Sophie Turner Joe Is Illegally Keeping Our kids in NYC ... Cites Child Abduction Law
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Sophie Turner is at war with Joe Jonas over their 2 kids ... she says Joe is unlawfully keeping their children in New York City and she wants them "returned" to England with her.
Sophie says in April, 2023, the family made England their "permanent home," and regularly discussed their desire to raise the kids in the UK, and for the kids to attend school there.
She says they felt England was a safe place to raise kids, and they were both down with the plan. She had a lengthy passage in her legal docs, outlining all of the activities in which the kids have engaged in England.
She says "with some hesitation," she and Joe agreed the kids would stay with Joe while the Jonas Bros toured the U.S., because she was busy shooting a "very intense," time-consuming series.
Sophie says the agreement was that in September, when she finished filming, she would return to New York, to "collect the children and return home to England."
This past Sunday, Sophie and Joe met to talk about their separation, and she reiterated her desire to take the kids to England that week. Joe was in possession of the kids' passports, and "refused to return the passports to the Mother and refuses to send the children home to England with the Mother."
The Messenger was first to report the lawsuit.
Based on Joe's alleged refusal, she filed these legal docs in federal court, citing the Hague Convention -- an international treaty -- which deals with child abduction across country lines.
She's asking for a court order demanding that Joe produce the passports and return the kids to her.
Don't forget, we reported that the 2 sold their Miami home last month, BTW ... and were planning on moving to England, beginning their search for a spot overseas last December -- touring a couple of spots, too.
Sophie argues they've been living in the UK for 5 months now, and even sold the Miami home the month before he filed.
BTW ... Sophie gets into why they split. She says they had an argument on August 15 and Joe filed for divorce Sept. 1. She found out September 5 through the media. She adds they had both agreed the kids would follow her to England in Sept., but on Sept. 19 Joe's attorney contacted her people and said the kids would not be returning to England.
We reached out to Joe's camp ... so far, no word back.
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SOPHIE TURNER "JOE RETIENE ILEGALMENTE A NUESTRaS HIJaS EN New York"
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Sophie Turner está en guerra con Joe Jonas sobre sus 2 hijas. Ella dice que Joe mantiene ilegalmente a sus niñas en la ciudad de Nueva York y ella quiere que "regresen" a Inglaterra con ella.
Sophie dice que en abril de 2023 la familia hizo de Inglaterra su "hogar permanente" y discutió regularmente su deseo de criar a las niñas en el Reino Unido para que puedan asistir a la escuela allí.
Ella dice que sentían que Inglaterra era un lugar seguro para criarlas y ambos estaban de acuerdo con el plan. Ella tenía un largo pasaje en sus documentos legales, describiendo todas las actividades en las que las niñas han participado en Inglaterra.
Dice que "con algunas dudas" ella y Joe acordaron que las niñas se quedarían con Joe mientras los Jonas Bros hacían una gira por EE.UU., porque ella estaba ocupada rodando una serie "muy intensa" que le llevaba mucho tiempo.
Sophie dice que el acuerdo era que en septiembre, cuando terminara de rodar, volvería a Nueva York para "recoger a las niñas y regresar a casa en Inglaterra."
El pasado domingo, Sophie y Joe se reunieron para hablar de su separación y ella reiteró su deseo de llevarse a las niñas a Inglaterra esa semana. Joe estaba en posesión de los pasaportes de las pequeñas y "se negó a devolverle los pasaportes de las chicas a la Madre y se niega a enviarlas a Inglaterra también".
The Messenger fue el primero en informar de la demanda.
Basándose en la supuesta negativa de Joe, ella presentó estos documentos legales en el tribunal federal citando la Convención de La Haya (un tratado internacional), que se ocupa de la sustracción de menores a través de las fronteras de los países.
Ella está pidiendo una orden judicial exigiendo que Joe haga los pasaportes y le devuelva a las niñas.
No olvidemos que la pareja vendió su casa de Miami el mes pasado y estaban planeando mudarse a Inglaterra, comenzando su búsqueda de un lugar en el extranjero en diciembre pasado.
Sophie argumenta que han estado viviendo en el Reino Unido desde hace 5 meses, e incluso vendió la casa de Miami el mes antes de que él presentó.
Sophie entra en por qué se separaron. Dice que tuvieron una discusión el 15 de agosto y Joe pidió el divorcio el 1 de septiembre. Ella se enteró el 5 de septiembre a través de los medios de comunicación. Añade que ambos habían acordado que las niñas la seguirían a Inglaterra en septiembre pero el 19 de ese mes el abogado de Joe se puso en contacto con su gente y dijo que las niñas no volverán.
Fat Joe Back-to-School Donation in BX!!! $100K in Kids' Clothes
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Fat Joe is bringing back-to-school cheer to his Bronx hometown by donating over $100,000 worth of brand-new clothes to more than 600 students!!!
TMZ Hip Hop got this video of Joe surprising high school students Thursday morning at The Eagle Academy for Young Men ... giving them a pep talk straight from the heart of his life experience!!!
Joe told the kids he could relate to their lives, having grown up right around the corner and told them he knew their journey wasn't easy.
We're told Joe and his team from UpNYC personally handed out bags of new clothing ... including sweatsuits, tracksuits, t-shirts, shorts and sneakers.
The BX-bred rapper had a busy morning.
In addition to Eagle Academy, the team also visited middle schoolers at I.S. 219 New Venture School and elementary students at P.S. 146 Edward Collins ... Joe's childhood alma mater.
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The future leaders from the BX weren't the only ones benefitting from Santa Joe this week. Former President Bill Clinton was blessed with a rare pair of the Terror Squad Air Force 1s ... and his facial expression says he loved them.
Making back-to-school season feel cool for kids is no easy feat. Great job, Joe!
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Atlanta Braves Fan Snags HR Ball ... While Holding A Baby!!!
The best play in Wednesday's Braves game wasn't made by Ronald Acuna Jr. or Matt Olson ... no, a fan in the stands nabbed that honor when he impressively caught a home run ball -- while holding a baby!!
The wild scene played out in the second inning of Atlanta's tilt with Philadelphia at Truist Park ... when Phillies star Nick Castellanos smashed a ball 432 feet to dead center field.
Okay Casty, we see you 🫡#RingTheBell pic.twitter.com/8GbyQvMw0t
— Philadelphia Phillies (@Phillies) September 20, 2023 @Phillies
As the ball cleared the wall, a Braves fan holding his child in one arm decided to make an attempt at pulling the souvenir in. And, as it turns out, the guy had some great hands ... 'cause he caught it -- without even remotely bothering his kid!!
Then, he showed off his arm too ... chucking the ball back onto the field in support of his hometown team.
A Braves fan catches Nick Castellanos' home run while holding his child, puts her down, and throws it back. pic.twitter.com/f8wrI8an6H
— Baseball GIFs (@gifs_baseball) September 20, 2023 @gifs_baseball
The play was so impressive ... even the game's broadcasters had to highlight it while live on-air.
The afternoon at the park, though, didn't come with the happiest of endings for the Braves fan or his team ... the Phils won, 6-5.
But, what a memory nonetheless!
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Guess Who This Gardening Girl Turned Into!
Before this cute girl with bangs "dug her key into the side of a pretty little souped-up four-wheel drive," she was just diggin' in the dirt and getting her hands dirty in the garden, singing at her local church and growing up in Checotah, Oklahoma.
Aside from this girl dressed in green evolving into an "American Idol" queen, she has since taken home 8 Grammys and is the face (and voice) of Sunday Night Football! Some hot music stars she's collaborated with include Miranda Lambert and Brad Paisley.
Need one more hint? "Before He Cheats!"
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¡Adivina quién! ¿en quén se ha convertido esta jardinera?
Antes de que esta guapa chica con flequillo se dedicara a cantar, pasaba sus días cavando en la tierra, ensuciandose las manos en el jardín, cantando en su iglesia local y a crecer en Checotah, Oklahoma.
Además de convertirse en la reina de "American Idol", esta chica vestida de verde se ha llevado a casa 8 Grammys y es la cara (y la voz) del Sunday Night Football. Algunas de las estrellas musicales con las que ha colaborado son Miranda Lambert y Brad Paisley.
Tristan Thompson Gets Temporary Guardianship of Little Brother After Mom's Sudden Death
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Tristan Thompson has been granted temporary guardianship over his little brother after he was left unable to care for himself following the sudden death of his mother.
A court hearing Wednesday determined the NBA player will now act as guardian to 17-year-old Amari. In the end, Tristan's petition for temporary guardianship was granted ... and a hearing on permanent guardianship was scheduled for November.
Tristan wasn't present in court during the hearing, but his attorney spoke on his behalf via Zoom.
TMZ broke the story ... Tristan filed for this a couple weeks ago, and the result today was expected. Nobody was contesting it, including Amari's father -- who Tristan says has been absent from his life.
Amari's dad, Trevor Douglas Thompson, did not receive notice of Wednesday's proceeding because his whereabouts are apparently unknown. Tristan's side claims Trevor has no involvement in Amari's life.
Now that Tristan has been given the green light to take responsibility for Amari, the issue of conservatorship is also on the table as he approaches 18. Amari cannot take care of himself, as he faces mental and physical disabilities, so Tristan is stepping in.
TMZ broke the story -- Tristan's mother, Andrea, died suddenly earlier this year -- which is why Tristan is making the moves to protect his brother. Amari has already been introduced to the KarJenners -- and Tristan will presumably continue to have their support through this.
The last thing that was touched on was money left behind in Andrea's probate estate -- which amounts to about $103k. It's not available for disbursement yet, but Tristan is going to oversee that cash for Amari as well.
As we reported, several of the Kardahian family members flew to Toronto at a moment's notice to be by Tristan's side during Andrea's funeral.
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Kevin Costner Su divorcio fue una montaña rusa Con un final muy abrupto!!!
Kevin Costner y su próximamente ex esposa, Christine Baumgautner, parecían destinados a pelear por su divorcio durante meses. Pero todo llegó a su fin el martes.... lo que hace aún más interesante, y sorprendente, mirar para atrás y ver cómo fue que llegaron aquí.
Empezando el camino desde el principio, tenemos que remontarnos a mayo, cuando Christine presentó por primera vez los papeles para poner fin a su matrimonio. La ruptura tenía todos los indicios de ser fea, empezando por el hecho de que su decisión de divorciarse de Kevin salió aparentemente de la nada ... y que lo sorprendió por completo.
Lo que siguió en los futuros cinco meses, puede calificarse como uno de los divorcios de celebridades más desagradables en la memoria reciente. Esto, a pesar del hecho de que había un acuerdo prenupcial firmando de antemano.
Desde el principio, Christine había indicado que pretendía impugnar la validez del acuerdo prenupcial, partiendo por el hecho de que puso resistencias incluso para salir de su casa, algo que era un requisito predeterminado si se divorciaban alguna vez.
Después de un montón de idas y venidas por ambos lados, Christine finalmente reculó y se fue al carajo, pero esperó a que casi se cumpliera la fecha límite a finales de julio para hacerlo. Tienen que tener en cuenta que Kevin le había dado más de un millón de dólares para conseguir su propio lugar, según lo que él ha dicho.
Además del drama de la vivienda, se añadió todo el desagradable asunto de la manutención de los hijos, que había sido impugnada por Christine desde el principio. Recordemos que en un comienzo, ella le pidió a un juez que le exigiera pagar a Kevin la suculenta suma de 248.000 dólares al mes para mantener a sus tres hijos adolescentes.
Kevin, por supuesto, se burló de eso e insistió en que el número realista probablemente estaba más cercano a los $63k al mes. Y aunque por poco tuvo que soltar $129k mensuales... finalmente un juez se puso de su lado en el asunto, y dictaminó que $63k era en realidad un monto adecuado para mantener a los niños.
En medio de todo este lío y las desaveniencias de dinero, los Costners se fueron de vacaciones -dos veces, en realidad- y sus hijos pudieron disfrutar de sus respectivos viajes con papá y mamá. Christine los llevó a Hawái durante una semana, mientras que Kevin voló a Aspen para compartir de un viaje rápido.
En agosto, volvieron a la mesa de los abogados, para acalarar si Christine "entendía" o no el acuerdo prenupcial que firmó hace mucho tiempo, algo que ella y sus abogados argumentaron que podría no haber sido totalmente claro para ella.
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Kevin y Christine se presentaron vestidos de punta en blanco para la ocasión, y lo hicieron nuevamente ante un tribunal oficial para discutir detenidamente algunos puntos adicionales. Ambos se subieron al estrado para aclarar una serie de cosas, incluyendo los asuntos de dinero, losrumores de nuevas parejas y más.
Al final, un juez se puso del lado de Kevin en esto también y dijo que el acuerdo prenupcial era claro, y ordenaba a Christine a pagar un poco más de $14k para litigar este detalle minúsculo. Christine, a continuación, se volvió y dijo que no estaba siendo quisquillosa, sino que preventivamente estaba pidiendo más dinero a Kevin para cubrir los honorarios anticipados de sus abogados (más de $ 885k), sobre la manutención conyugal.
Esta fue la última ofensiva hace apenas unos días atrás, y no parecía haber un final cercano hasta que en un movimiento sorpresa, Christine y Kevin decidieron bajar sus armas.
Como informamos, ambos llegaron a un acuerdo, cuyos términos se mantienen en privado por ahora. Si parecía que Christine estaba dando tumbo tras tumbo en la corte, hoy podría haberse anotado una pequeña victoria después de todo. De acuerdo a nuestras fuentes, se fue con más dinero de lo que se le debía en virtud de los términos originales de su acuerdo prenupcial. Y así es como termina todo...
Este episodio será recordado por largo tiempo ... y sin duda vale la pena sumergirse en sus altos y bajos para apreciar el cuadro completo. ¿Alguien dijo montaña rusa?
Kevin Costner Divorce Was a Roller Coaster ... With Very Abrupt Ending!!!
Kevin Costner and Christine Baumgartner seemed destined to fight out their divorce for months to come in court -- but now that anger-fueled ride's come to a screeching halt with their settlement ... which makes this look-back at how they got here all the more eye-popping.
Going all the way back to early May -- when CB first filed to end their marriage -- this uncoupling had all the markings of being ugly, starting with the fact her decision to divorce Kevin completely blindsided him.
What proceeded over the next 5 months amounted to one of the nastiest celeb divorces in recent memory ... despite the fact they had a prenup in place.
Pretty much from the jump, Christine indicated she had plans to challenge the validity of the prenup -- starting with the fact she put up a fight about moving out of their house ... even though the prenup required her to get out if she were to divorce him.
After A LOT of back and forth in court and a judge's ruling ... Christine did move out by the court-ordered deadline in late July. Keep in mind, Kevin said he'd already given her over a million bucks to get her own pad.
In addition to the housing drama ... there was the acrimonious issue of child support, which had been challenged by Christine since the beginning. At first, she'd asked a judge to make Kevin pay a whopping $248,000/month to support their 3 teenage kids.
Kevin, of course, scoffed at that ... insisting the realistic number was probably closer to $63k/mo. -- and while he had to cough up $129k/mo as an interim amount, the judge ultimately sided with him on this matter, ruling the $63k was enough to sustain the children.
Amid all this mudslinging and money talk, the Costners went on vacation -- 2 different ones, actually ... and their kiddos got to enjoy respective trips with Mom and Dad. Christine took them to Hawaii for a week, and then KC flew them out to Aspen for some QT.
Come August, it was back to the lawyers' table ... with both Kevin and Christine sitting for a deposition to settle the issue of whether Christine "understood" the prenup she signed way back before their 2004 wedding ... something she and her lawyers argued might not have been totally clear to her.
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Kevin and Christine showed up dressed to the nines for that depo ... and then testified all over again in court to hash out more points, including money, rumored partners and more.
In the end, a judge sided with Kevin on this as well -- saying the prenup was clear, and ordered Christine to pay a little more than $14k to cover Kevin's attorney fees for litigating this minute detail.
Christine then signaled she wasn't done nitpicking ... asking for more cash from Kevin to cover her attorney fees, which she estimated at $885k.
That was the latest barb just a few days ago ... and there appeared to be no end in sight. Then, just this week, Christine and Kevin buried the hatchet in a surprise move.
As we reported ... they settled, the terms of which are being kept private for now. While Christine seemed to be taking L after L in court, it sounds like she might've clocked a small win in the end -- as our sources tell us she walked away with more dough than what she was due under the original terms of their prenup.
And so, that's that. This was one for the ages, and certainly worth diving into to see all the highs and lows. Talk about a roller coaster, huh?
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Guess Who This Little Athlete Turned Into!
Before this young athlete with his hat backward turned into a professional footballer, he was just a casual star of his football, basketball and baseball teams in Cold Spring, Minnesota ... before heading off to the University of Minnesota.
While his main bread and butter may have come from his athletic skills, he's also no stranger to makin' a buck in Hollywood ... he was on a reality TV show, which documented him and his wifey navigating marriage and careers. Today, he's a father of 3 kids (and another one on the way)!
Need one more clue? Talk to Jessie!
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ADIVINA EN QUIÉN SE convirtió este pequeño atleta
Antes de que este joven atleta con la gorra hacia atrás se convirtiera en futbolista profesional, no era más que una estrella ocasional de sus equipos de fútbol, baloncesto y béisbol en Cold Spring, Minnesota, antes de ir a la Universidad de Minnesota.
Aunque su principal fuente de ingresos sean sus habilidades atléticas, tampoco le es ajeno ganarse la vida en Hollywood. Participó en un programa de telerrealidad en el que él y su mujer compartían su matrimonio y su vida profesional. Hoy es padre de tres hijos (y otro en camino).
¿Necesitas una pista más? Habla con Jessie.
Rep. Lauren Boebert Nixed from Youth Event Speakers List ... After Theater Groping
Rep. Lauren Boebert isn't holy anymore in the eyes of an organization focused on conservative youths -- 'cause she's been booted from their official speakers list.
The Colorado congresswoman was initially part of the guest lineup that was set to appear and speak later this month at the Texas Youth Summit just outside of Houston -- where people between the ages of 12 and 26 are invited to lean into their right-wing views.
Boebert was supposed to appear alongside Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Charlie Kirk and others. Now, however, it appears there's been a change of plans ... 'cause she's been scrubbed from all the marketing material that originally featured her -- pre-groping video going public.
There's been no official explanation from the org itself on why they nixed her -- but it seems pretty obvious after Boebert was found to be in a mutual fondling sesh last week.
What's also interesting is how they described when they first booked/publicized her gig with them. They said RLB was a "devout Christian who seeks to honor God in all that she does."
In light of everything that's come out since, though ... maybe not as godly as they thought.
Rep. Boebert has since apologized for the whole thing -- saying it was an error of judgment on her end, on pretty much all fronts. Congress hasn't formally reprimanded her just yet.
Cover your eyes, children!
We covered it all on the latest episode of The TMZ Podcast, available on all podcast platforms.
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LAUREN BOEBERT FUERA LISTA DE ORADORES DE LA CUMBRE DE LA JUVENTUD Tras incidente del teatro
La congresista Lauren Boebert ya no es santa a los ojos de una organización centrada en los jóvenes conservadores, ya que ha sido expulsada de su lista oficial de oradores.
La congresista de Colorado formaba parte inicialmente de la lista de invitados que iban a aparecer y hablar a finales de este mes en la Cumbre Juvenil de Texas a las afueras de Houston, donde se invita a personas de entre 12 y 26 años a inclinarse por sus puntos de vista de derechas.
Se suponía que Boebert iba a aparecer junto a Donald Trump Jr, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Charlie Kirk y otros. Sin embargo, ha habido un cambio de planes, porque ella ha sido borrada de todo el material de marketing que originalmente la presentaba antes de que se hiciera público el vídeo del manoseo.
La propia organización no ha dado ninguna explicación oficial sobre por qué la han eliminado pero parece bastante obvio después de que se descubriera a Boebert acariciándose mutuamente la semana pasada.
Lo que también es interesante es cómo describieron la primera vez que la contrataron y le dieron publicidad. Dijeron que RLB era una "devota cristiana que busca honrar a Dios en todo lo que hace".
Parece que se olvidaron los mandamientos por un momento.
Desde entonces, la diputada Boebert se ha disculpado por todo el asunto, diciendo que fue un error de juicio por su parte, en casi todos los frentes. El Congreso aún no la ha reprendido formalmente.
Niños, tápense los ojos.
Shaq Barrett Dedicates Pick-Six To Late Daughter ... Who Died After Drowning
Shaq Barrett's first career touchdown was an emotional one ... as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebacker dedicated the moment to his daughter who drowned earlier this year.
The two-time Pro Bowler helped secure the Bucs' victory over the Chicago Bears on Sunday ... when he intercepted Justin Fields' pass and reached the end zone en route to the 27-17 win.
After the win, Barrett said his 2-year-old daughter's passing has inspired him to push even harder this season ... and he paid tribute to her as he spoke with reporters.
"I always played for my family already, but then having, like, that extra incentive and making me want to go a little harder for her, it never stops," the 30-year-old said during the post-game press conference.
Shaq Barrett pick-six! Huge play for the @Buccaneers
— NFL (@NFL) September 17, 2023 @NFL
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"It's always going to suck but at least I’m able to shine some spotlight on her a little bit."
Barrett added he believed the moment was "divine intervention" ... and that God has something in store for his family.
"He just setting us up for something. Can't say better because I don't know what can be better than having my baby girl here but he is setting us up for something that we need."
"I'm just ready for it. I'm waiting for it and I'ma believe in his plan for sure."
As we previously reported, Barrett's daughter, Arrayah, drowned in their backyard pool on April 30. Since the tragedy, the family has installed devices around the home to prevent another accident ... and launched a foundation in her name that will educate parents on water safety.
Barrett and his wife, Jordanna -- who have three children with another on the way -- also paid tribute to Arrayah by getting tattoos this offseason.
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THOMAS MARKLE "MEGHAN Y HARRY SON CRUELES" No me dejan ver a mis nietos
El padre de Meghan Markle dice que su hija y su marido, el príncipe Harry, son directamente crueles por dejarlo fuera de la vida de sus nietos.
Thomas Markle dio a conocer sus quejas el lunes en "Good Morning Britain", diciendo a los anfitriones que está desconsolado porque su hija y su yerno le han negado el acceso a los 2 niños, Archie de 3 años y Lilibet de 2 años.
Thomas dijo: "Yo también estoy muy disgustado porque negarle el derecho a ver a su nieto es algo cruel para hacerle a un abuelo".
El hombre de 79 años dijo: "Además no he hecho nada malo. No hay nada que apunte a decir que soy un mal tipo. Soy un padre muy cariñoso y ella lo sabe, y no hay excusa para tratarme así ... no hay excusa para tratar así a los abuelos".
Markle señaló que hay una ley en California que permite a los abuelos obtener una orden judicial que obligue a los padres a dejarles visitar a sus nietos, pero dice que no seguirá ese camino, al menos por ahora.
Como informamos, la ruptura entre Meghan y su padre estalló en 2018 durante el período previo a la boda real, cuando Thomas hizo tratos con los paparazzi.
Thomas dice que él y el rey Carlos tienen la misma difícil situación, ambos no pueden ver a sus nietos, aunque no está claro si la puerta está cerrada con Charles.
Y cree que Harry sólo está siguiendo el ejemplo de Meghan. No parece que el hielo se esté descongelando, ni siquiera un poco.
Thomas Markle Meghan and Harry are 'Cruel' ... They Won't Let Me See My Grandkids
Meghan Markle's dad says his daughter and her hubby, Prince Harry, are straight-up cruel for shutting him out of his grandchildren's lives.
Thomas Markle aired his grievances Monday on "Good Morning Britain," telling the hosts he's heartbroken his daughter and son-in-law have denied him access to the 2 kids, 3-year-old Archie and 2-year-old Lilibet.
Thomas said, "I’m very upset about it as well because this is a cruel thing to do to a grandparent ... to deny the right to see their grandchild."
The 79-year-old groused, "The other thing is I’ve done nothing wrong. There’s nothing that points to say I’m a bad guy. I’m a really loving father and she knows that, and there’s no excuse for treating me this way ... no excuse to treat grandparents that way."
Markle noted there's a law in California that allows grandparents to get a court order forcing parents to let them visit with their grandkids, but he says he won't go down that road ... at least for now.
As we reported, the rift between Meghan and her dad erupted in 2018, during the run-up to the royal wedding, when Thomas made deals with the paparazzi.
Thomas says he and King Charles have the same plight ... both are not able to see their grandkids, although it's unclear if the door is shut with Charles.
And, he thinks Harry is just following Meghan's lead. It does not look like the ice is thawing ... even a little bit.