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Michael Jackson's Mom Cleans House

4/27/2010 5:00 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

TMZ has learned ... Katherine Jackson is downsizing the number of grandchildren in her San Fernando Valley mansion -- and the stun gun incident was the catalyst.


Sources with direct knowledge of the situation tell TMZ ...  Katherine has told Alejandra Genevieve Oaziaza -- who is currently living at the estate, along with two of her kids by Randy Jackson and two others by Jermaine Jackson -- that she must take the kids and move out of the estate next week, because supervising seven children is just too much for the 79-year-old grandmother.

But don't think Katherine is heartless.  It's the opposite.  She's moving Alejandra, along with Jaafar, Jermajesty, Donte and Randy Jr. to a San Fernando Valley condo owned by the estate.

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We're told the move was prompted by the stun gun incident last month. TMZ broke the story that 13-year-old Jaafar bought a stun gun online and fired it in the house.  Sources say Jaafar pointed the gun at two of Michael's kids, but the family denies that. 

The L.A. County Department of Children and Family Services came to the estate, took the gun and interviewed people in the home, and it became apparent seven kids were too much for Katherine to handle. 

So as of next week, Prince, Paris and Blanket will have the run of the mansion, unobstructed.


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1156.

Tellit    

C..Well, that second link did have comments on it when I first read it. NOW it says "comments removed". Hmmm
Several Lopez related links that were available are now showing "ERROR"
I'll try this one again. When I pulled it up a few minutes ago...it had a new comment re Lopez. However all the previous ones have been removed.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=6260...4&o=1&rv=1273044359952&gta=commentslistpos#commentslistpos
thanks for the new link re Bain/Venerable/etc.

1611 days ago
1157.

Tellit    

Peter Lopez, husband of Catherine Bach of "Dukes of Hazzard", dead
Peter Lopez, the husband of Catherine Bach of The Dukes of Hazzard and was an attorney for Michael Jackson, is dead in Encino, California. Peter Lopez is a name partner in the LA entertainment law firm Kleinberg, Lopez, Lange, Cuddy & Klein LLP (KLLCL), a 10-member law firm.
Peter Lopez was born in San Francisco June 7th, 1949 and admitted to the California bar in 1974. Lopez received both his B.S. and his J.D from UCLA. He's a meber of the Beverly Hills and American Bar Associations, the State Bar of California and the Mexican-American Bar Association.
KLLCL's website describes Peter Lopez in this way:
Peter Lopez is one of the most respected and well known entertainment lawyers in the country. Over the past two decades, Mr. Lopez has represented some of the biggest stars in the world as well as numerous major corporate clients. He is one of the founding partners of Kleinberg Lopez Lange Cuddy & Klein, LLP.
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger appointed Peter Lopez to the California State Athletic Commission in 2007, and more recently the Director of the California Exposition and State Fair Board.
With all of this success why would Lopez allegedly commit suicide? According to a number of sources like E!Online, paramedics and police responded to a 911 call at 11:30 AM today, Friday from the home of Catherine Bach. Gun shots were reported to have been fired at Bach's home and Bach told police that Lopez shot himself.
Why?
Catherine Bach and Peter Lopez married in 1990 and have two children.
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dancybell5/1/2010 10:21:23 PM
What a coincidence that a lawyer who had been loyal to MJ, who had been his last attorney, from 2006 onwards, and who could have given evidence concerning the dubious will of July 2007, has died from “apparent suicide”. How strange that such successful man, happily married, with two young daughters, had wanted to commit suicide. It doesn’t fit. And besides, this is the second case of “apparent suicide” of people related to MJ’s life –the previous one being Evan Chandler’s- who could perhaps have given relevant information, leading to reveal the names of the ones involved in the murder of Michael Jackson. Rather, it all looks as if there were a criminal organization behind these deaths, seeking to silence people who represent a potential threat to them. But what it is really “apparent” and astonishing is the impunity with which they act. First, Michael Jackson, second, Evan Chandler, third, Peter Lopez. Three “apparent” murders but NO JUSTICE, NO INVESTIGATION, NO CONVICTED. The injustice is so blatant that it seems as if the System of Justice had turned into a SYSTEM OF INJUSTICE, who works in cooperation with the criminals, that is, as if it had become corrupted. I wonder whether they think we people are stupid or whether they don’t care about us. And I think that, as Michael said, the answer is: THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT US!!!!!! So, I think it is high time to imitate “THE MAN IN THE MIRROR” and “DO CHANGE THINGS”!!!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=6260...4
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Heck, we can't even solve one mystery, and more pop up!

1611 days ago
1158.

Tellit    

Chico the link you provided #1187 isn't working. Says not found.

1611 days ago
1159.

Tellit    

Chico the link you provided #1187 isn't working. Says not found.

1611 days ago
1160.

Tellit    

Nevermind my post #1191, I found a different link
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1560...5980/Raymone-Bain-vs-Michael-Jackson-lawsuit and just like Alices it probably won't work and you'll have to delete the ....and paste the link to the browser.
Remember: this is the same legal do***ent that Alice (of Romania) posted on 04/30 on the MJs Mother Cleans House board.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/27/michael-jackson-katherine-tito-jermaine-paris-prince-blanket-jaafar-jermajesty-donte/62/
pg 62. (we had trouble getting it to post because it kept throwing some ....into the link)
Alices post of the do***ent (and it showing MJs representation by Lopez) is what got me to start questioning the whole Lopez suicide which had just been reported that same day. 4/30.
965. If Raymone Bain actually provided the often complex & diverse services (and she does/did have a good business reputation) that she claims - then she's been royally screwed by the "King". It seems she'd have plenty of evidence to back it up. It also seems a little odd that if she (allegedly) was instrumental in putting together the 25th Thriller CD deal that, even though she was still in his employ, she'd have no knowledge of Jackson's compensation until a year after the fact? Her alleged list of services and accomplishments is impressive.
Re the "why" would Bain remain with Michael Jackson if she was owed so much and had gone without compensation for such a length of time? Why do some women stay in a bad marriage? (it'll get better..It'll pay off in the end/he'll change/cir***stances will change/I've invested this much time and trouble why throw it away now/loyalty/trust/dedication? God only knows the reasoning/(or lack of) behind some women's (or for that matter men's) decisions?
Posted at 2:23 PM on Apr 30, 2010 by Tellit



967. Peter Lopez, Catherine Bachs husband, was at one time one of Michael Jackson music attorneys.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/30/catherine-bach-husband-peter-lopez-dead-suicide/#comments



http://x17online.com/celebrities/catherine_bach/breaking_news_daisy_duke_actress_husband_found_dead_at_home-04302010.php#comments
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302533,00.html
Posted at 3:03 PM on Apr 30, 2010 by Tellit

1611 days ago
1161.

evej41    

no that is the ex-wife in the picture, and yes it is shameful about the two having the same woman but dont just blame them, back in the days they did alot of sharing .... even some of the people on here have shared once in their life time or knew that their cousin or brother done hit that and did too.... but that is not the point the point there are children involved and they are old enough to read so let's keep it respectful .....



1610 days ago
1162.

shirliana    

FIRST OF ALL, I MUST SAY THAT MJ MOM CAN ONLY HANDLE THE KING OF POP 3 KIDS AT THIS POINT.



I LOVE JERMAINE ALOT, BUT HE HAS A HOME AND HIS WIFE SO AT THIS POINT, WHY IS JERMAINE AND WIFE HAVING ALL THESE KIDS AT MJ MOM'S HOUSE??? CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME THAT QUESTION???



MJ MOM IS NOT 30 - 40 YRS OLD - BUT LOOKS EXTREMELY GOOD FOR HER AGE, BUT LOSING HER SON SO SUDDEN, SHE CAN AS A GRANDMOTHER **** ONLY HANDLE **** MJ KIDS ******* BOTTOM LINE *********.



THIS STUNT GUN CAN ONLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS FOR THIS FAMILY AND SHE SURELY DOES NOT NEED TO HANDLE ALL THIS AT THIS TIME.



I AM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT JERMAINE'S KIDS NEEDS TO GO BACK TO *** THEIR OWN HOUSE ***.



MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL THE JACKSON FAMILY*****************

1610 days ago
1163.

Julia    

Let this poor woman ALONE, she's totally right the other children have mother and father, she didn't treat right Michael letting Joe
spanking him, now it's time to correct her mistake by his children. That house belongs to Michael and as his died it belongs to his children, so they can send away who they want to. NONE OF us has NOTHING to do with this.

1610 days ago
1164.

Chico    

A BREAK FROM THE MADNESS:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q



Probably been posted at TMZ before, but its the first time I've seen it. I usually HATE covers of MJ songs, but this one I LOVE. Always been a sucker for acapella. Damn, this is a great vid.

1610 days ago
1165.

sfsfdsg    

OMG! Jafaar looks JUST LIKE Prince, only black! LOOK AT THEM!!!

1610 days ago
1166.

J    

sfsfdsg,they look alike because they are cousins.

1610 days ago
1167.

Tellit    

1196. A BREAK FROM THE MADNESS:
Damn, this is a great vid.
Posted at 2:19 PM on May 5, 2010 by Chico
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WOW! thnx for posting this video Chico. Fantastic!
And....you're not the only one. I gave up reading the boards above in any depth....it's so sick! Just skimming for any comments of any real import! LOL...and can't find any!
Take care Chico.

1610 days ago
1168.

Cher    

RE: #1182,1183: Maybe someone threatened to kill Lopez's children if he didn't stop speaking against the will. BTW--Where is Tohme, AKA The Cleaner these days?
Also: More conspiracy info for anyone who wants to play catch up:



http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/trials/trials80.html



No Peace till Justice!
MICHAEL--IL.O.V.E.U4EVER!!!

1609 days ago
1169.

wmn2wmn    

Why aren't Randy's children living with their parents, and why is Jermaine's ex wife living with his Mother? I am familiar with Jermaine's older children, and I know for a fact that they lacked supervision. A bunch of spoiled brats, with no home training.

1608 days ago
1170.

tone    

1199. Why aren't Randy's children living with their parents, and why is Jermaine's ex wife living with his Mother? I am familiar with Jermaine's older children, and I know for a fact that they lacked supervision. A bunch of spoiled brats, with no home training.
Posted at 4:24 PM on May 7, 2010 by wmn2wmn
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Are you jealous?

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