the drug or treatment is administered or prescribed.”
Both Dr. Andrews and his son, Dr. Murray, are graduates of Nashville’s Meharry Medical College.

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/tag/conrad-murray/



Another messed up timeline


How Could Conrad Murray Meet Jackson in 2006?
5072009
Sunday, July 05, 2009
By Roger Friedman

We continue to read stories about Michael Jackson’s live-in doctor, Conrad Murray.

Murray’s attorney and others around him insist that the doctor met Jackson in Las Vegas in 2006. They say one of Jackson’s children was ill, and that the doctor was called. Out of the blue.

But the timeline is wrong: Jackson was not in the United States in 2006. He left Los Angeles for Bahrain in June 2005. He didn’t return until December 23, 2006. On that day Jackson brought his family to Las Vegas from Ireland, where he’d been after a stay in France following more than a year in Bahrain.



Could Murray have met Jackson during the last week of 2006? Even that’s doubtful. After checking out his new home and celebrating Christmas, Jackson went to Augusta, Georgia, on December 30th for James Brown’s funeral.

What’s more, sources from Jackson’s camp at that time say none of the children were ill. “And if they were, why would he call a cardiologist?” asks one insider. “A pediatrician, yes.”

So the mystery remains about Dr. Murray: who introduced him to Jackson? And why?

source: http://www.showbiz411.com/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-meet-doctor
Posted at 1:54AM on Aug 27th 2009 by rs




1853 days ago
109.

rs    

I am convinced that Murray was not in this alone. I believe this was planned and he was selected for a reason.

1853 days ago
110.

Janet    

I would seriously like to know why in the world the paramedics had been giving him CPR for about an hour if they thought he had been dead for quite a while? hmm

1852 days ago
111.

janicebyrne01    

The quack is a liar and a killer. He is the only one who knows the truth and he's determined not to tell it. Arrest him NOW, jail him, throw away the keys. He won't be missed. Whatever happens, he's finished...

1852 days ago
112.

Wanda    

I think Dr. Murray increased the temp of the room right before the paramedics arrived to throw them off as of the time of death.

1852 days ago
113.

elaine    

It's about damn time somebody said this. I'm not a doctor and even I know this! "The body temperature typically drops a degree to a degree and a half per hour, but it's dependent on the ambient temperature." I'm not believing that Murray ever stayed in that room all of that time with the temp turned up to 90. Murray turned the heat up to disguise the time of death. Michael was dead long before 11:00 and Dr. Murray knew it. Paramedics & po should have locked that place down immediately. Oh btw, Mike, you do an excellent job covering this on TV but you gotta talk more. Don't let em shut you up so much. The press sucks on this coverage.

1847 days ago
114.

shai    

Looking at the condition of the tissue of organs is a more accurate way of determining time of death.All of the heart tissue dies in about 50 min after the heart stops,that is why there is only about40- 50 min in total time to get the heart restarted when it stops.That is why you call 911 at once,keep blood moving to the heart and oxigenate the blood until help arrives.Looking at the list of drugs he injected and administered from 1:30 am June 25/09 the heart beat count would have been very low by the time he injected the propofol @10:40 am and then he left the room for 2min or longer.What doctor is so careless that they do not verify the possible interactions with the meds they administer anyway.Clearly, you do not use some of meds he used with propofol to begin with and you do not administer this drug with an unstable blood pressure either.The tempereture in the room is also suspect but the way the room temp read and altered the body temp. we may think that he acted in an appropriate way and within the time frame to save a life. I think that the actual time of death could be related to the time of heart tissue death -40-50 min.Brain tissue starts to deterriorate from lack of oxigen after 10 min but it is a different process and it's not acurate for determination of time of death.

1845 days ago
115.

Sandy    

The first thing I thought when we learned about propofol and the 1/2 life of it, is that Dr.Murray must have panicked and simply waited hoping for the overdose of propofol to leave his body so the coroner would not find lethal amounts of it in his body, but they did anyhow, this is why the time-line inconsistency or why he didn't call 911 right away. The other thing, well there are many, which are very puzzling, is that we keep hearing about, M.J.s son being summoned by Dr. Murry to the bedroom where his father lay unconscious, yet the cook has said that his son never went up the stairs but stayed downstairs with the rest of them crying and praying. Alot does not make any sense.

1845 days ago
116.

r.s first comment    

Good comments by nr 349,134 and some others.-What are dr Murray´´s
mesicical credentials?i have contradictory info re a Calofornia license.Was he a board certified cardiologist???-If MJ had taken something AFTER he got the last injectio by dr Murray he would have taken it by mouth (for ex. some benzodiazepine) it would not have gotten into his bloodsteam so fast that it could have had any effect.All the benzos that were found in his stomach had been given previously and by admissiomn by dr M.--Not only is he guiltry of gross negligence,also of destroing evidence and ossibly theft of jewewllery.He claimed MJ had given him permission!-No way did he commit suicide.He had those kids he loved
and that is almost the saddest,they lost their dad.Did you see&hear
his daughter at the public ceremony?

1841 days ago
117.

puppi    

PEOPLE,PEOPLE,

WHY ISN'T THAT DR, MURRAY IN JAIL ALLREADY?

HE KILLED MICHAEL JACKSON,NO MATTER HE SAYS THAT HE

WAS DEAD 1 AND HALF HOUR AS HE ADDMITED OR 4 HOURS AS

I SUSPECT,THE REASON IS HE MUST HAVE KILLED HIM

AROUND 7 O'CLOCK AFTER HIMSELF WAKES UP AND NOTICE

THAT OUR BELOVED MJ. IS NOT BREATHING SO HE JACKS UP THE

ROOM TEMP.TO 95 DEGREE SO MJ's DEAD BODY DOES- NOT BECOME

COLD. THAT WAY HE CAN CONFUSE THE POLICE AND PEREMEDICS
THEN HE GOES AND CALL HIS BOSSES OF WHAT TO DO.

THEN HE START THE COVERING UP AND INJECTING OUR

BELOVED MICHAEL WITH ALL KINDS OF DRUGS TO MAKE IT LOOK

LIKE HE USED A LOT OF OTHER DRUGS!!! WHAT DOES IT MATTER??

ONE HOUR OR 4 HOUR HE DID IT, HE WAS THE LAST GUY STANDING.

PUT HIM IN JAIL ALLREADY, THEN HE WILL TELL THE POLICE

"WILL SING LIKE A CANARY" DR, DEATH SHOULD BE GIVEN AN- OSCAR.

HE PLAYS VERY WELL,AND LAPD, WHAT WERE YOU DOING NOT

SECURING THE HOUSE AFTER MJ.HAD PASSED??? DR, MURRAY

COULD HAVE STOLEN MICHAEL JACKSON'S CASH& JWELERY

"AS LATOYA SID WAS MISSING" TO PAY FOR HIS LEGAL FEES.

WE ALL KNOW THAT HE WAS IN DEEP FINANCIAL DEBT.

SO WHER THE HELL HE GETS MONEY TO HIRE A VERY EXPENSIVE

LAWYER??? CAN SOME ONE TELL ME THAT.


















TO THINK HE JUST HAD PASSED. "GOOD ACTOR WHO PAID HIM"

WE SHOULD GIVE HIM AN OSCAR. THIS A.HOLE, WAS TAKING

ORDER FROM SOME ONE,OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE IMEDETLY

CALL 911 WHY DID HE WAIT SO LONG EVEN THOUGH HE DID NOT

HAVE ANY LIFE SAVING EQUPTMENT!!! WOW WHY IS THE LAPD.

WATING????

1833 days ago
118.

claudia22juiz    

No les creo nada, es muy misterioso!!, dicentanto los medio que es demasido,no se le cree nada a nadie, la gente ya desconfia de todo datosobre la muerte del Sr Michael Jackson

1832 days ago
119.

MSBlue    

TIAI redirect!

1355 days ago
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