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I'm a Full-Blown Vegan Now!

8/18/2011 12:00 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF


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Bill Clinton dives headfirst into veganism -- but Bubba beware ... we explain why eating just "the vegetables" isn't enough sometimes. Plus, why the investigation into Casey Anthony's lawyer is "insane" ... according to Harvey and Jason.

And ... we got Octomom on the horn to talk about her swimming pool war with the city -- and can she ever talk ... and talk, and talk, and... 

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(4:30) Casey Anthony's lawyer Jose Baez is being investigated ... for a reason Harvey and Jason think is "insane ."
(6:50) Charles throws a hissy fit.
(18:40) Charles admits ... his opinion has been swayed.
(21:00) Brace yourselves -- Octomom is on the phone to explain the drama surrounding her swimming pool situation.
(22:00) *Sigh*
(24:30) Ryan attempts to talk to Octomom. Fail.
(27:10) Finally, an end to the longest 6 minutes in TMZ Live history.
(32:15) Multiple updates on Russell Armstrong's suicide.
(36:30) Bill Clinton is vegan now? THE Bill Clinton? Yep. So chew on this: The pros and cons of 86'ing meat from your diet.
(39:00) Jonny's diet is "straight meat."
(45:10) Video of a GNARLY basketball brawl.

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31.

Ron    

No pool with all those kids agreed. Check the scale of the pool in the picture there's about 15 " of water in it not 4'. But again, kids can drown in the bathtub if not supervised.

1125 days ago
32.

some guy    

Nuts like almonds are a good source of protein I've heard.

1125 days ago
33.

Beckylynn420    

http://www.naturalnews.com/031883_vegans_criminals.html they got thirty years

1125 days ago
34.

starshine79    

formula, guys! what animal does similac come from?

1125 days ago
35.

Irene    

Vegan - My sister is vegan and raised her dog like that. The dog started eating rocks and eventually died from non protein diet.

1125 days ago
36.

JP    

Damn, can you mute Octomom... She talks way too much. She's an attention whore.

1125 days ago
37.

Nancy    

9-MONTH OLD GIRL DIES FROM VEGAN MALNUTRITION - UK, 2001

Baby death parents spared jail

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1542293.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1542000/1542293.stm
Friday, 14 September, 2001
The parents of a nine-month-old girl who died after being fed a fruit-based diet have been spared a jail sentence.
Areni Manuelyan died of a chest infection, brought on by malnutrition in July 2000 weighing just eleven and a half pounds, six pounds less than she should have. At her post mortem she was found to be markedly thin, dehydrated and to have severe pneumonia - all of which could be linked to malnutrition. At their trial, her parents, Garabet and Hazmik Manuelyan, both 45, pleaded guilty to child cruelty.
That would normally have resulted in a prison sentence. But at the Old Bailey on Friday, Judge David Paget said what had happened to the family was punishment enough.

Loving but misguided
The Armenian couple, from Staines, Surrey, described as "loving but misguided" in court, were placed under a community rehabilitation order for three years. Mrs Manuelyan still sleeps on the blanket that last held Areni.
She was described by Linda Strudwick who was defending her as "a mother who cared passionately for her children. Perhaps she cared too much."
The couple's two other children have been taken into care.
Judge Paget said: "This is a wholly exceptional and tragic case.
"You have been punished and will continue to be punished by the consequences of your actions."

Concerns
The couple were vegans, but in 1996 switched to a fruitarian diet consisting of raw vegetables, fruit and nuts.
After Areni's birth on 8 September 1999, the family saw a paediatrician who said the baby was not developing properly, and that her mother's breastmilk was nutritionally deficient. Other doctors and social workers warned against the diet.
But the court was told the couple had shown a "stubborn refusal", and would not follow the advice.
Later, the family went to live on a vegetarian commune in Spain, where they believed Areni's Vitamin D deficiency would be cured by sunlight. The couple believed all Areni needed was "sunshine and fruit".
They returned to the UK in July 2000 when Areni became seriously ill. A doctor who the couple went to see, who specialised in oxygen therapy, told Areni's parents she needed to be taken to hospital immediately. But Mr Manuelyan, a bus driver, was said to be worried about the chemicals his daughter may be treated with, and the couple ignored the advice.
On July 5, 2000, an ambulance was called to the family home because Areni had stopped breathing. She was taken to hospital and later certified dead. A nutritionist said even if she had been taken to hospital the day before her death, she could have survived.

'Ill-advised'
Nutritionists say a fruitarian, or fruit-only diet, is completely ill-advised for such a small child. They add that even adults need to be careful not to stick to a fruit-only diet for too long.
Catherine Collins, a spokeswoman for the British Dietetic Association, (BDA) said some fruitarians did eat raw vegetables or pulses. But she said: "The main problem for a nine-month old child is that they need a very high calorie to weight intake."
Without that, she said babies of that age - and younger - would not have the fuel they need for muscle growth, organ growth and brain development. They would miss out on proteins, iron, calcium, essential fatty acids and raw fibre, which will all affect their development.
BDF paediatric dietician Nicole Dos Santos said babies would also need the fat and nutrients they would receive from breast or bottle milk, and it was important babies received one or the other. She said a fruit-only diet was unsuitable for a child. "This is not a diet a child should be put on."

1125 days ago
38.

Lori    

I AGREE with Charles, if Jose ever knew that this issue could come up, he should of addressed it at that TIME, because it turned out to not benefit her after all. You rock Charles!

1125 days ago
39.

cookielyor1    

Hey Harvey, here is a link with several stories of parents who killed their children by refusing to alter their vegan diet.
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

1125 days ago
40.

Irish    

Here's the 2007 case Emmett was talking about: WHEN Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty. Here's the vegan infant death article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html?_r=1&em&ex=1179892800&en=c13b188909ccc60...3&ei=5087%0A

1125 days ago
41.

JP    

Harvey, hope you're taking vit B12 vitamins; this is one vitamin that is deficient vegetarians & vegans. Also did you know when taking a combination of vitamins some vitamins cancel out other vitamins and minerals. ie. calcium & vit.C

1125 days ago
42.

Karen    

Harey, if you look it up there have been 5 babies that have died from parents that are vegans and most since 2001. Most of parents that were convicted lived outside of US

1125 days ago
43.

Annie    

if the mother is vegan - Then she could have used baby formula to give the child the best!!

1125 days ago
44.

Pat    

REDSOXS RULE.....YANKEES SUCK!!! that is all!

1125 days ago
45.

youdontknowjacque    

It's the Japanese who are customarily respectful... China may be to a certain extent, but it's probably due more to the fact they are under communist rule... they must behave a certain way, or suffer the consequences.

1125 days ago
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