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Charlie and Denise FACE OFF Over Their Kids

5/11/2011 8:30 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Charlie Sheen and his ex-wife Denise Richards went to battle at an L.A. lawyer's office yesterday over a custody agreement regarding their kids ... and TMZ has learned the Warlock did NOT emerge victorious.

Charlie Sheen Custody
Sources connected to the negotiation say Charlie wants his daughters Sam and Lola for weekends ... but Denise has had deep concerns about the welfare of the children and under current circumstances, she does not want Charlie to have the kids.

When the two faced off yesterday -- we're told there were "neutral third parties in the room" who agreed  with Denise that Charlie should not have the kids.

We're told the matter is NOT going to go to court ... and right now, Charlie will not get the visits he wants.

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jacksonfive210    

real deal
Yeah, right. He's obviously terrified of a psych evaluation. I guess no expert will support his claims that he is drug free, mentally stable and not a danger to the well being of those children. And when you have money to afford an expert, but can't find one, that's REALLY saying something!
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where is this information you got that he's using again and terrified of a psych evaluation.

1156 days ago
77.

jacksonfive210    

real deal
because all I have heard experts say is since charlie isnt getting help from experts he might not stay sober for good but thats true with every addict rehab or not and we dont know if charlie has even been asked to take a psych exam. The only people who really know how he acts as a father is him and his kids and a few others who are in his entourage.

1156 days ago
78.

Sammy    

Oh please...no judge is his/her right mind is going to let this moron have those girls for the weekend. Carlos should stop taking Denise to court. He is unemployed now and he is going to blow thru his money faster than Nic Cage.

1156 days ago
79.

Jodi    

I'm glad someone is thinking about the welfare of the kids. Charlie shouldn't be around the boys either. Let Denise raise the girls on her own like she's been doing. She is definitely the better parent and has been doing a splendid job.

IMO, Charlie don't care about the boys or the girls. If he did he would go to rehab, get clean and become a better role model to both set of kids. He just wants people to believe he can go against the mothers of his children and come out "winning".

He didn't raise his first child when he was younger and now that he's older and a crackhead what makes anybody think he can be a good father to his little kids now.

Why don't he take his bimbo and what's left of his "yes" men close the door to his mansion and stay in his own world. He has enough money to do this and we wouldn't have to ever hear about him again. Think Howard Hughes.

1156 days ago
80.

real deal    

Just from the various things that have been reported, I am surmising bbrown. He wouldn't get one for TAHM to get cleared to get back to work a few months ago after he decided to "get sober" at the Sober Valley Lodge - that genius move cost him $1.8M per episode. I don't think he got one for his case with Brooke, just urine tests which he apparently knows how to dance around. It doesn't seem Denise is buying it in her case. It sounds like the neurtal observers weren't either.

And since he just had a conference with Denise to "ask" for a weekends, it is clear that he cannot put a case together to expand his time not even by 1 minute. If he wants to put a case together, he needs one.

He looks nuts, acts nuts and talks nuts. Didn't he say his Vatican DNA or Warlock weenie made him an enigma to modern psychology? Or was that oblivious? Of course he is afraid to get an evaluation! And don't ya think if he had a favorable one, he's put it on a tee-shirt?!?

1156 days ago
81.

jacksonfive210    

real deal
I havent heard anything with him having to take an exam for two and a half men but I have heard in late march he had to take a psych exam before he can see his twin boys and since he got to see them this weekend I guess he took it idk. Umm I never heard charlie sheen saying anything about having a warlock weenie? I mean he has said hes a warlock and a vatican assassin but I feel he wasnt very serious when he said that and now since it's such a big deal and helps him sell his merchandise he keeps saying it.

1156 days ago
82.

C    

Stop paying child support! You need a M Lawyer. Denise's crap on the east coast has come to an end. She can blow Gotti but her career is over. Guess thats what happens when you lick little cheerleading girls.

1156 days ago
83.

jacksonfive210    

real deal
He wouldn't get one for TAHM to get cleared to get back to work a few months ago after he decided to "get sober" at the Sober Valley Lodge - that genius move cost him $1.8M per episode.
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I dont think cbs ever tryed to make charlie take a psych exam they just wanted him to go to rehab and instead did his own rehab which I dont really fault him for trying something new since rehab has failed him so many times in the past. He only got fired because after a week he tryed to go back to work lorre didnt have any scrpits done for the last four episodes and thats when charlie spoke out bashing lorre and cbs thats what lead to him getting fired.

1156 days ago
84.

real deal    

Well bbrown, you might know more than I do. Maybe he did have an evaluation for his case with Brooke. I never heard that he did, but I could be wrong.

However, if he did get an evaluation for Brooke's case and if it was favorable, then it makes Denise's refusal and the refusal of the independent observers baffling. It would seem to me that if he had a favorable evaluation and negative drug tests, there would be no reason to deny his request. And yet, he was denied. Generally, 1+1=2.

And I don't know if he has a warlock weenie or a vatican vagina. Can't say I care either. I was just being facetious. I do think he owes his children more than he is giving them though. I get the sense that Charlie likes his crazy ass lifestyle more than being a father; maybe he has no idea how to be one. And that is a crack damn shame.

1156 days ago
85.

real deal    

Bbrown, this is an excerpt from page 5 of WB's attorneys March 7, 2011 letter to Charlie's attorney. They asked and he didn't give them anyting:

Within a couple of weeks, however, Mr. Sheen announced that he was ready to return to work. As Mr. Sheen was aware, some lead time was required to restart production and so it was scheduled to resume February 28.Warner executives requested several times that Mr. Sheen's representatives send a letter from Mr. Sheen's doctor explaining his diagnosis, course of treatment and prognosis, and certifying that Mr. Sheen could return to work on February 28. No such letter was provided. Subsequently, Warner Bros. learned that Mr. Sheen had apparently
fired his sobriety coach. Moreover, Mr. Sheen recently declared he had self-healed his addictions by saying that he "blinked and cured [his] brain." Accordingly, it is not surprising
that no professional apparently was willing to attest that Mr. Sheen had self-treated, self-healed and self-cured his brain of his addiction problems.

1156 days ago
86.

jacksonfive210    

real deal
I havent heard of him taking a psych exam either but there where a dozen reports that charlie would have to take a psych exam before he could see his twin boys and since he got to see them last weekend im guessing he submitted one I dont think he would get a fav. psych exam because idk any psychologist that would but those kids in harm way and put their neck on the line for charlie. Idk a whole lot about the details about denise and charlies custody agreement but even if he is clean and took a psych exam there still is alot of factors that could hurt him. We dont really know how good of a father he is to his kids I mean he doesnt even get to see them very much with the agreement as is and he lives a busy life style to support his kids and him self. When I saw him playing with his kids in that interview he looked like a dad who loves his kids and they look liked they love him too but idk how he is when the cameras not on him none of us do. Im not saying hes dad of the year either but right now he's showing he wants to be in the their life more by trying to get more time with them and not doing drugs.

1156 days ago
87.

jacksonfive210    

real deal
I dont get what you where trying to get at with the whole wb letter to why charlie sheen got fired please explain.

1156 days ago
88.

CHRIS    

Denise is a good mom and doing the right thing.

1156 days ago
89.

real deal    

Bbrown, the letter states that WB asked for his doctor's diagnosis, treatment, prognosis and a certification to return to work. That's the same thing as an evaluation and it seems clear that he did not give them. With $1.8M per episode hanging in the balance, one would think he would provide it...if he could.

The fact that he failed to provide WB with an evaluation for $1.8M per episode, seems to make it unlikely that he gave one to Brooke. Who knows though? But today's result with Denise seems to indicate that he doesn't have one.

And you're right there are other factors. But it seems drugs and his mental condition are the biggest issues he faces.

1156 days ago
90.

lilirose_74    

I always find it interesting that in every photo the little girls always look SAD & DEPRESSED when they are around Mommy! Charlie just wants to see his girls, & the girls clearly miss their daddy. Keep cashing in those child support checks Denise, because you are also hurting your girls as well, by DENYING them their father!

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