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Dr. Conrad Murray

Hanging by a Thread

10/20/2011 11:30 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF


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The case against Dr. Conrad Murray is impressive -- but Harvey and Jason aren't convinced it's iron clad ... because prosecutors missed one crucial point.

Plus, was Lindsay Lohan hiding something under that hideous makeup in court yesterday? Dr. Rey thinks he knows what it is ... and what it isn't.

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(1:00) Lindsay Lohan lied to us ... surprised?
(3:31) TMZ was right ... we knew that Judge Stephanie Sautner was going to revoke Lindsay's probation.
(7:27) Lindsay has proved time and time again that she is going to do what she wants no matter what promises she makes.
(14:00) A Sheriff shouldn't go on Good Day LA and talk about celebrity defendants ... they should come onto TMZ Live and talk about them!
(19:47) Dr. 90210 himself joins us to put the kibosh on a rumor to why Lilo's makeup was so bad in court. 
(29:51) The prosecution now rests it's case in People vs. Conrad Murray.
(33:10) Harvey tells us what he would do if he was on the prosecution.
(47:57) Harvey gives us an idea as to what the defense might argue.


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1.

Winston Smith    

The death of Muammar Gaddafi, killed by NATO and US-backed rebels, will be hailed by western powers, not merely because they have now seized control of another oil-rich country under the dubious auspices of the “Arab Spring,” but because Gaddafi will be prevented from exposing western support for Al-Qaeda terrorists under the glare of a UN International Criminal Court trial.

The former Libyan leader’s untimely death conveniently avoids the embarrassment of having to put him in front of a United Nations tribunal at the Hague.

Western powers have learned this lesson the hard way – allowing alleged war criminals to stand trial and voice their grievances routinely implicates parties that would much prefer such information be kept out of the spotlight.

Instead of capturing Saddam Hussein alive and allowing him to stand trial, US forces would have probably been better off killing him on the spot. During his court case, Hussein presented a 5,000 word treatise chastising the Bush administration for concocting lies about WMD and links with Al-Qaeda to launch the invasion of Iraq. Before Saddam was executed, there was also talk of him calling Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger, who in the late 70′s forged alliances with Hussein, as defense witnesses.

Allowing another accused war criminal, Slobodan Milosevic, to stand trial, also proved to be a massive mistake for western interests.

In the case of Milosevic, his outbursts became so damaging that the UN decided it would be better to poison him to death rather than let him continue to expose the fact that western war crimes dwarfed anything he was accused of.

Milosevic had made several speeches in which he discussed how a group of shadowy internationalists had caused the chaos in the Balkans because it was the next step on the road to a “New World Order.”

During his trial, Milosevic presented the Hague tribunal with FBI do***ents proving that the United States government and NATO provided financial and military support for Al-Qaeda to aid the Kosovo Liberation Army in its war against Serbia.

Before the trial concluded, Milosevic was found dead in his cell a day after he had wrote a letter stating, “They would like to poison me. I’m seriously concerned and worried.”

Similarly, had Muammar Gaddafi been given the opportunity to defend himself in front of an international tribunal, his testimony would have been devastating on everything from the staged Lockerbie false flag attack, the US and NATO slaughtering his children, to his secret deals with former heads of state like Tony Blair, to his more recent meeting with President Barack Obama.

Specifically, he would have also have blown the whistle on the fact that the overthrow of Libya was accomplished with the aid of Al-Qaeda terrorists who killed U.S. and British troops in Iraq.

Gaddafi may also have pointed to the plight of black Libyans, who are being imprisoned and slaughtered by rebel forces hailed by the establishment media as freedom fighters.

Now that Gaddafi is dead, Libya will fall victim to political extremists and face the same fate as Egypt, which since the US-backed “Arab Spring” at the start of the year which displaced Mubarak, has turned into an even worse tyranny overseen by a military dictatorship.

But the mainstream networks will merely continue to broadcast scenes of cheering men firing guns into the air, selling another act of cynical neo-imperialism as a glorious liberation.

1077 days ago
2.

Sharon    

Presumably you will address Ms Lohan's problems at the morgue today. Hoping you would be receptive to suggestions for alternate obsessions. Perhaps you could select from the following list for future stories. They might not be interesting enough because they all seem to be accomplished, talented, respectful, mature young actresses as opposed to the current focus of your obsession. To the best of my knowledge, none of them has even one mug shot nor do they appear to have drug/alcohol problems. They are actually in the acting business and about the same age, however. Would like to suggest you devote some attention to some of their accomplishments rather than Ms. Lohan lack thereof.

Keira Knightley (26)
Carey Mulligan (26)
Scarlett Johannsen (26)
Olivia Wilde (27)
Ellen Page (24)
Hilary Duff (24)
Emily Blunt (28)
Jennifer Lawrence (21)
Taylor Swift (22)

1077 days ago
3.

car lover    

A huge part of the reason that Lindsay Lohan repeatedly fails in getting her life together is that NO BODY wants to see her succeed, NO BODY.

Her parents are the worst out there, especially that Michael Lohan who cannot wait for an opportunity to trash his daughter and ex-wife. Have you seen him talking about Lindsay smoking crack? WTH.

The media is always milking her for stories which they know people will read, and don't give the slightest care how much trouble she gets into, as long as they get those readers!!

Her "friends" are even worse than her parents, and do you want to know why? Because these are the "friends" you ALWAYS get stories from and refer to in your posts. What kind of friend always reveals every bit of dirty laundry that Lohan has?

Even the authorities love the attention they get from Lindsay's case! That mini press conference the coroner's office threw? What was the point of that? If you were as SERIOUS and strict as you make yourself seem, then you would've kept this PROFESSIONAL and under wraps, because as they said, they informed the judge and the probation office [which are the the only people who need to know]. But if there some attention, cameras and microphones waiting, then why not enjoy it? And it's not like they're giving out a message to everyone by showing how strict they are - not every community service case works at the morgue.

And what about that Sherrif? Since when did he become the expert? All he does is carry out the judge's order - he virtually has no say in what he believes Lindsay should do. But of course he would do anything for those cameras! Now he's against her? He's been the one who's let Lindsay out and given her the many chances she's taken in the past by releasing her early or allowing her to do house arrest?

The only person who has some slight interest in the well being of Lindsay would have to be Shawn who has vigorously fought for Lindsay on many multiple occasions.

I'm not saying she's not wrong in what she does, what I'm saying is that EVERYONE keeps enabling her to be the way she is. How is she to respect the authorities when the authorities themselves have no respect for her when they keep holding these mini press conferences to bash her and air out her dirty laundry?

I think this whole thing is just way out of proportion, and if we want to see Lindsay on the right track, then those should be our intentions when we bring her up, and not other wise.

1077 days ago
4.

car lover    

Honestly - what do you think jail is going to do to Lindsay? Sure it's gonna make her "pay" for breaking the law, but is it really going to help her in getting back on the right track? Don't think so. If anything, it's only going to throw her off track and get her feeling like crap again. She's got enough humiliation to deal with as is.

1077 days ago
5.

justagirl    

Yes every witness for the prosecution brought something different to the table. (My fav was hot Dr. Alon!) One thing I heard today that I hadn't heard before was that stopping breathing is extremely common with propofol users! That was a new one for me! So for Dr. Murray to have been on the phone or to have walked away or to have even been monitoring a patient from across the room or even leaving the room is ridiculous because he wouldn't have been aware of WHEN (not if) MJ stopped breathing! Esp since MJ wasn't hooked up to 1/2 of the hospital required monitors/devices. Also why would Dr. Conrad Murray do chest compressions if there had been a pulse lol. The last doctor further testified that MJ didn't ingest propofol and that wasn't what killed him.

I think all we're going to hear out of the defense is the term "redistribution" over and over. Like "redistribution" somehow mitigates Dr. Conrad Murray's contribution to MJ's untimely death.

1077 days ago
6.

car lover    

Again, I think this whole Lindsay situation is blown out of proportion, even if that's due to her lack of responsibility. We need to remember that the overwhelming majority of her "crimes" have affected NO BODY but HERSELF. The trouble she's gotten into didn't hurt anyone in anyway shape or form, for the most part. So we need to ALL stop pretending like we can have a say in this and suggest she be thrown to jail, because truth of the matter is, we don't. She hasn't hurt any of us personally, and for that reason, we should get off her back and just wish her the best recovery she's capable of - after all, isn't that what you'd want for yourself?

1077 days ago
7.

Mallerie    

I know it's not her job, but seriously ... if I were Shawn Holley, I would have been knocking on LiLo's door at 6:30am today with a bagel and a venti double-shot espresso to haul her butt to the morgue. If only to save my own reputation!

1077 days ago
8.

car lover    

Maybe in the past Lindsay has done this for the attention. Let us not forget that ever since she was a little girl, she's been used to getting POSITIVE attention for her movie roles and so on. But now, given that she's not acting, maybe she seeks attention in other ways. Maybe she doesn't know how to live without it.

Who knows? I certainly don't, but I can only assume. I think what she needs is intensive counceling and therapy, and not jail. Sure jail will get her to pay the price of her crimes, but that is only one part of the story. The other part, which we absolutely cannot ignore, is the fact that Lindsay needs help in recovering. And jail won't help with that. Therapy will.

1077 days ago
9.

TheUltraworld    

The Prosecution did a great job of parading Medical officials before the court to explain why Propofol is extremely dangerous outside an operating room. And how improper and criminal Murray's actions where. Murray's Lawyers have not impressed me one bit. They did very little to shut down the prosecutions testimony. I don't know where the defense is going to start. They had to abandon the "MJ did this to himself". Even if convicted, he will most likely get 2 years of home detention due to prison crowding.

1077 days ago
10.

LI_Mom    

Prosecutor-scmosecutor.

It all depends on whether the JURY has the brains to understand what the case is about & whether they have the patience to pay attention & then take the time to DELIBERATE in an honest manner.

Casey Anthony walked free even though the prosecutors presented a strong case. Her jurors were too confused by the LIES of the defense to even be able to consider what the prosecutor was showing them.

Only idiots would think Murray was not grossly negligent in taking this case AND then in how he handled himself once he arrived on the scene. His negligence when Michael OD'ed is not even debatable.

1077 days ago
11.

C Carroll Adams PhD    

It is to be expected that as soon as the prosecution concludes their case in chief the defense will make the pro forma motion for acquittal based on a lack of evidence. It is also expected that such a motion will be denied.

I have no doubt that the prosecution did make their case against Conrad Murray.

Paul White, MD, made a huge mistake writing a report that Michael Jackson could have taken a lot of Propofol orally and that accounted for the high levels in the body at autopsy. If White is such an expert he should have known about all the published articles concluding this is not possible.

What a gift for the prosecution if the defense does bring in good character witnesses for Murray. Chances are they will crumble under cross examination, and later on rebuttal the prosecution can bring on testimony to Murray's bad character.

1077 days ago
12.

Googie    

Yup!

1077 days ago
13.

Pegasus    

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1077 days ago
14.

xD    

Lindsay looks dead already. Watch out its alive!!!!

1077 days ago
15.

Jess Williams    

Dr. Murrays just got caught up in the time....I lay 95% on the family where was they. This been happen for years with Michael and his production company I lay blame cause he was push to perform. BUT THE FAMILY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKING THEY ARE THE BLAME NOT THE DR HE JUST GOT CAUGHT UP..

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