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Murray Trial

Jury Shouldn't Watch Nancy Grace

7/20/2011 10:30 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

Lawyers for Conrad Murray told the trial judge they don't want  Nancy Grace to pull a "Casey Anthony" on the jury -- so they asked the judge to prohibit jurors from watching her.

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Attorney Michael Flanagan argued that it was impractical to tell jurors they can't watch TV - because they simply will.  So Flanagan asked Judge Michael Pastor to sequester the jury, O.J. style.  The judge told Flanagan to file a motion and he'd consider it, although the judge did say he thought sequestering was both unnecessary and too expensive.

Flanagan pressed his claim for outtakes from the "This Is It" rehearsals -- something Sony doesn't want to cough up.  Sources tell us ... Flanagan wants the outtakes to show there were periods where Michael Jackson appeared to be on drugs. 

In a telling comment, Judge Pastor said, "This case is going to focus on the charge, not personal lifestyle."

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46.

Observer...ICU    

People are giving Nanacy Grace way too much power by giving her credit for the potential actions of others. She is not the world's babysitter nor is she an X-man with the wonderful power of mind control. She is entitled to her opinion just like anyone. Nutty people are going to get rowled up at the smallest things. I mean really, should everyone stop voicing how they fill just because the world contains millions of pychotic mindless sheep?

1192 days ago
47.

noneofyourbusiness    

You can say what you want about Nancy Grace, but most people bash her withou*****ching her show on a regular basis. If it were not for her, thousands of families would not get the attention to their case or the needed pressure that is put on local law enforcement to work harder to solve the crimes. Yeah, she is very harsh most of the time, but at least she has the balls to say what she thinks and feels.

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Muppet about an hour ago Seems to me this should be a clear cut case. The doctor was administering a drug that he had no business giving outside of a hospital situation. For that alone he should never practice again. Whether he killed MJ or not I don't think will ever be proven. MJ had serious issues with drugs or he would not have been using this drug for sleep purposes. Maybe if they do end up charging him with MJ's death it will stop other doctors from giving medications to celebs for a big pay off instead of following ethics. This is another case of no one winning. MJ is gone and nothing will bring him back. Maybe people should have fought this hard to get MJ off drugs! It's too bad that the $$$ made so many people turn a blind eye to what was going on. His parents and family included!

ALL I SAY IS THANK GOD YOURE NOT ON ANY JURY......MJ WAS A SERIOUS DRUG ADDICT AND DR MURRAY WAS THE LAST DOCTOR IN HIS PAWN TO GET DRUGS...SO TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR A DRUG ADDICTS DEATH IS WAY TOO SILLY FOR WORDS. THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MICHAELS DEATH IS MICHAEL HIMSELF! BUT MUST ADMIT THAT NANCY GRACE DID VILIFY HIM EVEN BEFORE THE TRAIL ENDED...JUST LIKE CASEY ANTHONY.....I DO BELIEVE HER POMPUS WAYS DESTROYED THE CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL. SHE IS SUCH A BITCH THAT WHEN ONE OF HER PANELIST DISAGREES WITH HER , SHE CUTS THEM OFF AND LOOKS FOR SOMEONE ON THE PANEL THAT WILL AGREE WITH HER. WIKI THE BITCH AND YOU'LL READ SHE WAS NOT THAT GREAT OF A LWAYER EITHER, SO WHY DONT SHE TAKE HER TWO UGLY AZZ BRATS AND WIMPY HUSBAND AND GO TO HADES WHERE SHE AND HER DEVIL KIDS BELONG. WE ALL KNOW SHE WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT FAMILY WHILE HER WIMP AZZ HUSBAND WEARS THE TAMPONS!

1192 days ago
49.

Kevin    

If Nance Grace were so influential wouldn't Casey Anthony be behind bars right now? It doesn't make any sense why they would single her out other than she's just annoying.

1192 days ago
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HumanNature 17 minutes ago HATERS (OVERLY REPRESSIVE WHITE MEN AND SOME WOMEN) ARE AFRAID OF AN INTELLIGENT, EDUCATED, ARTICULATE, STRONG WILL, "IN YOUR FACE", SOUTHERN WHITE WOMAN!!!!

YOU ROCK, NANCY GRACE!!!

JUSTICE 4 MJ & CAYLEE

ANOTHER AZZ KISSER FOR NANCY GRACE....JUSTICE WAS SERVED FOR CAYLEE...HER MOTHER WAS AQUITTED, YOU STUPID ASS OLE AND AS FOR NANCY...SHE IS WHAT BREAST CANCER LOOKS LIKE OUTSIDE THE HUMAN BODY.....ONE DAY SHE IS GOING TO VILIFY THE WRONG PERSON AND THEY WILL TAKE THIS (K) UNT OUT! WHY NOT JOIN HER BITCH!

1192 days ago
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Muppet    

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Muppet about an hour ago Seems to me this should be a clear cut case. The doctor was administering a drug that he had no business giving outside of a hospital situation. For that alone he should never practice again. Whether he killed MJ or not I don't think will ever be proven. MJ had serious issues with drugs or he would not have been using this drug for sleep purposes. Maybe if they do end up charging him with MJ's death it will stop other doctors from giving medications to celebs for a big pay off instead of following ethics. This is another case of no one winning. MJ is gone and nothing will bring him back. Maybe people should have fought this hard to get MJ off drugs! It's too bad that the $$$ made so many people turn a blind eye to what was going on. His parents and family included!

ALL I SAY IS THANK GOD YOURE NOT ON ANY JURY......MJ WAS A SERIOUS DRUG ADDICT AND DR MURRAY WAS THE LAST DOCTOR IN HIS PAWN TO GET DRUGS...SO TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR A DRUG ADDICTS DEATH IS WAY TOO SILLY FOR WORDS. THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MICHAELS DEATH IS MICHAEL HIMSELF! BUT MUST ADMIT THAT NANCY GRACE DID VILIFY HIM EVEN BEFORE THE TRAIL ENDED...JUST LIKE CASEY ANTHONY.....I DO BELIEVE HER POMPUS WAYS DESTROYED THE CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL. SHE IS SUCH A BITCH THAT WHEN ONE OF HER PANELIST DISAGREES WITH HER , SHE CUTS THEM OFF AND LOOKS FOR SOMEONE ON THE PANEL THAT WILL AGREE WITH HER. WIKI THE BITCH AND YOU'LL READ SHE WAS NOT THAT GREAT OF A LWAYER EITHER, SO WHY DONT SHE TAKE HER TWO UGLY AZZ BRATS AND WIMPY HUSBAND AND GO TO HADES WHERE SHE AND HER DEVIL KIDS BELONG. WE ALL KNOW SHE WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT FAMILY WHILE HER WIMP AZZ HUSBAND WEARS THE TAMPONS!
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The problem as I see it is two fold! There is the problem of MJ being a drug addict and CM being a doctor that administered a drug to MJ that should NOT have been administered outside a hospital! Of course CM did it for $$$ but as a doctor he should have held himself to the code of ethics for doctors and NOT given MJ the propofol! Do you get it now?? They're both at fault!
The problem of doctors giving meds to "celebs" for a price has to stop as well. They wouldn't find themselves in these situations if they didn't give out drugs to patients that they didn't need in order to line their pockets with $$$!
I blame MJ first for his death, then CM! Then his family and all his enablers!

1192 days ago
52.

andre    

it'll be different, hes black!!!

1192 days ago
53.

smd    

They can'*****ch Nancy Grace cause she's Satan left nut and a poor excuse for a human being. They should make a movie called Saw:The Nancy Grace,Gloria Allred Edition.

1192 days ago
54.

smd    

Oh you can throw in Ann Coulter too....she satan's taint!

1192 days ago
55.

Butterfly    

I SAID IT BEFORE AND I will say it again! Nancy Grace has a RATTLESNAKE in her mouth! She is the snake that refuses to LET GO
regardless how she has DELIBERATELY made a career of falsely accusing innocent people of wrongdoing without actual proof! Case in point, former US Congressman, Gary Condit, whom she destroyed, forever!!! Yes, as a married man, he was out of line for having an affair with a young intern who knew he was married and later found murdered. Nancy Grace was constantly on his back as the killer which turned out to be false. She has never, never found the decency to even apologize for having wrecked his like and that of his family! Obviously, her sponsors and television network fully agree with her vicious, vicious tongue. Hopefully, the public, finally, will stop buying their products which will kick her off TV and, print, forever!!! Hopefully, her admiring public will finally see how flawed she is in character and turn away from her as she deserves. Sorry to say all this but, some of us have to stop her from any further damage to innocent people. Please think about it. How would some of you feel if these horrible accusations were about you or one of your loved ones? It's different when it hits home, isn't it??? Thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

1192 days ago
56.

MiMi    

Who is Nancy Grace?


Quotations
On Scott Peterson: “Guilty as charged.”
On Robert Blake: “Guilty as sin.”

On Michael Schiavo: “A philandering scuzz.”

On Dennis Rader, the BTK killer: “A lowlife coward.”

On Sarah Johnson, an Idaho woman convicted of killing her parents: “The devil’s seed.”[link]

On the second Michael Jackson trial, speaking on "Larry King Live," CNN, Feb. 21, 2003: "But I'm telling you, this boy, two-thirds of this can be corroborated by other people. So why would he lie about the molestation part? It is in graphic detail. It just seems true... I think Michael Jackson walks. And I think it's a disgrace. He's guilty." [link]

"It was a 13-year-old Hispanic boy who took on Michael Jackson in court. And tonight, it's not guilty, by reason of celebrity."

To the jury foreman in the second trial: "Mr. Rodriguez? Can I ask you a question? What do you think a grown man up in his 40s is doing sleeping with one little boy after the next, all by himself, locked up in his bedroom, every night? That doesn't bother you? It bothers me." [link]

"I'm on a search for the truth," she says during a recent visit to the District to promote her new book, "Objection!," in which the former prosecutor calls defense attorneys "dangerous" and compares them to pigs. The way Grace sees it, prosecutors want to do what's right, whereas defense attorneys are unethical and just want to win. She'd never cross over to what she calls the "dark side" because "I don't really want to have any part of getting guilty people off." [link]

On [defense lawyers]: "They lie, they cheat, they'll say anything. They walk a thin line that I don't even want to get near. Like in the [David Westerfield] case. They knew the whole time he did it, because he knew where her body was, and they used that as a bargaining chip to improve his situation. But when that didn't work [the police found the body on their own], they proceeded to drag the Van Damns through the mud. It's disgusting. Some people argue that the prosecution just wants to get a conviction. What joy would I get out of sending the wrong person to jail?" [link]

On on-air debates: "When I get into an argument on the air, the man can always yell louder, if a man fights like hell, he's being forceful; if I raise my voice and fight like hell, I'm being a shrew and a bitch." [link]

On the death penalty:(the argument that it costs more to appeal death row convictions than to imprison someone for life.) "Ken Starr gave me the perfect comeback on that," she scoffs. "How many millions of dollars were we willing to spend to show that the President had oral sex?" [link]

At the end of each show, Grace usually says goodbye to her viewers with some form of the following message: "I want to thank all of my guests for being with us tonight. But my biggest thank you is to you, for being with us, and inviting us into your homes. Coming up, headlines from all around the world. I'm Nancy Grace, signing off for tonight. Hope to see you right here tomorrow night, eight o'clock sharp Eastern, and until then, goodnight, friend."


Criticism
Controversy over fiance's murder trial
In March 2006 an article in the New York Observer suggested that Grace had embellished the story of her fiancé's murder and the ensuing trial to make it better support her image as an avenger of the judicial system's wrongs.

Her fiancé, Keith Griffin, was shot not by a random stranger on the street, but by an embittered former coworker.
Tommy McCoy, who was convicted of the killing, was five years younger than Grace claimed, and did not have a prior criminal record.
Rather than constantly denying the crime, he confessed the night of the murder.
The jury deliberated for a few hours, not days as Grace claims.
Prosecutors asked for the death penalty on their own, without consulting Grace. Both the defense and the prosecutors believe that the jury chose life imprisonment instead of death penalty, because McCoy was mildly retarded in addition to his previously clean record.
There was no ongoing string of appeals (McCoy's family did not want any). McCoy has only once filed a habeas petition, which was rejected.
The killing occurred in 1979, not 1980, and Griffin was two years younger than Grace has claimed.
Neither the prosecutor nor McCoy's lawyer recall her doing anything significant at the trial beyond identifying Griffin's wallet when it was introduced into evidence.
Grace told the Observer she had not looked into the case in many years and "(tried) not to think about it." She said she was told initially that McCoy had denied the crime (the officer who took him into custody said he remained silent during his entire trip to jail). She said she made her previous statements about the case "with the knowledge I had." Her mother told the paper she has repeatedly advised her daughter to let it go.


Appellate courts
Although Grace never lost a felony case at trial, a few of her convictions have been overturned on appeal, and her professional ethics have been called into question by higher courts.
The Georgia Supreme Court has harshly criticized Grace twice, first in a 1994 heroin trafficking case, Bell v. State, in which it was said that she "exceeded the wide latitude of closing argument" by referring to the defendant's prior convictions for violent felonies which were not at issue in the case.

In 1997, the court was more severe. Although its decision overturning the murder-arson conviction of businessman Wayne Weldon Carr in the death of his wife turned primarily on other issues, the court cited Grace's "inappropriate and illegal conduct in the course of the trial." For example:


Her opening statement in the case promised the jury evidence of physical abuse that she had to know would never be admissible, since that entire aspect of the case had already been excluded by the judge.
Subpoenas that contained hearing dates Grace knew to be false.
Failure to disclose a full witness list to the defense in a timely fashion.
Showing a chart during closing arguments that falsely stated a defense expert had not contradicted the state's case on a key issue.
Also, during closing argument, "vouching" for the case by telling the jury she herself believed Carr to be guilty.
And finally, performing two illegal searches of Carr's house, including one in which she was accompanied by a CNN camera crew.
While the court said its reversal was not due to these transgressions, since the case had turned primarily on cir****tantial evidence, it nevertheless concluded "the conduct of the prosecuting attorney in this case demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness, and was inexcusable." Carr was freed in 2004 when a judge ruled Fulton County had waited too long to retry him.
Even courts that have upheld convictions she has won have criticized her conduct. In a blistering 2005 opinion, a panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals said Grace "played fast and loose" with her ethical duties and failed to "fulfill her responsibilities" as a prosecutor in the 1990 triple murder trial of Herbert Connell Stephens. She failed to turn over evidence that pointed to other suspects to his defense. The court noted that it was "difficult to conclude that Grace did not knowingly" elicit false testimony from a police investigator that there were no other suspects despite strong evidence to the contrary. [link] [link]


Presumption of guilt
Grace has received strong criticism for her public comments about trials involving the Michael Jackson trial and the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. Some claim that Grace's strong pro-prosecution stance and her tendency to declare the guilt of an accused individual before trial subverts one of the fundamental principles of the criminal justice system, the presumption of innocence.
One of the best examples of Grace commenting on matters sub judice occurred in the Smart case, when suspect Richard Ricci was arrested by police on the basis that he had a criminal record and had worked on the Smarts' home. Grace immediately and repeatedly proclaimed on CourtTV and CNN's Larry King that Ricci "was guilty", although there was little evidence to support this claim. She also suggested publicly that Ricci's girlfriend was involved in the coverup of his alleged crime. Grace continued to malign Ricci, though he has since died.

It was later revealed that Smart was kidnapped by Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee, two individuals with whom Richard Ricci had no connection. Grace has never publicly apologized to Ricci's family, and continued to defend her assumption that he was involved in the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart.

Magestic the Magician, a friend of Michael Jackson's, told Paula Zahn that Michael "didn't let him down." Rather, "I'll tell you who let me down: Nancy Grace, Lisa Bloom, Diane Dimond -- convicted a man in the press. That's what I mean, all of them should be fired for doing what they did. It's horrible. You're a reputable journalist, and you do good work. I respect you. That's why I agreed to do your show. But the rest of them, I'm telling you, they're no good." [link]

Media critics have suggested that Grace believes all suspects are guilty until proven innocent, but Grace says that's ridiculous: She claims she's passionate about putting guilty people in jail, and it just so happens she doesn't need juries to tell her who those guilty people are. [link]


Missing white women
Grace has been criticized as one of the prime media practitioners of "missing white woman syndrome". She has given the Holloway case a lot of attention, but has also vigorously defended Jennifer Wilbanks, the Atlanta-area woman who staged her own disappearance. Despite evidence showing planning and intent to deceive, Grace was opposed to the idea that Wilbanks, who later pled guilty to making false statements, should be charged with anything. In her defense, Grace occasionally airs cases of people who have gone missing or who have been victimized and aren't receiving the same high-profile national attention. Many of these cases involve African-American women and children. In general, the criticism of Nancy Grace suggests that her passion overwhelms her legalistic reasoning.

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1192 days ago
57.

Vinsetta    

She'll be on tonight with, among many, lame ass "finger quotes" about some story about her in TMZ and we have this thing called "the first amendment". Something Brits don't have, I know Disgrace.

1192 days ago
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Muppet about an hour ago Seems to me this should be a clear cut case. The doctor was administering a drug that he had no business giving outside of a hospital situation. For that alone he should never practice again. Whether he killed MJ or not I don't think will ever be proven. MJ had serious issues with drugs or he would not have been using this drug for sleep purposes. Maybe if they do end up charging him with MJ's death it will stop other doctors from giving medications to celebs for a big pay off instead of following ethics. This is another case of no one winning. MJ is gone and nothing will bring him back. Maybe people should have fought this hard to get MJ off drugs! It's too bad that the $$$ made so many people turn a blind eye to what was going on. His parents and family included!

ALL I SAY IS THANK GOD YOURE NOT ON ANY JURY......MJ WAS A SERIOUS DRUG ADDICT AND DR MURRAY WAS THE LAST DOCTOR IN HIS PAWN TO GET DRUGS...SO TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR A DRUG ADDICTS DEATH IS WAY TOO SILLY FOR WORDS. THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MICHAELS DEATH IS MICHAEL HIMSELF! BUT MUST ADMIT THAT NANCY GRACE DID VILIFY HIM EVEN BEFORE THE TRAIL ENDED...JUST LIKE CASEY ANTHONY.....I DO BELIEVE HER POMPUS WAYS DESTROYED THE CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL. SHE IS SUCH A BITCH THAT WHEN ONE OF HER PANELIST DISAGREES WITH HER , SHE CUTS THEM OFF AND LOOKS FOR SOMEONE ON THE PANEL THAT WILL AGREE WITH HER. WIKI THE BITCH AND YOU'LL READ SHE WAS NOT THAT GREAT OF A LWAYER EITHER, SO WHY DONT SHE TAKE HER TWO UGLY AZZ BRATS AND WIMPY HUSBAND AND GO TO HADES WHERE SHE AND HER DEVIL KIDS BELONG. WE ALL KNOW SHE WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT FAMILY WHILE HER WIMP AZZ HUSBAND WEARS THE TAMPONS!
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The problem as I see it is two fold! There is the problem of MJ being a drug addict and CM being a doctor that administered a drug to MJ that should NOT have been administered outside a hospital! Of course CM did it for $$$ but as a doctor he should have held himself to the code of ethics for doctors and NOT given MJ the propofol! Do you get it now?? They're both at fault!
The problem of doctors giving meds to "celebs" for a price has to stop as well. They wouldn't find themselves in these situations if they didn't give out drugs to patients that they didn't need in order to line their pockets with $$$!
I blame MJ first for his death, then CM! Then his family and all his enablers!

No I dont get it..like I dont get druggies.....and anyone doing drugs deserves whats coming to them...no way if i was on that jury would i convict dr murray...i'd have to go all the way back and see where he first got the drug from......michael was a manipulator and if you didnt do what he wanted he banned you from his life...Diana Ross tried to talk to him about his problem and he dismissed her and avoided her for years, but he could see fit to leave his kids to her, which is the best thing for them when that greedy mother of his dies..Diana does not need those kids money like the rest of those pathetic jacksons..so all in all the druggie did this to himself and like the jacksons, will find the blame with someone else. SO I SEE ANOTHER AQUITTAL IN THE FUTURE! TEAM MURRAY ALL THE WAY!

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60.

Tasos    

Nancy Grace has every right to be as pro-victim, and subsequently pro-prosecution as she cares to be, and as much as her superiors will permit her to maintain her stance. I would much rather have Nancy Grace and other Press members on the side of the law and advocating for crime victims, as Grace does, rather than adopt a much more liberal pro-criminal stance, which often includes the faulting of victims and putting them on trial; add insult and hardship to injury.

It also is a fair and reasonable concern that jurors who hear Press argue a viewpoint may be influenced. However, a Court order to sequester jurors would be a bit extreme and expensive, especially during these times of economic decline. Perhaps the matter of influence by Nancy Grace or any other Press source, may be addressed by expecting adult jurors to behave as adults, and to therefore honor the Court's Order to neither watch, read, nor listen to ANY Press commentary about Jackson's death, or his family's reaction, or about Dr. Morris. The Court could reiterate its Order throughout the term of the trial to ensure that it jurors uphold it.

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