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Conrad Murray Wrongful Death Suit Tossed ... Almost

8/6/2010 7:15 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Dr. Conrad Murray could be temporarily off the hook in the federal wrongful death lawsuit involving Michael Jackson -- all because Joe Jackson left some key information out of the paperwork.

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TMZ has learned a federal judge is taking Jackson and his attorney Brian Oxman to task for failing to specify where two of the defendants -- health clinics where Dr. Murray practiced -- conduct their business.  Without that information the judge can't determine if the federal court has jurisdiction over the case.

The judge has given Jackson one week to amend the complaint or have the suit tossed.

Even if this case is dismissed, Dr. Murray might not be fully in the clear. Jackson has a lot of options -- including refiling the federal suit with Murray as the lone defendant.


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361.

r.schildt    

&The whole program to get Michael Jackson in shape for a 50 concert tour was inane.Touring is as taxing as a top athletic performance,even in his youth he lost considerable weight on each tour.
He needed a program like any top athlete to stand a chance of success.That means continuous medical follow up including checks
on health,i.e. weight,follow up on bloodvalues, diagnose any inflamations+ treat them,regular lab.tests,appropriate help with sleep problems,professional physiotherapy,physical and psychological preparation for his performance.
I doubt weather Kay Chase was sufficiently informed of the nutritional requirements for someone challenged on this level.
Murray´s administrations are below any mark.Did he have a clue as to the physical and mental agility Michaels performances demanded?Did he ever attend a training session from beg. to end?
And please take note that NO opiates were found at autopsy,only murray´s concoctions.-Have read that murray intends to use some
occasional weaknesses in Michaels training sessions as proof of addiction when he himself is to blame for deterioration of Michaels condition.-Did murray think he had finally discovered a panacea for all ills with propofol for sleep.-Once Michael died he starts saying he wanted to wean him off. He should have done that first thing-not last.Murray-Hippoctrates did not say:"Be nice and give the the patient what he wants."
Be nice and always give the pt what he wants.

1346 days ago
362.

r.schildt    

Re holistic medical approach to Michaels health problems:of course
Michael would have screamed NO and cried for the propofol.
Now all this should have been done weeks before he died.I know what happened to Cherilyn.-Having an MD after your name gives you
a lot of power to do good or bad.murray totally lacked integrity
and maybe professional knowhow too.I bet he never dealt with "difficult" patients,but with submissive people in awe of his titles and niceness.With difficult patients you need to be diplomatic.He could have consulted with top-specialists in any and all necessary fields.And done this without breaking the doc-
tor patient confidentiality.
Armed with all the knowledge he could have confronted ;Michael in a friendly rational manner laying all the cards on the table.-I cannot believe that he himself ever thought that Michael would pull through 50 concerts just with the propofol.
There may have been a chance Michael would have listened.I say
this because I am sure Michael did not want to die There are still o ther measures he could have used the last morning of Michaels life. But enough for now.

1345 days ago
363.

SaraJane    

Hey Cher,
I checked in & out briefly last night, so only getting a chance to reply to your post now, glad I could help a little..We are just tiny fish in a huge pond, if I can do my bit in trying to get justice for Michael (which is why came here)...then I will at least try. I hate injustice & the fact that those responsible for his death might walk because of the power they weild.
I Started reading "Campaign for Liberty'', I know you posted this link before, just getting time to read now..thanks for posting it again.
Regarding the dehydration issue on tour, I've seen that too, he always had Gatorade while on stage & in his dressing room to try to rehydrate and replenish fluid and electrolytes.
I remember when he was saying someone was trying to kill him at the end of the 05 trial & how D Gregory helped him...the thing is Michael knew he was innocent, the travesty is he was forced to prove it in a Kangeroo Court & a trial that should NEVER have happened given the Prosecutors MAJOR flawed evidence. He knew people were out to GET him fo a long time, & he/we know why.
Re- the excessive sweating, the guy was extremely skinny so he would have been extra sensitive to cold, that's why imo he was over dressed & also to hide the fact of how thin he had become, but excessive sweating is a symptom of dehydration, so all things considered, IMO he was dehydrated.
From what I remember reading re the coroner's report he had an acute Bronchial problem?- sorry Cher I may be wrong, I haven't read it in a while..
No 'Doctor' could be such a bumbling idiot given the chain of events & yes, it is MURDER....

1344 days ago
364.

SaraJane    

#437
Hey Cher,
I checked in & out briefly last night, so only getting a chance to reply to your post now, glad I could help a little..We are just tiny fish in a huge pond, if I can do my bit in trying to get justice for Michael (which is why came here)...then I will at least try. I hate injustice & the fact that those responsible for his death might walk because of the power they weild.
I Started reading "Campaign for Liberty'', I know you posted this link before, just getting time to read now..thanks for posting it again.
Regarding the dehydration issue on tour, I've seen that too, he always had Gatorade while on stage & in his dressing room to try to rehydrate and replenish fluid and electrolytes.
I remember when he was saying someone was trying to kill him at the end of the 05 trial & how D Gregory helped him...the thing is Michael knew he was inocent, the travesty is he was forced to prove it in a Kangeroo Court & a trial that should NEVER have happened given the Prosecutors MAJOR flawed evidence. He knew people were out to GET him fo a long time, & he/we know why.
Re- the excessive sweating, the guy was extremely skinny so he would have been extra sensitive to cold, that's why imo he was over dressed & also to hide the fact of how thin he had become, but excessive sweating is a symptom of dehydration, so all things considered, IMO he was dehydrated.
From what I remember reading re the coroner's report he had an acute Bronchial problem?- sorry Cher I may be wrong, I haven't read it in a while..
No 'Doctor' could be such a bumbling idiot given the chain of events & yes, it is MURDER....

1344 days ago
365.

SaraJane    

Apologies for the double post above.....

#442
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Firstly, I did not refer to a ''secret phone'' I referred to a second phone. My thought was the calls that murray made are on his phone record, ie to his Patient, Michael Amir, his gf etc that the LAPD know of.
why didn't all the other supposed participants have another phone? because why would they need to??
They are not of interest to the LAPD as far as I know.... but Murray is obviously.. no phone records for them..

In this respect, who knows if Murray called Phillips, Barrack. Anschutz or whoever would have gained from Michaels death, or if they called each other..or he called just one of them to set the ball rolling.., IF this was planned or not.

These are only MY thoughts..Nothing is set in stone..I may not agree with your opinions, but I have an open mind, so to refer to ANYONE'S thoughts / opinions as ''Preposterous'' or ''This idea gets nuttier by the second'' is gratuitous IMO.

1344 days ago
366.

Cherwood    

-#444: Hey r.schildt! Another thought-provoking post. Let me just say that I KNOW how willful Michael could be when he thought he knew what was best for him, but then, there was another side of him that believed in consulting a higher opinion. As we can see from the state of his finances throughout the years, he was a strong believer in delegation. Even Nanny Grace had a bank account just so she could conduct transactions for him when they were in Bahrain--remember, Prince Abdullah put money in HER account to pay bills--of course, it was actually Michael's account....
I'm saying all of this to say that we don't know that Michael wouldn't have been open to a holistic approach or any other approach if it was well-thought out and presented to him with sufficient backup. IMO, IF Murray was giving Michael the Propofol on a regulare basis as he claims, I think he simply took the easy way out and just decided to let Michael have his way. Remember, not only was Murray in dire need of the money from the Tour, but he also was desperate to maintain his lofty position as Doctor of the biggest star in the world. Even the cast and crew on TII said Murray walked around as if he was so important and seem to want to make sure they knew he who HE was and WHO he was working for. From what I understand, he knew Michael a few yrs back when he was called to the house in Vegas to treat MJ3's colds, but do you really think Michael kept up with him after that? Heck, his family didn't even have that much contact with him in those days. And Murray was called in 6 weeks before Michael passed--hardly enough time to build a strong friendship........
Bottom line, I think Murray should've done everything a REAL doctor would've done and if Michael wouldn't cooperate, he should've kept stepping...
Thing is, I know this is controversial, but I don't believe the Propofol story. And by that, I mean, I don't believe that Michael was running around begging for it from Nurse Cherilyn especially--why would he, if he was already getting it from Murray during the time she indicated, and LAPD found tons of vials of it at Holmsby? See what I mean? Doesn't add up.
I think it's like the most typical Murder plot: You figure out what murder weapon to use based on the person's habits and their Reputation--most people think Michael was an addict; there were rumors that he took Propofol during the History Tour; he was working hard prepping for his Tour and desperately needed rest, and he has had Insomnia since childhood according to his autobiography "Moonwalk". So armed with all of this info and knowing the media would happily blazon the info across every headline, they made their plan.
Now the tricky part is the fact that Murray DID administer the Propofol which is why he gets to be on trial in the first place. HOWEVER, IMO, the Propofol was administered AFTER Michael was already in distress and was probably given to him for the first time on 6/25.
I know some may have issues with this theory, but there's nothing we've seen so far to prove it wrong. And why did Murray give him so much of the Propofol THIS time--the amount you'd give for a major surgery, so much that it was in his STOMACH and coming out of his eyeballs according to the Coroner's report....despite the fact that he claimed he only gave him a small dosage?
This is why I personally believe Murray administered the Propofol to end Michael's life--there's no way he didn't know that would be lethal when he had already stacked him with benzos--which I also think was given to Michael as a cover for what really happened. IMO, the first and maybe 2nd benzo was administered in earnest, but the others were just to cover his tracks and corroborate his story....
I know this is thinking out of the box, so chew on it and let me know your thoughts as a medical expert--you too, Sarajane!!
-#445: Hey Sarajane! See the above to r.schildt, is for you as well.
And yes, Michael did have a Bronchial issue--I think the Coroner said his lungs were inflammed, but it was NOT a life-threatening issue...
As for the phone issue and Murray, I'm going to have to make it my first priority to find the article where it said Randy Phillips was called along with Michael Amir and one other on Murray's cellphone that day.
Come to think of it, you may have a point--he only needed to call one of them to get the ball rolling, and there WAS a report that stated Randy J. and Tohme were at the house when Michael went into distress--that's my other priority research...
To make myself crystal clear, I only think there were 2 people who ACTUALLY CARRIED OUT the murder, but there were at least 3 others who were involved and ORCHESTRATED it.....
Cher
No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER and MISS-U-SO-MUCH!!!

1344 days ago
367.

r.schildt    

Thank you,thank you Cheerwood for the refering to the"campaignforliberty.com article.I regret not reading it earlier.It confirmed a suspicion or a lead that has been in the back of my mind all along, but as it was not mentioned in the numerous "medical" posts and not in the autopsy report I let go of it.It is a real possibility and even probability that Michael
was overhydrated,that is he OD on water given by the iv infusions.
Something that struck me in the earlier reports was that Michael
had lost much weight and was like a skeleton.I recall that his weight was said to have dropped to 110lb,not 100% sure, but very low anyway,maybe 112lb.The autopsy reported a body weight of 136lb.That would make a difference of 24-25 lb. The autopsy weight of course included most of the water he got through the drips.Even if he was dehydrated to begin with this difference
is striking.So the coma was induced by water intoxication?
As I have mentioned before I don´t believe much of what murray is saying.One possibility is that he started the drips, fell asleep and forgot that water was going into Michael all the time.And he never checked for electrolytes ,a necessary monitoring during major infusions.A more twisted and malicious
theory is that this was done by some of the "back ground"figures,Thome-Thome and Randy Phillips said to be at the residence that morning.They had no business being in Michaels home what so ever.--The campaignforliberty article gives a good picture of the murky background of all really big and really dirty "players".To re-track a bit,Michael had some swelling of the brain according to autopsy.--How and by whom did the large propofol get into him still remains a mystery,maybe it was given to cause confusion re the exact cause of death.
The characters listed in above mentioned article all seem unscrupulous and quite able to pay murray off for services rendered.Also there seem to have been a concerted effort to make it look like a death from od of painkillers.

1344 days ago
368.

r.schildt    

Thank you,thank you Cheerwood for the reference to the"campaignforliberty.com article.I regret not reading it earlier.It confirmed a suspicion or a lead that has been in the back of my mind all along, but as it was not mentioned in the numerous "medical" posts and not in the autopsy report ,so I let go of it.It is a real possibility and even probability that Michael
was overhydrated,that is he OD on water given by the iv infusions.
Something that struck me in the earlier reports was that Michael
had lost much weight and was like a skeleton.I recall that his weight was said to have dropped to 110lb,not 100% sure, but very low anyway,maybe 112lb.The autopsy reported a body weight of 136lb.That would make a difference of 24-25 lb. The autopsy weight of course included most of the water he got through the drips.Even if he was dehydrated to begin with this difference
is striking.So the coma was induced by water intoxication?
As I have mentioned before I don´t believe much of what murray is saying.One possibility is that he started the drips, fell asleep and forgot that water was going into Michael all the time.And he never checked for electrolytes ,a necessary monitoring during major infusions.A more twisted and malicious
theory is that this was done by some of the "back ground"figures,Thome-Thome and Randy Phillips said to be at the residence that morning.They had no business being in Michaels home what so ever.--The campaignforliberty article gives a good picture of the murky background of all really big and really dirty "players".To re-track a bit,Michael had some swelling of the brain according to autopsy.--How and by whom did the large propofol get into him still remains a mystery,maybe it was given to cause confusion re the exact cause of death.
The characters listed in above mentioned article all seem unscrupulous and quite able to pay murray off for services rendered.Also there seem to have been a concerted effort to make it look like a death from od of painkillers.

1344 days ago
369.

girlygirlymormor    

don't let Dr. Murray Get away with the wrongful death suit. Equ. Oxman Mr. Joseph Jackson is the father of the Jackson's singing group. and he is now a man in his eighty's. This smooth, talker Dr. Murray did, inject into his son, drugs that took his life. Mr. Jackson, has lost a son, he was more to him than just someone who sang soul, music. He was his child. and this is a tremendou lost for Mr. Jackson, I as a fan of the entire, Jackson family,I empore you to continue with the wrong ful death law suiet.Please , put the correct addersses of those person's involed. promptly.

1343 days ago
370.

Cherwood    

-Hey r.schildt! Your welcome. I wanted to share that article because it was the first time I started really seeing the possibility of a conspiracy. Although I was intrigued by the "Puppetmaster Hints" posts all along, I still wasn't sure it had to be about all of that, but the article along with a few other posters here made me see the possibilities. The problem lies in being able to effectively PROVE what we believe. There are many theories out there, and in this case, More is NOT merrier--just makes the whole thing seem incredulous. Thing is, if there's an OUNCE of a chance that someone was involved with Murray in this--ESPECIALLY if they were the ones calling the shots, I want to see them brought to justice right along with him.
Unfortunately there are so many with a motive, but I think the article has a good grasp on who the Prime Suspects are. Of course, they don't include Randy J. or Jermy, but that could be because most people think there's no way they would've done anything to hurt their brother....and I hope they're right. Problem is, both brothers have already done things to hurt Michael in the past--Jermy with his "Word to the Badd" single....imagine the amount of bitterness and jealousy it would take to write, produce, record and market a single based on negative feelings against YOUR OWN BROTHER!! And he did this in spite of the fact that most Industry insiders told him it would be career suicide...which it was. And Randy, who Michael put in his highest position as his Business Mgr, tried to make deals behind MIchael's back and even possibly signed him to a contract with Darien Dash for $332 mil, despite the fact that MIchael told him he didn't want the loan....he also caused the Neverland staff to walk out after he failed to pay them and the Hayvenhurst staff. And here's the kicker--all of the above happened while Michael was struggling with the 2005 TRIAL....UNBELIEVABLE!!!
As for the attempt to make Michael's death look like an OD, I agree that's what they were attempting. I think based on Michael's track record and the Media's tactics, they knew that would work best. Here's where I realized that Murray had to be more than just a "poor bumbling idiot doctor who made a mistake," if he just made a mistake, why would there be the need to cover what REALLY happened? Why all of the conflicting evidence and inconsistent testimony?
There was definitely an IV drip setup according to the affidavit, but if I remember it correctly, they said the Propofol was NOT administered through the IV but as a "Bolus"(sp?) injection? Not sure if I got that right, but it always left me wondering why the IV setup was there....guess I need to reread the affidavit to clarify the medical side of things.......
Thanks once more for providing clarity on this subject. The CFL article is now even more clear for me regarding the whole rehydration issue thanks to you. Have to admit, the article resonated with me, but there were areas--medical specifically--that left me unclear.
Please stay with us on this journey to solving this CRIME OF THE CENTURY. We need people with your expertise!!
-
-#408: danger, thanks for the review of this issue. However, I thought on one of Cherilyn's interviews, she stated Michael or someone from his office called her ONE WEEK BEFORE HE DIED--remember, she gave two incidents when Michael asked for the Propofol, and this was the last time she claims he asked....I think it was the Interview where she stated she had a really bad feeling when she hung up....
Of course, I may be wrong so I'll have to revisit her Interviews on Youtube. Please realize that I have no intention of falsely accusing her or anyone else. It's just that I had some serious doubts and questions about her account of the events and I know that in cases like these, the answers usually lie in the last direction you would think to take, and the least likely person is the one who can lead you to the killer....not that I think she had anything to do with his death, but her involvement with him may have been used by the culprits to achieve the end result they wanted......
Cher
No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER and MISS-U-SO-MUCH!!!

1343 days ago
371.

Cherwood    

Hey guys--
Finally found the post with the links to articles stating Randy J. was at Holmsby with Michael when he passed......
Cher,
It was Alice who posted the links.
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1348. Brother Randy Jackson was with the singer when he collapsed. He was in the ambulance with his brother.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/274818

Posted at 9:31 AM on May 17, 2010 by Alice(from Romania)

1349. More than 10 members of the star's entourage followed the ambulance in two 4x4s with blacked-out windows. Jackson's brother Randy, who was with him ambulance in a bid to keep his blood flowing before taking him to the nearby UCLA Medical Centre.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2009/06/26/world-in-shock-as-king-of-pop-and-music-icon-michael-jackson-dies-aged-50-86908-21472673/
Posted at 9:46 AM on May 17, 2010 by Alice(from Romania)

1350. “His staff started mouth-to-mouth and an ambulance was called which got there in eight minutes “But found he was in full respiratory arrest, no breathing and no pulse. They started full CPR and rushed him to hospital.”
“When he arrived they started resuscitation, giving him heart shocks and inserted a breathing tube and other supportive measures to try and save his life.
“He never regained consciousness.The family was told that he had passed.”
The Jackson’s family lawyer, Brian Oxman, said Michael had collapsed at the home he rented in Los Angeles’ Holmby Hills, with his brother Randy Jackson present.
Posted at 9:56 AM on May 17, 2010 by Alice(from Romania)
Posted at 4:45 AM on Jul 18, 2010 by Yelena

Cher
No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER and MISS-U-SO-MUCH!!!

1343 days ago
372.

Cherwood    

danger,
Here is a link to an article that discusses Nurse Cherilyn's Interviews and claims about Michael asking for Diprivan/Propofol. In it they cite where she said she got a frantic call on June 21....
http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2009/07/michael_jackson_...
-Cher

1343 days ago
373.

Cherwood    

danger,
Sorry, but on 2nd look, the article from my last post was more about Michael's complaint of the hot/cold sensation, so it's not on point.
However, check the link below which has an article from ABC news on Nurse Cherilyn with a clearer statement that Michael was calling to ask for the Diprivan AND complain about the hot/cold body issue....
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=7975029&page=1
-Cher

1343 days ago
374.

r.schildt    

testing

1343 days ago
375.

r.schildt    

Ceerwood, I wrote you a comment explaining the bolus thing.
Don´t know why it disappeared.A bolus basically means that you give the whole dose in one go. It can be injected directly into a vein, but with propofol requires a pre-injection of lidocaine as it is painful and burning. An iv set often includes a Y-like
construction. the upper leg going into the vein, the 2 lover "arms", one is connected to the tube that comes out of the bottle or bag containing the iv infusion fluid, the second is sealed close and is there as a spare entry and you can inject directly into the same vein and avoid puncturing another vein.
Most likely a bolus would be given this way in Michaels case.
I have more concerns re the water overdose,but will leave it
for another post. I don´t know why my previous post was repeated so many times, I pressed it 1x and was told to wait, in about 20 min I pressed it a second time. I`ll stop for now and return later.

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