CBS News Suspends Tweets Company-Wide ... Amid Twitter Uncertainty
CBS has started what could be a devastating ripple effect on Twitter ... hitting the pause button, indefinitely, on posting new tweets amid uncertainty under Elon Musk's stewardship.
The network's news division, CBS News, announced Friday it'd be suspending all Twitter activity from its official profiles as it continues to monitor things. CBS News says it's doing this out of an abundance of caution and in light of all the tumultuous updates.
CBS News confirms it's no longer posting updates on Twitter pic.twitter.com/HoKjOMsBtS
— BNO News Live (@BNODesk) November 19, 2022 @BNODesk
Word of CBS News' decision was first reported Friday during that night's broadcast of "CBS Evening News with Norah O'Donnell," during which reporter Jonathan Vigliotti seemingly announced the move on behalf of the entire company. CBS confirmed it shortly thereafter.
Vigliotti was reporting on the rumored chaos at the bird app's HQ ... where a majority of employees are said to have quit recently, leaving Twitter as a bare-bones operation and at risk of completely shutting down. That hasn't happened quite yet, but the fear is there.
A judge in Virginia has refused to quash a subpoena issued to Psaki seeking her deposition in a lawsuit filed by Missouri and Louisiana. https://t.co/DQR0YCoZK8
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 18, 2022 @CBSNews
CBS News's last original tweet links to a story about ex-WH Press Sec. Jen Psaki's failed effort to quash a subpoena she's been roped into. The account also retweeted a TV segment discussing the DOJ's new special counsel investigating Trump. Both of those were posted almost a full 24 hours ago, and CBS News hasn't tweeted anything new since.
Ditto for local affiliates, it seems. KPIX -- the Bay Area's CBS News arm -- hasn't tweeted anything since yesterday either ... and that policy seems to apply to most, if not all, of CBS's stations across the country. We should note, they're still posting stories to their home pages.
In light of the uncertainty around Twitter and out of an abundance of caution, CBS News Bay Area is pausing its activity on the social media site as we continue to monitor the platform.
— KPIX 5 (@KPIXtv) November 19, 2022 @KPIXtv
The reason this is a big deal -- assuming it carries on for an extended amount of time -- is because Twitter has become the go-to source for news ... not just for users, but for news organizations themselves. A lot of outlets rely on Twitter to get news out quickly, not to mention the traffic captured as one of the key social media sites and the wide reach it carries.
CBS News refusing to tweet is a major statement, and if it catches on among other big publishers ... it could make Twitter even less relevant, sparking a true mass exodus.
Just leaving Twitter HQ code review pic.twitter.com/pYcXRTJm14
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2022 @elonmusk
Meanwhile, Elon is still amusing himself with his by-the-people Trump Twitter poll ... and pulling together a new plan on code with whatever staff he has left. Good times, indeed.
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Raleigh Christmas Parade Out-Of-Control Truck Kills Dancer Stopped by Bystanders
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12:27 PM PT -- Multiple reports now confirm the girl who was hit by the runaway truck has died.
A truck that had malfunctioned during a parade route in North Carolina hit a young woman in a freak accident ... only to have been stopped in its tracks by a group of brave men.
This incident went down Saturday morning near downtown Raleigh, where the annual Christmas parade was being held. Around 10:25 AM ET, a lifted pickup truck that was pulling one of the floats failed to slow down as it was trailing a dance group full of young people.
A truck reportedly lost control at a christmas parade in Raleigh, North Carolina; one girl confirmed injured.pic.twitter.com/2LM2glOHOP
— Dredre babb (@DredreBabb) November 19, 2022 @DredreBabb
The driver was reportedly blasting his horn and shouting at people to clear the lane, as he had lost control of the vehicle and couldn't stop. It seems the brakes may have failed.
Videos of the truck wading through is absolutely terrifying, as no one seems to know what's going on or if it's part of the parade or not. It definitely wasn't ... and the truck rolled on and began picking up speed. Some of the dancers were reportedly as young as 5 years old.
BREAKING: #BNNUS Reports
— Gurbaksh Singh Chahal (@gchahal) November 19, 2022 @gchahal
When a truck lost control and collided with someone during the Raleigh Christmas Parade, at least one person was injured.
Multiple witnesses stated that the white truck transporting the CC & Co. Dance float lost control. pic.twitter.com/vYKwaDlK9H
Reports say the truck started to hit a downhill area just after the intersection of Hillsborough Street and Boylan Ave. -- and after the crowd realized what was happening ... cops and other bystanders sprung into action, running in front of the truck and pushing back on it.
About 6 men, including 2 cops, halted the truck to a standstill ... at which point the driver was able to exit. Some damage had already been done though -- at least one girl, who was with the dance troupe, was struck and hospitalized. The extent of her injuries are unknown.
The rest of the parade was canceled and an investigation is underway.
Originally Published -- 10:19 AM PT
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Shanquella Robinson Dad Says Cabo Death is No Accident ... Claims Attack Was a Set Up
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Shanquella Robinson's mysterious death in Mexico smells like a set up to her father ... he tells TMZ he believes his daughter was attacked as part of a diabolical plan.
Shanquella, who was from North Carolina, was found dead last month in her room in Los Cabos ... where she was vacationing with a group of friends. Her parents say the friends told them the 25-year-old died of alcohol poisoning.
However, her parents now say Mexican authorities have told them Shanquella died from blunt force trauma to her neck and spine -- and a brutal new video does indeed show a woman beating up Shanquella while she was naked in a room.
Her dad, Bernard Robinson, was very emotional as he told TMZ ... his daughter was not the fighting type, so she would never get into a physical altercation, leading him to theorize this was a planned attack.
At the very least, the video supports Bernard's point about his daughter's temperament -- Shanquella was not fighting back during the assault. He says it all feels like a set up to him, because her friends back home would never have let this happen.
He suspects her attackers left her body in the hotel room for a housekeeper to find.
The video is hard for anyone to watch, but that's especially so for Bernard ... who said it hurts to know others were in the room idly watching as his only child was attacked. He hopes those responsible are arrested and sentenced to life in prison.
Her autopsy report does not mention alcohol, and Mexican authorities, as well as the FBI, are now investigating her death as a homicide.
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Taylor Swift Pissed At Ticketmaster After Eras Tour Ticket Fiasco
Taylor Swift is sorry for her fans who feel they were screwed by Ticketmaster in trying to score tickets for her tour ... blasting the company for failing to deliver on its promise for a smooth rollout.
The singer just broke her silence on the concert ticket disaster, with a lengthy statement on her Instagram Story where she's royally pissed at Ticketmaster ... echoing the same feelings from her legions of fans.
Taylor says she's extremely protective of her fans and adds, "It's really difficult for me to trust an outside entity with these relationships and loyalties, and excruciating for me to just watch mistakes happen with no recourse."
TS also says, "There are a multitude of reasons why people had such a hard time trying to get tickets and I’m trying to figure out how this situation can be improved moving forward."
She's pretty pissed at Ticketmaster, explaining ... "I'm not going to make excuses for anyone because we asked them, multiple times, if they could handle this kind of demand and we were assured they could. It's truly amazing that 2.4 million people got tickets, but it really pisses me off that a lot of them feel like they went through several bear attacks to get them."
As we reported, there were tons of issues and delays with the Ticketmaster presale, and the ticket giant even canceled the public sale, and now the resale market is seeing sky-high price tags.
Taylor ends with a message to the fans who didn't get lucky enough to score tickets ... saying, "My hope is to provide more opportunities for us to all get together and sing these songs. Thank you for wanting to be there. You have no idea how much that means."
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Taylor Swift Resale Seats Hit $20K+!!! After Ticketmaster Cancels Tour's Public On-Sale
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Taylor Swift fans lucky enough to get their hands on presale tickets could cash in for tens of thousands of dollars now -- the resale market is absolutely exploding in the wake of Ticketmaster canceling the public sale.
We've checked out seat maps on StubHub in some of the biggest cities Taylor will hit next year on her Eras tour, and the pricing is insane. Mind you, Taylor's doing multiple shows in each city -- so, the following astronomical costs are PER ticket for Saturday shows (typically the most popular) in each city.
Fans hoping to score tickets for Taylor's SoFi Stadium in L.A. show will fork over a minimum of $400, and that's behind the stage ... while the most expensive seat is currently listed at $4,549.
You can score some nosebleeds for $765 at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, or shell out $11,475 for the floor.
However, those prices pale in comparison to the $22,500 you'll pay to see Taylor from the front row at Gillette Stadium in suburban Boston, and the "cheap" seats are $675. There's also Soldier Field in Chicago, where you can sit in the nosebleeds for $800 and land a floor seat for around $5,000.
Ticketmaster in Shambles After Taylor Swift Concert Purchase Chaos
As we reported, Swifties spiraled this week after Ticketmaster seemingly botched the presale -- causing millions of fans to wait online for several hours to secure seats to Taylor's first tour in years. Turns out they're the lucky ones.
Far more fans got zippo, and will now have to pay through the nose. Honestly, they'll be the ones singing "Look what you made me do" ... to Ticketmaster!!!
Things got so bad, Ticketmaster announced Thursday the general public on-sale, scheduled for Friday, was canceled "due to extraordinarily high demands on ticketing systems and insufficient remaining ticket inventory to meet that demand."
What's more ... the attorney general in Tennessee announced Wednesday he'll be investigating the ticketing giant for possible antitrust law violations.
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Elon Musk Twitter Hit an All-Time High!!! As #RIPTwitter Trends
Elon Musk will tell ya the reports of Twitter's death are greatly exaggerated -- in fact, although news spread quickly the app's on the verge of shutdown, Elon says it had one of its best days ever.
Thursday night, while #RIPTwitter became the number 1 trending topic in the U.S., the Chief Twit himself tweeted, "We just hit another all-time high in Twitter usage lol ... let that sink in."
That tweet came after hundreds of his employees reportedly quit ... following his demands for people within the company to work "long hours at high intensity" or get booted.
The deadline for jumping ship or staying aboard was reportedly Thursday at 5 PM ... and it looks like a good amount were fine with saying goodbye.
The reported mass jump prompted millions of tweeters to take it as a sign of the end for the bird app ... although the surge to which Elon referred might have a lot to do with people using the "dead" platform to talk about its death.
Pretty damn meta (not you, Zuckerberg).
FYI -- a pretty cold projection popped up on the company's HQ in San Fran Thursday night, during this "all-time high" ... calling Elon a slew of names that just gets more and more brutal.
New slogan idea for Twitter: Death becomes us!
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Taylor Swift Fans Outraged Ticketmaster Cancels Public On-Sale for Eras Tour
The Swifties are currently raging -- Ticketmaster just canceled the public on-sale for tickets to Taylor Swift's Eras Tour -- just a couple days after a disastrous presale process.
In a statement Thursday, Ticketmaster said, "Due to extraordinarily high demands on ticketing systems and insufficient remaining ticket inventory to meet that demand, tomorrow's public on-sale for Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour has been cancelled."
Due to extraordinarily high demands on ticketing systems and insufficient remaining ticket inventory to meet that demand, tomorrow's public on-sale for Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour has been cancelled.
— Ticketmaster (@Ticketmaster) November 17, 2022 @Ticketmaster
As you can imagine, Taylor's fans were NOT happy ... one wrote, "They’re saying CANCELLED!!!!! Not postponed. Not rescheduled. CANCELLED. @taylorswift13 better finally address this situation. It’s gone too far."
Another raged, "YOU HAVE BEEN SELLING TICKETS ONLINE FOR YEARS AND ARE A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY AND YOU’RE TELLING ME YOU STILL CAN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN A FUNCTIONING WEBSITE AND GET TICKETS INTO THE HANDS OF FANS THERE’S SO MANY WHO STILL DON’T HAVE TICKETS"
So ya, Ticketmaster is rightfully taking a lot of heat right now.
As we reported, fans waited hours and shelled out hundreds -- sometimes thousands -- of dollars to get their hands on tickets. While some were lucky, many others weren't, coming up empty despite having a presale code.
On Wednesday, Tennessee's Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti announced he'd investigate Ticketmaster for antitrust violations.
For their part, Ticketmaster said there was a historically unprecedented demand for the tickets.
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Roslyn Singleton Dead At 39 Appeared On 'AGT,' 'Ellen'
Roslyn Singleton, known for her appearances on "America's Got Talent" and "The Ellen Degeneres Show," has died ... following her battle with brain cancer.
Roslyn recently "earned her wings," according to her husband Ray, who confirmed she passed on Wednesday. He says she died "peacefully sleeping right at home where she wanted to be."
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Ray adds, "This road ahead is going to be INCREDIBLY long & difficult! She taught us all SOMETHING…She’s where we’re all trying to get one day so no need to be sad! Now we celebrate her legacy, her impact, her story & HER SPIRIT!"
Roslyn first hit viral stardom about 2 years ago ... after Ray uploaded a clip of himself singing to her before she went into surgery for her brain cancer.
She went on to appear on Ellen's show in 2020 -- telling the talk show host she's been fighting cancer since 2013, and was in remission for 6 years before another brain tumor was discovered.
Ray went on to audition for 'AGT' the next year ... bringing the audience to tears when Roslyn joined him on stage to tell their story. She told the judges she had "never heard [Ray] sing so good."
Roslyn and Ray were featured in the docuseries, "Black Love" earlier this year -- which further highlighted their story as a couple.
Roslyn is survived by her husband, Ray.
She was 39.
RIP.
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Ticketmaster Clears Up Swift Concert Chaos ... Hang In There!!!
Ticketmaster is in shambles over fans trying to snag Taylor Swift tickets -- and the company's message to frustrated customers is ... bear with us!
The singer's Eras concert is all the rage, and it shows after Ticketmaster's site experienced all kinds of issues Tuesday as folks tried to get their hands on presale passes ... which kinda broke their page, leaving tons of would-be buyers in limbo.
Swifties were up in arms, and Ticketmaster heard all the outrage ... because they issued a statement to calm the waters. Right off the bat, they note there's unprecedented demand for tickets and those who are still in the queue to buy should remain there to the end.
TM says they're still pushing through all the orders they have, but it's just taking time ... ensuring anyone in line will get attended to eventually.
Those on the West Coast, however -- who had their own window today to snatch up tickets at 10 AM PT -- were bumped out to later in the day ... 3 PM PT. There's also another sale window through Capital One that's being rescheduled entirely ... for tomorrow at 2 PM.
Despite all the chaos, Ticketmaster says all presale codes sent out will still work, even now.
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100-Year-Old Man Happy Bday Dad, Enjoy the Strippers!!!
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A father in Texas has a daughter who truly loves him ... because she took him to see some strippers to celebrate a century on Earth.
Gioacchino "Jack" Poma recently celebrated 100 trips around the Sun, and to mark the special occasion, his daughter Dina took her dad to a Dallas gentlemen's club, The Lodge.
Jack's daughter says her father loves two things in life ... women generally and boobs specifically ... so a strip joint made perfect sense for his 100th bday.
Dina says her father hadn't been to a strip club since his youth ... and when he showed up to The Lodge Halloween night, he was like a kid in a candy store.
The dancers were awestruck Jack's daughter would take him to the club ... but she says her dad only gets one life, so he should enjoy it while he can.
Sounds like it was a two-way street ... we're told the dancers adored Jack, with one feeding him pepper pasta as others brought out the birthday cake.
It's hilarious ... Dina was guiding her father around the dancers, cautioning Jack gets a little out of hand when he's excited.
Jack deserved the night out ... his wife died 12 years ago, and he had been seeing another woman ever since, but last year she died as well.
The folks who own the club tell us Jack's welcome back anytime ... they loved hosting his birthday bash!
Daughters, take notes.
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Elon Musk Beams Into Business Conference ... Immersed In Darkness and Burning Candles
The life of Elon Musk is so strange ... even he is perplexed by it, and obviously amused!!
Twitter's new honcho beamed into the B20 business conference in Indonesia Monday ... and was engulfed in darkness and surrounded by burning candles.
Musk was asked about his $44 billion purchase of Twitter and how he's managing it all with Tesla and his other companies.
The world's richest man was shockingly transparent ... "I have too much work on my plate -- that is for sure. I am really working the absolute most amount that I can work from morning 'til night, 7 days a week ... this is not something I recommend, frankly."
Then things really got weird. During a long pause, Musk began looking around and smiling, seemingly baffled. "I don't know what else to say ... but it is um ... and I just look at this video and it's so bizarre."
Musk began laughing hysterically, ending with ... "I'm sitting in the dark surrounded by candles ... it's so bizarre."
As we reported ... Musk has been trying to get his bearings at Twitter ever since he acquired the company in late October. He fired thousands of employees to offset major losses caused by a downturn in ad sales, or so he says. Musk has also seen a flood of fake accounts appear on the social media platform -- which was exactly what he was attempting to stop.
Even more worrisome, President Biden has said Musk's foreign business ties should be investigated to make sure everything is on the up and up.
Now that's no laughing matter, Elon!!
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Jamie Foxx on Takeoff, Ye Out With the Bad Already Let's Bring Back the Good Times, Guys!!!
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Jamie Foxx apparently misses the 2000s, when things were simpler and when he was rolling in the good times ... a stark contrast to what he says is the overall climate right now.
We got the A-lister Friday as he was leaving lunch in Bev Hills, and asked about Takeoff's murder -- over which he sent condolences ... but it also launched him into a train of thought about what he considers a massive cloud of negativity that's hovering above Hollywood.
Jamie suggests there's a general heaviness among his celebrity pals these days -- especially rappers, it seems -- that's leading to some dark moments and tragedies ... which he says could be avoided if everyone just went back to having fun again like they used to.
He talks about making records and partying it up ... implying that camaraderie and light-heartedness are long gone in 2022 among his music industry peers. Instead, we're seeing more killings than ever ... not to mention more controversies than ever, a la Kanye West.
JF tells us he'll never speak ill of his brothers -- Kanye included, with whom he's made a handful of hits over the years -- but does say he thinks the solution to all the rancor and handwringing that seems to consume everyone lately is a little more focus on positivity and less attention on the ugly side of things ... particularly when it comes to the media.
While Jamie is right about the world changing since the aughts, his desire to roll back the clock is probably a pipe dream. With the advent of social media/tech, Trump-fueled politics and huge societal shifts in attitude about what's acceptable and not ... something tells us we're never going back. With that said, his sentiment is certainly appealing and nostalgic.
In the meantime, he's a throwback to those peak Jamie Foxx days. If only, if only ...
One last thing ... Jamie and his buddy here were plugging the hell out of this new project he's EP'ing called "Million Dollar Wheels." It's on Discovery+ and now, on TNT too.
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YouTuber David Dobrik New Pizza Place Draws Campers ... Huge Line for Opening!!!
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Black Friday came early for David Dobrik -- but it wasn't flat screen TVs that had people camping out for the guy ... it was nothing but Chicago-style pies!!!
The famous YouTuber -- known for his viral pranks among his friends -- has had this in the oven for a while ... a pizza restaurant called Doughbrik's Pizza that's done in the style of his native city, although it doesn't look like there's any deep dish options on the menu.
Anyhoo, the hype was real for his grand opening (Saturday) because folks were literally pitching tents and sleeping bags outside as early as 3 AM -- hoping to be first in when doors opened some 10 hours later. Check out the line for this thing too ... it's long as hell.
As you can see ... it looks to be mostly Gen-Zers out here, which is DB's target audience. But the fact these people literally stood in line for hours speaks volumes to how popular he is ... despite some scandals he's been linked to in recent years. Dave's rep holds up regardless.
The Sunset Blvd. crowd only grew larger in the afternoon, and at 1:20 PM ... the grub started to get served, with David himself coming out to greet his fans. They were clearly stoked.
As for what exactly he's offering (and for how much) ... 2 styles of pizza with a thin, square cut and another with a more doughy crust. Most toppings are available -- including a meat lovers and veggie option. Slices are $4.50 to $6.50 and whole pies range from $19 to $38.
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There's also ice cream available for purchase. Plus, the joint's pretty IG worthy and open late!
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Wings Over Dallas Airshow Goes Wrong ... 2 Planes Collide Midair, Crash
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7:56 AM PT -- 11/13 -- The Dallas County Medical Examiner has confirmed that all 6 crew members died in the mid-air plane collision.
1:32 PM PT -- Air Force officials tell TMZ ... there were 6 people total affected by the crash, although their status remains unclear at this point. 5 crew members were on the B-17, and one was on P-63.
An apparent tragedy is unfolding in Dallas, where two planes collided while in the air and then hit the earth in a fiery crash ... this amid a performance for Veterans Day weekend.
The horrific incident unfolded Saturday around 11:30 AM PT outside of the Dallas Executive Airport, where a WWII-themed airshow was being put on for the public ... Wings Over Dallas. It looks they were flying aircraft from back then ... single-engine bombers and the like.
OMG - two planes collided at ‘Wings Over Dallas’ air show today
— James T. Yoder (@JamesYoder) November 12, 2022 @JamesYoder
This is crazy
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The FAA says the planes in question were a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and a Bell P-63. As the B-17 (the larger aircraft) is heading toward the airport, the smaller P-63 seems to come out of nowhere and clips the back of it ... which sends both of them plummeting.
Tons of people were filming this moment, BTW, and you can hear their utter shock when the two planes collide and start going down. They're even more freaked out when they each hit the ground and fireballs explode in the air. Almost immediately, you can also hear sirens.
NOW - B-17 bomber and a smaller plane collide at Dallas airshow.pic.twitter.com/BmJgnxBnrb
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) November 12, 2022 @disclosetv
There are several angles all over the internet -- it looks like the larger plane was split in half on impact. This was happening relatively close to a crowd of people too ... who were watching from the outskirts of the airport. A man came on the intercom and tried keeping everyone calm, telling them to remain in place and refrain from too much cell phone activity.
It's unclear for now how many people were onboard each plane, or what sort of injuries were sustained. We know first responders are on the scene, and the area's been roped off.
Mid-air collision involving a B-17 bomber and a smaller plane at Dallas airshow. No word on injuries - WFAA pic.twitter.com/5WYVi4mVYe
— BNO News Live (@BNODesk) November 12, 2022 @BNODesk
We're reaching out to officials in Dallas to get an update on the status of things. An investigation by the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board is underway.
Originally Published -- 12:48 PM PT
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Police Bodycam Footage Assault Suspect Pushes Child To Ground... During Wild Daycare Center Break-In
A violent offender fleeing from police shoved a child to the floor after he broke into an Ohio daycare center ... and the wild foot chase was all caught on video.
Lamar Mitchell was driving in the city of Warren when a patrolman recognized him as a suspect wanted for a felony assault and tried to pull him over.
But, Mitchell sped away to elude capture ... but he didn't get far because he plowed into a nearby vehicle.
Luckily, no one was injured in the accident ... Mitchell took off on foot with officers running in hot pursuit.
That's when cops fired up their body cameras and captured the dramatic events released by the Warren Police Department.
In the bodycam footage, one officer is seen dashing after Mitchell while pulling out his taser.
Mitchell forced his way inside the daycare and then spun around, simulating a gun by pointing his finger at the cop.
Still, the officer pursues Mitchell down a corridor and into a room filled with kids.
Mitchell hurls into the playpen over a child, pushing him headfirst to the ground.
A daycare worker scoops up the toddler -- who thankfully wasn't hurt -- and rushes off to safety as other kids are heard crying. Officers handcuffed Mitchell and took him away.
Mitchell was charged with the prior felony assault as well as aggravated burglary and menacing. He's currently being held on $250K bail.
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Owl Found in Car What?? I Bought It at Gas Station!!! Says Driver Busted for DUI
An Arizona driver sure doesn't seem to give a hoot -- cops say they found an owl in his passenger seat when they pulled him over for a DUI in Arizona ... and that's not even the strangest part of the story!
Payson PD says they found the little copilot early Thursday morning when officers performed the traffic stop. As they approached the vehicle they immediately noticed the bird of prey riding shotgun.
Here's the weirder part ... cops say the driver told them he bought the owl at a local gas station!!! The convenience stores really DO have it all.
Well, now it's not just a bizarre mystery -- it's potentially a crime. Payson police say it's illegal to transport, possess, buy or sell wildlife in the state unless expressly permitted under Arizona law.
The owl was reportedly picked up by the AZ Game and Fish Department after the discovery, but was apparently unable to be released back into the wild -- due to minor injuries.
As for the driver, cops say he was arrested for aggravated DUI, possession of methamphetamine and possession of wildlife.
If you've ever wanted to know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a jail cell ... sounds like this guy might find out!!